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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Lancashire => Topic started by: Luzzu on Saturday 20 June 09 18:48 BST (UK)
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Hi,
I have been told that on the site of the Withington Workhouse & Hospital at Nell Lane (Chorlton Union Workhouse) there was also a cemetery which was used until 1920. Apparently when the cemetery closed officially (c1970), the remains were removed and reburied in Southern Cemetery and some were removed earlier when Princess Road was built.
Does anyone know if there are any records of the graves that were removed and reburied and if there are how do you go about accessing the records.
Thanks,
Luzzu
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You could ask at the Manchester Local Archives at Manchester Central Library St Peter's Square
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hi,,you could post your ancestors details and we could have a look for you... i visit southern cemetery,if you find the grave details,and would like a photo e-mailing...let me know. regards..mike. http://yourarchives.nationalarchives.gov.uk/index.php?title=Withington_Workhouse_and_Hospital
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As far as i know, they were moved to Southern cemetery. Some cn be found on the Manchester council burial site, but there details are not very good.
Post us there names and dates of death/burial and will see what i can find for you?
Migky ;)
CLICK 4 BURIALS (http://www.burialrecords.manchester.gov.uk/)
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Hi,
:)
Thanks Migky - he is called Patrick Grant and he died 7 June 1857 aged 3 months in the Union Workhouse, Withington. Had a look at the Manchester City Council website but couldn't see anything.
Thanks for the kind offer Gortonboy - will bear it in mind as I can only get over to Manchester once a year now though the last time I went grave hunting at Southern - out of 5 graves, 2 were without headstone and 2 were in the MPublic area and I couldn't find them as they were lying down and the grass had grown over them so I couldn't find the numbers and had to give up - got lucky with the 5th one so it wasn't a totally wasted day.
Thanks for the links as well - much appreciated. :D
Luzzu
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hi..if you look on this link and enter "workhouse as a search,,there are a few images you may find interesting http://www.images.manchester.gov.uk
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Hi Luzzi
all you say about the cemetery is true, but you will have a job finding any records, I had the same problem a couple of years ago,the cemetery told me
the central library had the records, the library told me the cemetery had the records so I got no further and gave up.
mitmoor
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The only thing i have managed to find out is that up 1985 and might even be after. They were still removing graves from the hopital grounds. All i can find is that they are numbered in boxes from 0 to 53 ( there maybe more ?) No names or detail but buried in the C-of-E section. Grave from M 3807 to M4976 . I have not managed to find any yet for the R.C. or Noneconformist's .
Migky ;)
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Found some but not all of the Roman Catholic ones.
Again no names or details but around May 1985 and reburied in the R.C. section.
Between graves FF 954 to FF 1374
Migky ;)
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Thanks for your efforts Migky. Much appreciated. It seems to me from what you are finding that they reburied the remains but didn't record any names. :(
Gortonboy - thanks for link for the pictures. Really interesting.
Luzzu
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HI Migky
sounds interesting, when I was trying no one new anything,where did you find your info ? when the weather cools down abit I will nip down to the cem I am only 15 mins away, I know the m section its all common graves area, I don't fancy wondering around in this heat
mitmoor
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I used to play in the said cemy as a kid with my mates.
We used to call it conker paradise !!!!!!
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Thanks for your efforts Migky. Much appreciated. It seems to me from what you are finding that they reburied the remains but didn't record any names. :(
Gortonboy - thanks for link for the pictures. Really interesting.
Luzzu
hiya luzzu
the birth registers for the workhouse 1857-1920 are at manchester library
they also have the death registers[including burial details]1857-1949
the creed registers[admissions+discharge]1869-1914
interment registers 1898-1951.
the early dis-interments,were carried out,because they were building princess rd,which passed over part of the cemetery
mack ;D
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Thanks Manmack.
I will make enquiries there.
:)
Luzzu
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,hi manmack
thats interesting info when I spoke to the library a couple of years ago
they told me they did not hold the records,ring southern they have them
I spoke to southern they said sorry we don't have them so I gave up
I will watch for luzzu,s reply with interest.
mitmoor
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Hi Mitmoor,
I will have to email Manchester Library and see what response I get. I won't be able to go in to search the records for a while as I won't be visiting Manchester again until next year ( I live in Malta 8))
I don't feel I can ask a fellow Rootschatter to do a look up because it seems more of a search than a look up and I don't want to take advantage and ask too much. The people on the Lancashire board have already been more than amazing.
I will get an email off this week and see what happens. Will keep you posted
Luzzu
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thanks Luzzu
Mitmoor
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Manchester Library were very helpful when I contacted them after I'd got the death certificate of my great-great grandfather, John Stevenson, which showed he'd died in Withington Workhouse on 6th June 1867.
The archivist looked it up, though their records added no more than that he'd died at 5:40 a.m. The volume is too fragile for them to photocopy, but they said if I went I could photograph it. Unfortunately the admissions book for that period is missing, so I don't know when he went into the workhouse.
But the link posted by gortonboy to the holdings makes me wonder whether it might be worth going to see if there's anything in the "cemetery reference book" too.
