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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Wales => Carmarthenshire => Topic started by: Charles IX on Saturday 27 June 09 20:55 BST (UK)
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I would like to find out about graveyards in Llanddeusant. A lot of my ancestors are from there but I have no idea which graveyard they were buried in or anything. So Im just looking for some info on any graveyards in that area. How do you find out where someone was buried? Because this family were a long line of farmer and they all died on one farm in Llanddeusant so Im assuming that they were all buried in the same place, the dates range from 1700's to 1917 (Im not getting my hopes up that Id find much info about the ones from the 1700's) Im rambling a bit now but like I said any info on graveyards in that area would be great, thanks.
Duke
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Hi Duke
What county are you interested in as I believe there are a few Llanddeusants ? If you G***le you may get some results.
Wendy ;)
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Hello Wendy, Im sorry I should have mentioned that im looking for Llanddeusant in Llandovery, Carmarthen. Ive tried G***le but I cant really make much sense of it, I was hoping that there'd be someone from the Llanddeusant area that would know.
Duke
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Hi,
Which of the Llanddeusant families are you interested in finding?
Mei
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Hi Duke :)
Genuki shows info about Llanddeusant Churches:
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/CMN/Llanddeusant/#ChurchRecords
I guess you are looking for members of the Charles family but which specific names and approximate dates of burial do you need?
Morgan
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I surveyed, printed & published the graveyards of LLandeusant in the 1990s=the Church & Twynllanan chapel yard.
Garfydd
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Hello everyone! Sorry its taken so long to get back...
Mei: Im looking into the Charles family mainly
Morgan: Since my first post I have found out for some strange reason only 1 person out of a large 4 generation family in this area is recorded in any records that I have seen is buried in Llanddeusant, his name was Morgan Charles b;- (1788 d;- 1873) I cannot find anyone else ??? I have got death certificates of many of the Charles family (including Morgan) and they all say that they die on the family farm which is near Gwydre farm/house, so I cant understand why only Morgan is recorded.... As I said in my 1st post I have family here going back to at least the very early 1700's and going all the way through to the early 1900's so they all should be buried around the same area. Here are just some of the names Id like to find out about:-
Charles Morgan d:-1770,
Morgan Charles d:- 1823,
Charles Morgan Charles d:- 1845,
Rachel Charles d:- 1917...
Garfydd: Would there be any chance I could have a look at your work? Id be very interested to see it. ::)
Regards
Charles
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will check my surveys for any Charles at Llanddeusant, off the top of my head I cannot recall any. I am very new at this Rootschat thing and am not very sure how it works, normally I use groundmail or emails
Garfydd
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I too am related to the Charleses of Llanddeusant. Your search for "Charles" graves in Llanddeusant may not be returning copious results because of the Welsh patronymic naming sytem. The earliest ancestor in the line whom I can trace is Morgan Charles of Llanddeusant (d.1770), via his son, Charles Morgan. You see, in this instance, Charles adopted his father's christian name - Morgan - as his surname. Very few generations before their time, we would have used the patronymic possessive "ap", meaning "son of", to convey belonging. E.g., Charles, son of Morgan, would have been Charles ap Morgan. It was very important for the son to be known through a pater familias from a long-established local family. It wasn't long before the start of the 17th C that the use of the conjunctive "ap" was abandoned, but the convention remained intact through adopting the father's first name as a 'surname'. (It was the English court system which arrogantly asserted that this system, too, should be done away with, although we doggedly persisted with it for generations in quiet defiance).
Morgan Charles had many children, although it would seem that your line retained the Charles name, which would suggest that it crystallised a little bit earlier with your ancestor. Many of the Charles clan stayed for generations in nearby areas such as Bethlehem and Gwynfe, and their graves will likely be found there.