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Beginners => Family History Beginners Board => Topic started by: samatk on Monday 22 June 09 20:13 BST (UK)
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am trying to nail down one Herbert Atkinson who, in 1895 married a Harriet Picken whilst they both lived in Denaby Main, Yorkshire. Got the marriage certificate in attempt to locate Herbert's dad. But the space for his dad is filled in by lines so he's probably illegitimate. I am now trying to trace his mum. in 1901 and 1911 census herbert states he was born in Barnsly, Yorks in either 1872 or 1873. There is a Herbert Atkinson born dec 1872 in barnsley found in the bmd records...not been able to find him in 1881 census yet...
so far have not been able to find him in 1891 either...
any ideas???
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did you check the Herbert Atkinson b abt 1870 son of John and Hannah 1881 Barnsley, Yorkshire, England
Piece: 4601; Folio: 4; Page: 1
Whats the Ref no for 1901?
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hi
had come across that one, yes, but if Herbert knew who his dad was, why didn't he put his name etc in the marriage certificate ? Re 1901 reference is...
Class: RG13; Piece: 4308; Folio: 106; Page: 46
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Found that Herbert again in 1871 Census aged 1
And as there is a Herbert b-1869 last q in Barnsley, I agree thats most likely not him.
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hmmm....so we know who Herbert ain't...now all we've got to do is find who he IS...argh....he's the great gt grandad of my husband....might have known the in-laws would cause me trouble! Any ideas ?
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Hi
He would be with his mother in 1881c age 9- and could be with her 1891c- age 19-reason maybe his mother did want him using the father name but after reaching adult age 21 used his fathers name.
All may come to fruit with his birth certificate you sent for. 1872
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On the marriage certificate, what were the names of the witnesses?
I note that the 1872 birth certificate has under the same reference both Herbert Amot and Herbert Atkinson listed.
In Barnsley, the surname Amot/Amott:
Herbert Amot, b. Dec 1872 Barnsley (aka Herbert Atkinson?)
Thomas Amott m. possibly Jane Atkinson, Mar 1874 Barnsley
Hannah Amot, b. 1874
Mary Ellen Amott, b. 1876
Thomas Amott, b. 1879
They then seem to have ended up in Doncaster district where marriages for Hannah, Mary Ellen, and Tom are found under the Amot(t) name.
In 1881 they are mistranscribed as Arnott and living in Worsbrough. There are both Atkinson and Arnott(Amott) children in the household; it appears that Jane was older, had been previously married, and Herbert may have been born after her first husband's death but before she married Thomas.
In 1871 Jane and children are with her husband Benjamin Atkinson. He died Sep 1871 quarter; i.e. he could not have been Herbert's father.
Benjamin Atkinson m. Jane Rodgers in 1862; in 1871 she also had with her a 13 year old son Fred Rodgers.
In 1861 they are listed as living together as husband and wife - several other Atkinson children (probably from another marriage of Benjamin's?), and "Alfred" Rodgers aged 2 are in the household, as is a son of Benjamin and Jane's, Paul.
So it appears that Jane either had a marriage before Benjamin or had an illegitimate child Alfred/Fred in about 1859, was living with Benjamin by 1861 (son Paul registered as Paul Atkinson Rodgers), married him the next year, he dies in 1871 and she soon is with Thomas Amott (the most likely candidate for Herbert's real father), then marries him and has a few more kids (they are together up until the 1911 census!).
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Hi Joe rose
Though it maybe the case.
Just hope the poster get notification? as some members have not had any sent lately.
Very good find..........
Dobby
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well I just got hold of a copy of Herbert's birth cert and it shows a Thomas Amot named as dad. well done JoRose!