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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Cheshire => Topic started by: Briannicus on Wednesday 24 June 09 19:08 BST (UK)
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Dear all,
This is a bit before your time but this site is so wonderful I always hope for something.
I'm trying to tie my GG grandmother, Sarah Fletcher, to the rest of the Fletcher clan of clockmakers in Chester, but so far no luck.
Below are her marriage details.
George Hunt to SARAH FLETCHER 10th September 1841 at Our Lady & St Nicholas, Liverpool. Reg No 176.
George HUNT, Joiner (full age widower) of Ashton Street. Son of John HUNT, Customs Officer.
married
SARAH FLETCHER (full age spinster) of Comus Street.
Daughter of JAMES FLETCHER, Clock & Watchmaker [Jan 14 1787 - Oct 24 1834, 'pool] and Frances Taylor [Jun 5 1787, Chester - March 18 1840, L'pool]
Witnesses - John HUNT & Frances FLETCHER.
We also know that James Fletcher's father was also James Fletcher and that he was a cordwainer.
I actually have a Fletcher gedcom of some 177 people but can't attach the above information to it despite there being may overlaps so am hoping someone out there in genealogy land can help.
Thanks in anticipation,
Brian
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Hi
I take it that you have the marriage of James and Frances 23/5/1808 in Holy Trinity.
My family were cordwainers about that time in Chester and I remember seeing James Fletchers name.
I will have a root to see what I can remember.
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Just remembered a bit more.
The link is in the Freemen of Chester it might be news to you or not but both were Freeman.
Fletcher James Chester Cordwainer 1784 April 16 Indenture (apprenticeship)
Fletcher James Chester Clockmaker 1811 March 6 Birth
I have a funny feeling he was app to my cordwainer but will have to dig up old records to find out.
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Dear Tommy-tipper
I didn't have the marriage date or place of James Fletcher to Frances Taylor so thank you for that.
What is your connection to the family? They seem to have many apprenticeships within the family. Cousin to cousin or uncle to nephew, I'm not sure.
The freemen of Chester story seems to go back centuries.
If you would like me to send you the gedcom, I'm happy to, so just send a private message and I'll let you have my email.
Brian
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Hi
James was app to James Fletcher cordwainer
I am researching the Morris's and have come to a wall in 1754 sh but after trawling all the records you start to recognize names within that era in Chester lol.
If you require anything else I do have a collection now of records from Chester that may hold a clue,I dare say there are more knowledgable people on here than me tho.
Good luck
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Hi,
I take it you mean that James Snr. [Cordwainer 1784 April 16 Indenture (apprenticeship)] was apprenticed to another James Fletcher. Is that right?
I am checking because it is possible that James Jnr. whom we have as a clockmaker, didn't actually get into the business until later in life, depending on which piece of (mis)information one believes.
Thanks,
Brian
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Sorry I seem to have taken you far back when after reading your original post you were looking for the clockmaker link.
James the clockmaker was son of James cordwainer.
James the cordwainer was apprentice to James Fletcher cordwainer (possibly his father)
If James was born in 1787 he was a clockmaker by 1811 so not too old.
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Hi
Thanks.
That's ok. It get's confusing - meaning I get confused because I'm also dealing with information coming it about another branch entirely!! - when you have the same name over generations.
However, you have also told me something I didn't know: sons could have formal apprenticeships with their fathers, and that James was apprenticed to a James.
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On this tree that I have (found in the College of Arms, London) there is only one James Fletcher, and it says:
Cordwainer and Freeman, City of Chester [this James polled at the General Election in 1784. bapt. 21 November 1708 at Holy Trinity, Chester. m. 29 December 1730 at St. Oswald's, Chester. Buried 3 April 1794 at Holy Trinity, Chester, aged 84
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Nov 21st 1708 James son of Robert Fletcher
I make the burial April 3rd 1791 James Fletcher aged 84yrs (decay of nature)
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This Robert Fletcher bapt. Apr 16 1781 H. Trinity m. Elizabeth Stuard Oct 23 1707 died. 1719.
Their son, James m. Mary Dennil date below.
They had another Robert Fletcher bapt Sep 12 1731 St. Oswald's. 1788. Started as cordwainer but is probably the father of the father and son clockmakers both called Robert.
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Sorry that should be 1681
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Work back from what you know you could be on wrong tree,
In answer to the Robert.
Robert son of John Fletcher Bap 17th April 1681
There is a Lawrance Fletcher Baptising around them years too.
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I am posting the below in case anyone else googles this family.
This what we now know about our Fletchers:
James Fletcher, Cordwainer was apprenticed to a James Fletcher, possibly his father (who was possibly the James Fletcher who married Mary Dennil),
James Snr. was Freeman of the city of Chester 1784 April 16 Indenture (apprenticeship). He was father of
James Fletcher, clockmaker (Jan 14 1787 - Oct 24 1834) (So possibly brother of the first of the well-known Robert Fletchers, clockmakers of Chester, whose mother was Mary Dennil).
He m Frances Taylor (Jun 5 1787, Chester - Mar 18 1840, L'pool) on May 2 1808 at Holy Trinity Church, Chester.
