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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Devon => Topic started by: peggysuey on Monday 22 June 09 20:42 BST (UK)

Title: Richard and Elizabeth BOWYDEN
Post by: peggysuey on Monday 22 June 09 20:42 BST (UK)
Where  can i find imformation on Richard1771 -1780 and Elizabeth Bowyden 1775-1861. Kennard. Son Johnb-1809 in Loddiswell . Wife Mary . Think she died and john remarried a Elizabeth?. These are there sons George,James,William,fredick,Noah,  Richard ,Robert1857-Robert came to America and 2 sons went to Austrail Please I need help. I have been searching for a long timeRobert was my Grandmother  Father-in-law. I believe there were Blacksmith.  Thank you Peggy fannin
Title: Re: Richard and Elizabeth BOWYDEN
Post by: DOB7 on Tuesday 23 June 09 01:33 BST (UK)
Please can you re-post? I've tried to make sense of what you have stated, and tried to look up records, but none of this makes sense. Please try to be more specific and accurate with dates, and I'll see what I can find.
Title: Re: Richard and Elizabeth BOWYDEN Kennard
Post by: peggysuey on Tuesday 23 June 09 17:26 BST (UK)
I am trying to find Richard Kennard and his Wife, Elizabeth Bowyden Richard kennardwas born 1771-178.0Elizabeth 1775-1861.Had a son John1831 I think he was married twice Mary?  and  then Lizabeth .There were fron Loddiswell [Parish records]John children were George,William, Fredick,Richard,  Robert1854-1931.Robert came to America at the age of 17.Robert married Leah Goodman fron loddiswelln kingbridge, Devonshire England  b-1845-1915 .2 brothers of Robert went to newzealandThere are so many Kennards and it sis hard to find any imformation Hopes this help.  Peggy
Title: Re: Richard and Elizabeth BOWYDEN Kennard
Post by: peggysuey on Tuesday 23 June 09 17:28 BST (UK)
I am trying to find Richard Kennard and his Wife, Elizabeth Bowyden Richard kennard was born 1771-178.0Elizabeth 1775-1861.Had a son John1831 I think he was married twice Mary?  and  then Lizabeth .There were fron Loddiswell [Parish records]John children were George,William, Fredick,Richard,  Robert1854-1931.Robert came to America at the age of 17.Robert married Leah Goodman fron loddiswelln kingbridge, Devonshire England  b-1845-1915 .2 brothers of Robert went to newzealandThere are so many Kennards and it sis hard to find any imformation Hopes this help.  Peggy
Title: Re: Richard and Elizabeth KENNARD
Post by: DOB7 on Tuesday 23 June 09 17:46 BST (UK)
Aha! This makes much more sense - I was looking for a Richard BOWDEN, not KENNARD.  :)
I think you'll find that Elizabeth's name was probably BOWDEN, not BOWYDEN.
The 1841 census for Loddiswell is indexed at     
http://homepages/ihug.co.nz/~our4bears/L~DD41.htm
and you can ask for free look-ups from the parish registers at
http://homepages/ihug.co.nz/~our4bears/L~DDI.htm 
Hope this helps.
Title: Re: Richard and Elizabeth BOWYDEN
Post by: trish1120 on Wednesday 24 June 09 17:05 BST (UK)
Hi peggysuey,

You hit the jackpot ;D to get you started;

1851 Census
72 Village
Loddiswell, Devon                      HO107/1876/147/19

John KENNARD, head, mar,41, Master Smith
Elizabeth, wife, mar, 36
George, son, 15, smith
James, son, 13
William, son, 6
Richard, son, 4
Frederick, son, 2
Noah, 0mths
Richard KENNARD, 73, Father, mar, Smith
Elizabeth, 73 , Mother, mar, wife

All born Loddiswell


Trish
Title: Re: Richard and Elizabeth BOWYDEN
Post by: trish1120 on Wednesday 24 June 09 17:15 BST (UK)
1841 Census;
Loddiswell , Devon         HO107/247/13/Loddiswell

John, 35, Smith
Elizabeth,30
George, 6
James, 3
Robert, 1
All born in county

Marriage;
John KENNARD
Elizabeth HARVEY
03 December 1833, Stoke Damerel, Devon

Trish
Title: Re: Richard and Elizabeth BOWYDEN
Post by: trish1120 on Wednesday 24 June 09 17:36 BST (UK)
Ok there was another John Kennard having children at this time in Loddiswell. His wife was Mary Ann LIGHT.
They had a Robert born 1843.

The censuses I posted have Robert on 1841 census but not on 1851.  I cant find him 1851, he could have died.

Do you have your Roberts marriage cert? and where did he marry Leah GOODMAN? I cant find marriage in England for them.

