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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Lancashire => Topic started by: FranBB on Sunday 21 June 09 22:19 BST (UK)
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Can anyone please help with my Palin search!!
I thought I had found a whole family but I don't think it's mine >:(
George Palin
William (bill)Herbert Palin 1898
Rosa or Rose Palin
Anthony Palin
William Herbert was my Great Grandfather, all of these people are definately my family but I can't find actual records for all of them with the parents.
I found a William Herbert W. Derby 1898 but I believe that he belongs to another family. Their William Herbert died in 1994 and mine died in the 1950's I think. My Grandma hated her father and the details are sketchy on him.
He married Eunice Evans in 1922.
I would love to find his parents names so I can go further back. I am off to the library to get some vouchers for some sites but wondered if anyone could help at all? Please...... ;D
Many thanks
Fran
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Hi Fran and welcome to Rootschat
This is your great grandfathers birth registration
Births September qtr 1898
William Herbert Palin West Derby 8b 631
A copy of his birth cert will give his parents names
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Could this be his sister
Births September qtr 1905
Rosa Annie Palin West Derby 8b 705
2 possibles for George
Births March qtr 1900
George Craven Palin West Derby 8b 686
Births Sep 1904
George PALIN West Derby 8b 272
Nothing for an Anthony Palin
Have you checked the 1911 census to see if the family are all together
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I have found him on the 1901 census
www.1901censusonline.com free index shows William H Palin b Wavertree aged 2
He has been indexed as William A Calin on Ancestry but image is Palin
William A Palin 26 electric tramcar conductor b Southport
Sarah E 23 b Buckley Flint
William H 2 b Wavertree
George C 1 b Wavertree
RG13 Piece 3505 Folio 34 Page 6
Births March qtr 1900
George Craven Palin West Derby 8b 686
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Here is his parents marriage http://freebmd.rootsweb.com
Marriages June qtr 1897
Sarah Ellen Dodd Chester 8a 755
William Anthony Palin Chester 8a 755
www.cheshirebmd.org.uk
Cheshire Marriage indexes for the years: 1896 to 1899
William A Palin toSarah E Dodd - Chester, Civil Marriage Registers at Cheshire West Ref ROC/37/6
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Hi Carole and thanks for the speedy reply!
I had found the transcript for this but I still dont know if this is him as the other families William Herbert was born in the same place ::)
I don't know the names of my G G G Granparents except that the mothers maiden name was Dodd. (But then so was the other families which made me think I had a eureka moment! )
My head hurts :D
I haven't looked at the census but I forgot to add Maud Palin too.
I did find a couple of them together with the parents listed as James Palin and mother ' Hannah' No surname. This was on the familysearch.org site?
But I can't for the life of me find a palin- dodd marriage in the whole of lancashire. Or a birth for a Hannah Dodd. I can find a James Palin marriage to a Hannah Sutcliffe but then my grandma would be wrong and she's a wise old Bird!
I feel like I am going round in circles :D
Thanks for your help again!
Fran
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Hi
I don't know the names of my G G G Granparents except that the mothers maiden name was Dodd. (But then so was the other families which made me think I had a eureka moment! )
My head hurts
I haven't looked at the census but I forgot to add Maud Palin too.
I did find a couple of them together with the parents listed as James Palin and mother ' Hannah' No surname. This was on the familysearch.org site?
But I can't for the life of me find a palin- dodd marriage in the whole of lancashire.
Have you read all my replies above - particularly the Palin/Dodd marriage details
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Oh my that was quick! Why didn't I find it on there!!! I've been looking all week........ ???
Have a couple more names to go on now, it still has no mention of Aunt Maud though.
These names are the same as the other ladies but her William Herbert isnt mine. Now I am really confused! :o
Fran.
She sent me this
William Anthony Palin & Sarah Ellen had three children:
1): William Herbert, b. 3 June1898 at Wavertree Parish,W.Derby, Liverpool, Lancashire, England.
-Christened 7 Aug.1898, St. Bridget, Wavertree, Lancashire, England. Died 14 Dec. 1994 at Seaforth, Ont. Canada.
- Data has not been researched regarding William Herbert's marital status.
- During World War 1, William Herbert served in the British Army as a Private. (iii)
-William emigrated to Canada when he was 28 years of age when he arrived on March 14th, in 1926 at the Port of St. John, New Brunswick. (ii)
- He lived to be 96 years of age, deceasing on December 14, 1994, at Seaforth, Ontario, Canada. (**)
So this is not my William Herbert! :-\ as he died in England....
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Ok - lets start with what we know is fact about him - his marriage to Eunice
Marriages June qtr 1922
Eunice Evans Hawarden 11b 417
William H Palin Hawarden 11b 417
You will need to buy a copy of his marriage cert to find his age and his fathers name and occupation. It should then be possible to find him on the 1901/1911 census with the right family
There is no other William Herbert Palin birth on freebmd in any other county apart from that 1898 one
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Yes I have that thank you :D
The other brothers and sisters I have of William Herbert were born before the marriage to Sarah Dodd in 1898 so maybe he was married before........... ahah!
LOL I am going to have to dig harder.
Thankyou so much again. :D
These tricky ancestors.......