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Hi,
:)
The Chorlton Union Workhouse records are definitely at Manchester Central Library. A friend kindly did a look-up in the death register and found baby Patrick Grant entered for 1857 (along with his twin brother Charles which was new information for me). There is a grave reference but this will obviously refer to the graveyard at the workhouse which as we know no longer exists. When I knew she was going I warned her that the records might be too fragile to photocopy (re Aulus' post) but that it might be possible to take a photograph however she told me cameras are not allowed to be used in the library and the staff were strict about enforcing this regulation when she was there. Not to worry though, it was possible to get a photocopy in this instance. I did think about posting an extract on here so you could see how the records are but am not sure re copyright etc.,
Luzzu
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Hi,
:)
The Chorlton Union Workhouse records are definitely at Manchester Central Library. I did think about posting an extract on here so you could see how the records are but am not sure re copyright etc.,
Luzzu
If you do as every one ells dose and do what is called "Transcribe" any records in your own words, this does not brake/infringe any copy rights or if it does every one on this site is in breach of copy rights including moderators of this site.Just by changing the font size & type can change copy right ;D ;D
I think thats how they get round the 1911 census , they are so poorly transcribed you will be lucky if you can say where they got the original infomation from( they have to be the worst i have ever seen, i had to use an Enigma machine to work half of what they tried to transcribe)
Migky ;)
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Hi,
:)
The Chorlton Union Workhouse records are definitely at Manchester Central Library. A friend kindly did a look-up in the death register and found baby Patrick Grant entered for 1857 (along with his twin brother Charles which was new information for me). There is a grave reference but this will obviously refer to the graveyard at the workhouse which as we know no longer exists. When I knew she was going I warned her that the records might be too fragile to photocopy (re Aulus' post) but that it might be possible to take a photograph however she told me cameras are not allowed to be used in the library and the staff were strict about enforcing this regulation when she was there. Not to worry though, it was possible to get a photocopy in this instance. I did think about posting an extract on here so you could see how the records are but am not sure re copyright etc.,
Luzzu
hiya luzzu.
you can use a camera in the library,when i asked two of the librarians at manchester library,they told me that i can photograph as much as i wanted,in four hours,but theres a charge of £4
mack ;D
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Hi,
Sorry. ::)
Didn't mean to mislead people by posting the wrong information re taking photographs at the library. Must have misunderstood or got confused.
Luzzu
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Just a quick addendum on taking photographs in records offices.
I've not been to Manchester (yet), but Lancashire, Suffolk and Barrow-in-Furness have all allowed photography (at a per day cost, so it's worth saving up your photography!). But you are not allowed to use flash and at Lancashire Records Office, they have been particular about the little red (focussing??) light that some digital cameras shine out just before you take a picture.
You have to keep a record of what you have photographed and as part of the agreement you sign, you agree not to use the images commercially (without further permission, I presume).
So if you are going to use a digital camera in a records office, I'd suggest you practice at home and make sure it's not emitting any lights at all! And of course you can practice making sure you can hold it still and that you've got the hang of its macro focus functions.
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Hi all, :)
I went to Manchester library to view these records and got a couple of photocopies. Photo copying machine is terrible at the library, It cost me loads, and what I got wasn't very good. At 50p a time :o, they need a better machine as the picture you see in front of you isn't always what you get!! You can alter the contrast but you don't see this on screen, just wait for the copy to be printed. :(
You cannot use a camera where the micro machine readers are, as I was told 'NO' from a few people there, you can use it to take a picture from the photocopying machine but that doesn't work either with or without flash, due to the screen where you see the picture. The microfilm can be great and dead clear on the screen of the photocopier, but doesn't mean it's what you get!!! :(
They were very helpful at the library, allowing me to try with a camera as they have seen previous people do the same and it hasn't worked for them. They did watch as I done this, and I had to show them photo's. If you are able to get a picture/s it costs £3.00. And you do have to sign a copyright agreement. :-X
Staff there are clearly not happy with the photocopying machine as I was not the only person who wasn't happy with the photocopy. They must get tired of people going back to them. The microfilm readers weren't any better, I had to rewind film back onto reel using my finger. At one point it fell off the machine and hit me on the head!!!!
I gave up in the end and just copied info onto paper. ;D
The microfilm for the workhouse was quite clear, although as with all documents of an age you get some that are not great.
Come on Manchester City Council GIVE the library some decent funding!!! to update, the facilities for the public and the staff!!! It would be money well worth spent as the place was really BUSY!!
Sorry Luzzu, about giving wrong impression about the use of a camera!! Glad you were happy with the photo copies. :-[
Cancan :)
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hi, i've done quite alot of research into this matter, my grandpob, his siter and brother were born in withington workhouse. his brother eric and mother clara both died of tb in the workhouse in 1927, clara was buried in the family grave in widnes, however we think poor little baby eric was buried in the chorlton union cemetary at the workhouse. the cemetery also served the chorlton union area as well as the workhouse until 1920.
Please see this link for more information:
http://www.manchester-family-history-research.co.uk/new_page_5.htm
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Hi,
Thanks for your interesting posting. Just wanted to put a link to Cancan's posting on the Resources board. She has photographed the site of the Chorlton Union Workhouse reburials at Southern. There is a photograph of the engraved flat memorial stone on the site of the CofE reburials. Very sadly they didn't place a memorial stone on the site of the RC reburials.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,555375.0.html
Luzzu :)