Off to bed,
trish
Title: Re: Richard and Elizabeth BOWYDEN
Post by: DOB7 on Wednesday 24 June 09 18:05 BST (UK)
The only Leah GOODMAN  I can find is:
HO107/1876 Folio 9, Page 10
Wodden House, Kingsbridge, Devon
William GOODMAN Head Marr 38 Ag Lab b. Chivelstone, DEV
Eliza GOODMAN Wife Marr 29 b. South Pool, DEV
Leah GOODMAN Dau 9 Scholar b. West Alvington, DEV
Elizabeth GOODMAN    Dau 11 b. Kingsbridge, DEV
Thomas SOUTHWOOD Neph 2   b. West Alvington, DEV
A marriage is shown in Plymouth in 1866 for a Leah GOODMAN, but not to a Robert KENNARD.   
The 1861 census shows a John KENNARD born 1799, Loddiswell, Blacksmith, married to a Mary ANn b. 1801, children: James 22 & Robert 18, both Smiths, all living in Loddiswell.
The same family is also shown in 1851, with children: John 19, Mary A. 15, James 12, Susan 10 and RObert 7.
So, as Trish rightly points out, there are 2 John KENNARD families. Which is yours?
Title: Re: Richard and Elizabeth BOWYDEN
Post by: peggysuey on Wednesday 24 June 09 20:32 BST (UK)
Thank You for all the imformation. Trish seems to have the right imformation. I tried to get a free search and they were to send me a e-mail. It somehow ended in my sent mail and when i tried to get imformation . They said i used my free search.Does anyone know what brothers went to new zealand? Robert had a twin.!!!! I am told this.Now i f i knew when they all died and where they were buried and if they had children .Thank you so much for your help . I have searched for 10 years trying with no luck.. YOU ARE ALL GREAT.  PEGGY
Title: Re: Richard and Elizabeth BOWYDEN
Post by: peggysuey on Wednesday 24 June 09 20:33 BST (UK)
Thank You for all the imformation. Trish seems to have the right imformation. I tried to get a free search and they were to send me a e-mail. It somehow ended in my sent mail and when i tried to get imformation . They said i used my free search.Does anyone know what brothers went to new zealand? Robert had a twin.!!!! I am told this.Now if i knew when they all died and where they were buried and if they had children !!!.Thank you so much for your help . I have searched for 10 years trying with no luck.. YOU ARE ALL GREAT.  PEGGY
Title: Re: Richard and Elizabeth BOWYDEN
Post by: peggysuey on Wednesday 24 June 09 21:00 BST (UK)
Leah Goodman had a sister elizabeth. Who also married a kennard brother. Which one i don't know. They might have  stayed in England.  Maybe Leah married twice  Peggy
Title: Re: Richard and Elizabeth BOWYDEN
Post by: DOB7 on Wednesday 24 June 09 22:03 BST (UK)
Elizabeth GOODMAN married Richard KENNARD, Sept qtr 1869, Kingsbridge district vol 5b page 357.
The 1861 census shows that Leah was in Plymouth in service, so this adds up.
The possibilities for Leah to have married are Isaac EDWARDS or George DENBOW.
Title: Re: Richard and Elizabeth BOWYDEN
Post by: peggysuey on Thursday 25 June 09 04:45 BST (UK)
Thank you. Great job.    Peggy
Title: Re: Richard and Elizabeth BOWYDEN
Post by: peggysuey on Friday 26 June 09 19:24 BST (UK)
Just was wondering  why your census don't have birth dates like ours do?  Peggy
Title: Re: Richard and Elizabeth BOWYDEN
Post by: DOB7 on Friday 26 June 09 21:07 BST (UK)
Until July 1837, births were not registered. The only formal recording of an event was a baptism in Church. Many people weren't even certain of their exact birthdate as illiteracy was very high.
US censuses did not include birthdates in 1860, 1870 or 1880. I don't know about 1890, but 1900 gave the month and the year.
Title: Re: Richard and Elizabeth BOWYDEN
Post by: peggysuey on Saturday 27 June 09 04:08 BST (UK)
ok  Thank you Peggy
Title: Re: Richard and Elizabeth BOWYDEN
Post by: Shizara on Tuesday 18 June 13 14:10 BST (UK)
Trish seems to have the right imformation.

I might have missed this earlier, but I know someone called Trish that is very connected to the Kennard family.  I am trying to help NZ friends with their tree which includes Kennard from Devonshire I am looking at re-establishing contact with the lady concerned even if only to exclude any connection with the 2 families.

Currently I can take my friend's connection back to Robert Avery/Avory Kennard, baptised at Loddiswell, Devon and it would appear that he is the son of Robert and Mary Kennard.
Title: Re: Richard and Elizabeth BOWYDEN
Post by: trish1120 on Tuesday 18 June 13 18:26 BST (UK)
Hi Shizara,
Although I was born in New Zealand I have no connection to the Family at all.

Will look around for you tomorrow as its late here in Oz.
What year was Robert Jnr Baptised?

AH;
Robert Avery Kennard
England Deaths and Burials, 1538-1991   
birth:   1810   
residence:   Holborn
burial: 10 June 1861, St. Giles, Camberwell, Surrey, England

Census has him born Devonport, Devon?

Ist Wife Maria and second much younger a Mary.

Trish :)