They had
William. b. Feb 21 1809
Frances Elizabeth b. Apr 22 1811 d. Apr. 8 1812
Eleanor b. Apr 21 1813
Maria Francis b. May 25 1814 m. Joseph Duley Apil 21 1841
Mary b. March 17 1815 d. May 1816
Sarah b. Jul 9 1816 d. Aug 27 1888 Kingsleigh, Freshfield, Formy, Lancashire, Married George Hunt 10th September 1841 at St. Nicholas' L'pool
Francis b. Jan 29 1820
Eliza b. Apr 19 1821
James b. Dec 24 1822
Edward Taylor b. Nov 30 1824, Manchester d. May 3 1826, buried in Salford.
Joseph Taylor b. Sep 28 1826 d. Feb 20 1893 bur. L'pool. Founder of JT Fletcher & Co., the shipping line
Elizabeth Mary b. Oct 2 1828
... and then they invented television!!
Regards,
Brian
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William Fletcher born 1809, first child of James Fletcher & Frances Taylor is I believe my 3xGreat grandfather. He was a watchmaker by profession.
I would be very interested in having a look at the gedcom you have with regards to the family and exchanging information.
Regards
Barb
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Hi distant cousin Barb,
Nice to hear from you.
I have William as born Feb 21 1809 and baptised March 23 1809. James and Frances were married 23 May 1808 at Holy Trinity, Chester.
Private me with your email address and we'll get in touch and I can send you the gedcom.
Look forward to hearing from you
Brian
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Hi Brian,
Unable to send pm with my e-mail details to you as I think you have to make 3 or more posts before that option is available. Maybe you could pm me instead ?
Yes I have marriage for James & Frances, witnesses being James Fletcher Snr, James Cliff, Ann Pope & Hugh Prince.
Barb
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Just adding to my total for postings.
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Just found this thread. sorry havent got any posts yet so cant pm you. will post a few of these so that i can.
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and another.
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I am a great great grandson of Joseph Taylor Fletcher, via Lawrence Fletcher and Lawrence Gordon Fletcher. I am in possession of a family tree which goes back to 1270 and I am also in contact with a member of the Hunt family who is very high in genealogical circles.
At the present a member of the Hunt Family is in the process of building a Fletcher family tree with the intention of making it available only to any one who features on it.
For that reason it would be good to make contact, but I am a novice in the use of this site, so am not sure where to go from here.
I am told that you can pm me so I hope that you will.
Pere David
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My husband is a great, great, great grandson of James Francis Fletcher, via James Francis Fletcher and Edward Taylor Fletcher. This son of James and Frances emigrated to Australia in 1852. It is very difficult to source British records from Australia so any help would be appreciated.
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According to my family tree James Fletcher born 1787 married Frances Taylor in 1808 and died in 1834.
They had 4 sons and 8 daughters. Edward taylor Fletcher died in infancy, but James Fletcher born 1822 emigrated to Australia.He had Thomas Moore Fletcher and two other sons of which we have no details.
Thomas Fletcher had Joseph Fletcher who was known to be living in Ballarat in 1927 and he had a son Gordon living in Melbourne in 1927.
This is al the information I have on the Australian connection, but if anything matches please come back to me as I have a lot of infomation about the Fletchers in general.
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What a strange coincidence, David, or is it just that it's Sunday morning? I was putting the information that arrived from Penny this morning into our gedcom when this arrived. Believe you already have it via William. You can always message me privately
Brian
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I have only just discovered your discussion regarding the Fletchers of Chester. I have had considerable trouble with this family for lack of information. My 4 x greatgrandparents were Joseph Fletcher and Mary French. Joseph (1784-1843) was the minister of the Independant chapel, Stepney and lived at Cottage Grove, Mile End.
Today I received a copy of the admon. doc. from Chester Record Office of his father, Robert's estate, confirming that he was a silversmith of Chester, who died 22 Oct 1841 in Romsey, Hants. I assume that this must be the same Robert who was the elder of the two well known clockmakers of Chester, although the only other reference to his family that I have so far found was to his daughter Mary, who published a volume of poetry in 1846 with Joseph.
It seems, from your corresponence, that Robert might have been the son of James Fletcher (Cordwainer) who married Mary Dennil (?), and that he was the son of Robert (bap. 1681) & Elizabeth Stuard (d.1719).
This is a big leap forward in my information on the family and I would be most interested to see your extensive Fletcher tree; and also to know if you are able to supply the name of Robert the elder's wife.
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I have Joseph Fletcher born 1784 at Chester. Congregational minister of Blackburn and then Stepney. DD of Glasgow University. Married Mary France and had one son Joseph born 1816 at Blackburn and died 1875 at Christchurch Hants.
I have Robert Fletcher born c. 1755, died c. 1837. Born at Eastgate Chester. Goldsmith and a noted non-conformist.He was one of three sons of Robert Fletcher b. 1730 d. 1788, a noted maker of long case clocks.
His three sons were Robert b. 1755, John b. 1763 a printer and newspaper proprietor, sheriff 1813, mayor 1825. (no traceable male issue) and James b. 1757 d. 1837. He had a son James whence my line developed.
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Hello Pere David.
Yet another cousin seems to have appeared on the scene related to the Fletchers of Chester. I believe that the Robert referred to by you as the Goldsmith and non-comformist of Chester, is the same as the Robert who died in Romsey in 1841 and who, it seems, married Eleanor Grainley in 1756, and was the father of, amongst others, Joseph the Independant/Congregational minister in Blackburn and Stepney, London.
I am learning new facts about this family daily.