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The other brothers and sisters I have of William Herbert were born before the marriage to Sarah Dodd in 1898 so maybe he was married before
There is only one feasible marriage between a Sarah Dodd and a Palin and that is the one I showed above.
If his mother was Sarah Dodd then his father must be William Anthony Palin. if he had a brother George as well then they must be the family I showed above on the 1901 census.
Rosa was born after 1901 and this could be "Maud"
Births Sep 1901
Lucy Maud Palin West Derby 8b 644
The only other Dodd/Palin marriage was in 1845 so is clearly not in the running
The 1901 census entry I showed above is the couple who married in 1897 and who are the parents of William Herbert
Yes I have that thank you
If you have a copy of the Evans/Palin 1922 marriage cert - who was William Herberts father on it and what was his occupation
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The 1911 census shows George Craven Palin and Lucy Maud Palin in Cheshire - not Lancashire
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Yes I have that thank you
If you have a copy of the Evans/Palin 1922 marriage cert - who was William Herberts father on it and what was his occupation
Oh no I meant I had the definate dates and place for that marriage, sorry! :-[
I dont actually know that Sarah Dodd is the mother, only that the maiden name was Dodd. I don't know the first names of either of the GGG Grandparents, so it's all a shot in the dark but it does sound like them.
Sorry for being dim, been a long day with my twins ;D and I found 21 'Laws' who are definately my family.
Thankyou, you are so much quicker than me at the mo. Am trying to find all four sets of G Grandparents families!
Fran
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The 1911 census shows George Craven Palin and Lucy Maud Palin in Cheshire - not Lancashire
Hawarden is only just over the border from Cheshire, so they may have been visiting family.
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Hi Fran,
I know your posting is a while ago but I just spotted it.
I'm building someone's tree, and discovered his grandmother was May Palin, born in Bootle in 1892, and the Palins are a very big family as far as I can tell.
I've got May's line back to a family in Northwich in Cheshire in the early 1800s, and there seems to have been a general move from Cheshire to the Liverpool area during that century.
I found them quite hard to track because there were so many, and it was hard to separate two different branches at one time.
Having looked at the people you are looking for it is a different branch, but if any of this crosses over with the family you are searching, let me know.
Maggie
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Hi Fran,
So now you have me confused as well. I have William Anthony Palin and Sarah Ellen in my family tree as well. I also was led to believe that William Herbert had died in Seaforth, Ontario as well.
But I can not find the proof to substantiate this. And now you say he died in England?
I would love to know what you have. My tree is a work in progress - please feel free to check it out and let me know if everything else agrees.
My tree can be found at http://palinfamily.tribalpages.com/
Thanks,
Susan
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I am still no closerto finding the right Palins ::) There were a huge amount of them and such a small area too that it's almost impossible. I am hoping that the marriage cert will help a bit.
I have found out that his parents had a sweet/paper shop in Hoole?Is that right? Am relying on my Grandmother for little bits of information!
Fran x
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I think that Rosa's birth certificate would be worth the investment. You know that she is YOUR relative, and it will give the right parents' names. Then you can decide which of these William Herberts to follow.
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I am still no closerto finding the right Palins ::) There were a huge amount of them and such a small area too that it's almost impossible. I am hoping that the marriage cert will help a bit.
I have found out that his parents had a sweet/paper shop in Hoole?Is that right? Am relying on my Grandmother for little bits of information!
Fran x
Hi Fran. Did you get my pm about the Palin family that I knew from the 1950s/60s who came to Salford from Liverpool? Was any of the info any good? x x
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Hi I have just replied to your message thank you. Sorry it took so long, we had a few additions to the house hold! ;D ;D
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FranBB
I think I can give you all the info you need, that is if you are still seaching.
palin chester
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Hello and thank you so much, I actually found the information I wanted and managed to piece together a substantial family tree.
There are a few members that I am a bit sketchy on though; If you have any info that doesn't include the huge Palin/Smythe family tree I would be very grateful.
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Hello Franb
My name is Ernest Anthony Palin from Chester Where my family have been since 1847, we are all freemen of the city, and william Craven was born in Aldford in 1799, corn merchants they moved to chester approx 1842, I will not bore you with full tree to present day but if you need more which includes.William/George/Maud/Rosa/Ernest, Please Contact me,as I am the last of this line
Kind Regards
Tony
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Hi Tony - We're actually 5th cousins. Your line is descended through William Palin (1758-1834), son of Thomas Palin (1714-1800). I'm descended through William's brother, John (1749-1833). Any information on your family would be greatly appreciated. If you haven't yet seen a public Palin tree you may wish to visit http://www.tribalpages.com/tribe/browse?userid=palinfamily where you can find the connection...
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Hi Tony - We're actually 5th cousins.
I guess that means we are related too then larc1! I have seen the Palin family website, my Grandmother is on there on the same line as Tony.
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FranBB - email me *so we can exchange family info privately...
email address removed please use the private messaging function
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Hi I'm not sure if this will reach anyone as I realise these messages were from a while back. I'm the great granddaughter of Lucy Maud Palin 1901 and mother of Amy Victoria France's on the headstone picture on Rosa Annie on the family tree link on these messages. I am just starting on my journey to discover my family tree.