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Title: Ann Greaves
Post by: Kirwan on Saturday 27 June 09 23:07 BST (UK)

Am looking for confirmation of the death of Ann Greaves originally from Bakewell on 11th July 1866 aged 89 at Leavenshulme, Manchester and was possibly buried at St Johns Church, Longsight, Manchester.
Thanks Kirwan

Title: Re: Ann Greaves
Post by: CaroleW on Saturday 27 June 09 23:30 BST (UK)

Similar message posted on Derbyshire board

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,389412.msg2609854.html#msg2609854

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Am looking for information regarding Ann Greaves who I've read took over as landlady of the Rutland Inn, Bakewell.  When and where was she born, married and died. suggestion is that she was born as Ann Summers either in chelmsford or swanwich (derbyshire) 1778, married first a Mr Hudson (?in Matlock) and then a Mr Greaves and died either in Bakwell 1855 or Manchester 1866.

Title: Re: Ann Greaves
Post by: groom on Saturday 27 June 09 23:32 BST (UK)

HI

Only Ann Greaves July quarter 1866 on BMD is Ann Greaves 88 Chorlton 8C 338  - is this her?

Jan

Title: Re: Ann Greaves
Post by: CaroleW on Saturday 27 June 09 23:47 BST (UK)

1851 census for Bakewell

Ann Greaves 73  innkeeper widow - no birthplace shown
Alex Balmarris 20  g/son b United States
Charles Hudson 15  g/son b London
Emily Bradley 22  g/dtr b London
plus a lot of servants and some visitors

The address is not the Rutland Arms but I think it was situated in Rutland Place - it's the something Arms which only has 4 letters
HO107 Piece 2149 Folio 22 Page 8

 

Title: Re: Ann Greaves
Post by: Kirwan on Sunday 28 June 09 00:15 BST (UK)

Thanks Jan, but I don't think its the same person.  Kirwan

Title: Re: Ann Greaves
Post by: Kirwan on Sunday 28 June 09 00:20 BST (UK)

Thank you Carole, that's her, looks as if her grandson by her first marriage was there as well. If the information I have is correct then she would not have been on the 1861 census for Bakewell but should have been on the 1861 census for the kirkmanshulme district of Manchester, possibly living alone or with her daughter Ann Bradley. The latter would support the view she did not die in Bakewell in 1855 but lived on till 1866 dying near Manchester

Kirwan

Title: Re: Ann Greaves
Post by: CaroleW on Sunday 28 June 09 00:38 BST (UK)

Another unhelpful census entry

1861 for  Kirkmanshulme and Newton Lancs

Stockport Rd - Lodge View

Ann Greaves widow 83 b Swannwick Derbyshire - no occupation shown and she is living alone although she is erroneously shown as a member of the adjoining household who were a brother & sister surname Whittaker
RG9 Piece 2968 Folio 16 Page 32

Title: Re: Ann Greaves
Post by: Kirwan on Sunday 28 June 09 00:51 BST (UK)

Brilliant!  Thanks so much.  This appears to be the one I'm looking for.  Dates tie up and also the fact that she was born in Swannwick, Derbyshire.

Forgive my ignorance, what does the RG9 Piece 2968 Folio 16 Page 32 stand for?  Is this information available on the internet or do you have to pay for a subscription to a website, if so which?

Again thanks, this was the lady who 'invented' the Bakewell Pudding!

Kirwan

Title: Re: Ann Greaves
Post by: CaroleW on Sunday 28 June 09 00:53 BST (UK)

The RG9 etc is the census reference for tracing purposes.

You need an Ancestry or FindMyPast subscription to search all except the 1881 census

Title: Re: Ann Greaves
Post by: Kirwan on Sunday 28 June 09 01:00 BST (UK)

Thanks, much appreciated. Kirwan

Title: Re: Ann Greaves
Post by: Kirwan on Sunday 28 June 09 08:43 BST (UK)

sorry, I thought of one final question.  The 1851 census doesn't give a place of birth for Ann Greaves, does the 1841 census for Bakewell give a place of birth for her?  regards.  Kirwan

Title: Re: Ann Greaves
Post by: CaroleW on Sunday 28 June 09 12:55 BST (UK)

Hi

The 1841 does not show birthplaces - just a Y or N against the entry to indicate whether they were born in the county in which they were living at the time of the census

Title: Re: Ann Greaves
Post by: Kirwan on Sunday 28 June 09 12:57 BST (UK)

Thank you, I presume there was a Y for Anne.
Kirwan

Title: Re: Ann Greaves
Post by: CaroleW on Sunday 28 June 09 12:58 BST (UK)

Yes - there was

Title: Re: Ann Greaves
Post by: Kirwan on Sunday 28 June 09 13:12 BST (UK)

Great. Thank you so much for all your help. Kirwan

Title: Re: Ann Greaves
Post by: Bakewell on Wednesday 12 August 09 13:32 BST (UK)

Just found this site.  Very interested in all the chat about my great-great-great-grandmother Ann Greaves.  Been researching the whole family for many years.  Get in touch if you need more about her.
Bakewell

Title: Re: Ann Greaves
Post by: Kirwan on Wednesday 12 August 09 14:04 BST (UK)

Thanks for this.  I bought Paul Hudson's book - ‘Ann Summers Creator of the World Famous Bakewell Pudding' which contains very useful information on Ann Greaves.  He too is Ann Greaves' great great great grandson.  Unless you and he are the same.  The book helped a lot in my research and corrected a number of previous inaccuracies regarding Ann Greaves, though I still have a number of questions which unfortunately the book didn't cover.
regards
Kirwan

Title: Re: Ann Greaves
Post by: Bakewell on Wednesday 12 August 09 14:41 BST (UK)

Are you too a relative of Ann Greaves?  Otherwise what is your interest in the grand old lady?
Regards
Bakewell

Title: Re: Ann Greaves
Post by: Kirwan on Wednesday 12 August 09 14:55 BST (UK)

No.  I'm writing a history of some of britains regional foods and am interested in Ann in connection with Bakewell Pudding.