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Title: pjbuk007's Scavenger Hunt...Everyone Welcome To Join In
Post by: Tephra on Tuesday 16 June 09 14:04 BST (UK)


Welcome to this weeks Scavenger Hunt, pjbuk thinks it's a bit humdrum, I think you'll get stuck into it!!!

Good Luck and Good Hunting.

Barbara

                                  **********************************

This has become a little less of a mystery this very day, see below, but I have been trying to unravel the lives of my maternal g grandmother, Annie Louisa Ellen PERRETT and gg grandmother, Eunice Ann PERRETT for ages.

Eunice Ann PERRETT b Wickwar, Gloucestershire, 14 Dec 1857
Her parents were John PERRETT, labourer and Ann PEARCE. John was in Horsley Jail in 1851!  This PERRETT line has been researched and there are trees going back on the net.  I have not PROVEN any ancestors myself, but have finally got round to joining the PERRETT society, so will be learning more soon.  But going forward….

I have Eunice with family in 1861 and as a servant in Wickwar in 1871 (RG10 2582 7 5).  The name is Unice on both these.

In 1881 she is a cook at the Great Western Hotel, Newquay, Cornwall (RG11 2296 81 2)

On 18 Feb 1882, back in Wickwar, she gives birth to Annie Louisa Ellen. No father on cert and occupation servant.  Speculation as to whether a posh guest could have impregnated her (Oscar Wilde stayed at the Great Western!!)

On 27 Aug 1882 Eunice Ann PERRETT marries James STRANGE (widower, labourer, resident of Newhaven; father Edward STRANGE, deceased).  Marriage in The Parish Church, Newhaven, Sussex. Witnesses Harriet PERRETT and John PERRETT, labourer  who is also given as bride’s father.

What are they doing in Sussex? Could he be Annie’s father?  When Annie marries William TRASK in Cardiff in 1900 she gives her father as John PERRETT, labourer, deceased. So I think her Dad will never be known, and did the deed when Eunice was at the Hotel.

The plot thickens…..  on 1 May 1895 a daughter, Eunice May, is born to Reuben STRANGE and Eunice Ann Strange (formerly PERRETT), at Inglestone, Hawkesbury, Gloucs.  Eunice May dies aged 10 weeks, from congenital syphilis!

So, which STRANGE is the daddy?  I cannot find James STRANGE, Reuben STRANGE, Eunice Ann or Annie Louisa Ellen in the 1891 or the 1901 (for the first three).  There is an Annie PERRETT boarder aged 9 at RG12 1922 34 22 and a Annie E PERRETT niece at RG12 1994 81 17 in the 1891.  Could the STRANGES be in a workhouse somewhere?

The congenital syphilis made me think that Eunice Ann must have been infected and died.  But lo and behold, the 1911 for Wales comes online and there she is, large as life, with Annie and my grandmother;

William TRASK 40 Quarry Labourer b Dinas Powis
Annie TRASK 30   b Wickwar
William TRASK  9  b Cadoxton
Adeline TRASK  6      “
Eunice TRASK  3        “
David TRASK    1   b Cadoxton
Eunice STRANGE  53 widower  b Wickwar
Albert STRANGE   17  labourer    b Wickwar


So I looked again for Eunice’s Death Cert and it came today.

Eunice Ann STRANGE d age 65 10 Aug 1922 of inoperable colon cancer. A E STRANGE (son) is informant.  Eunice is a certified midwife, wife of Reuben STRANGE, general labourer.

So, where were they in 91 and 01?  Who is Reuben, and who is James?  Can the 1911 info help to work out which of the many Gloucs STRANGEs married Eunice?

NB there is another, posher Eunice PERRETT from Western Super Mare who is not mine!  For extras, can you find the deaths of my Grandmother’s siblings?
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Post by: hepburn on Tuesday 16 June 09 14:44 BST (UK)
Could the Bowyers be any relation,re Annie RG12/1994/81/17.
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Post by: AMBLY on Tuesday 16 June 09 14:47 BST (UK)
Hi

Birth of the son?
Albert Edward G STRANGE
Chipping Sodbury 6a 213 - Sep Qtr 1893

Cheers
AMBLY
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Post by: AMBLY on Tuesday 16 June 09 14:59 BST (UK)
Albert Edward STRANGE
WW1 Voluntary Enlistment from 22 Aug 1919, 19th Hussars
AFB 265
Born 22 Nov 1899
Farm Labourer - Single
C of E
Next Of Kin: Ruben STRANGE 23 Commercial Road , St Ebbe, Oxford
Discharged 10 Oct 1919 - physically unfit (he had deformed feet from childhood)

Discharged in York, to his father's address

Just checking the WW1 Discharge doc for more details....

added:Regimental Nr 4/78757
Albert Edward Strange
Born Oxon
Declared age on enlistment: 19 years and 9 mths
Farm labourer
5', 3&half inches tall, 114 Llb
Brown hair, Fresh Complexion, Blue eyes


Cheers
AMBLY
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Post by: AMBLY on Tuesday 16 June 09 15:16 BST (UK)
Name looks a bit like STRANGL or STRUNGL......
1901: 10 Park End Street (shaving salon) - Oxford St Thomas, Oxfordshire
RG13 /  Piece: 1386 /  Folio: 18 /  Page: 26
Head: Ruben STRANGE 35, General Labourer, b Sutton Court?neyBerkshire
Wife: Alice A STRANGE 26, b Oxford
Dau: Daisy D STRANGE 8, b Ocford
Son: Joseph STRANGE 6, b Oxford
Son: Albert E STRANGE 1, b Oxford

They share the address with another family, whose head is a Hairdresser,

BIRTH: Mar Qtr 1900 Oxford - Albert Edward STRANGE - 3a 958

Is this Ruben  a red herring?  ???

Cheers
AMBLY
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Post by: ShaunJ on Tuesday 16 June 09 15:44 BST (UK)
Eunice and James (and children) are in the 1891 Wales census as Davies !!

Llanhilleth, Monmouthshire 

RG12/4364/101/11
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Post by: ShaunJ on Tuesday 16 June 09 15:46 BST (UK)
They are also in 1901 as Davies RG13/4993/59/62 in Barry

1 Treharne Road

James Davies 45  Wotton under Edge
Eunice Davies 43  Wickwar
Agnes Davies 14  Glamorgan Nillieford (?)
Albert Davies 8     Wickwar
Title: Re: pjbuk007's Scavenger Hunt...Everyone Welcome To Join In
Post by: ShaunJ on Tuesday 16 June 09 15:49 BST (UK)
I remember seeing a passenger list arrival in 1916 for a troops' cook Albert Edward Strange based in Barry, returning from Egypt - could well be him.
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Post by: ShaunJ on Tuesday 16 June 09 15:57 BST (UK)
Barry came under Cardiff RD

Deaths Dec 1895   
 
Strange  Reuben  5  Cardiff  11a 228   


Deaths Dec 1926   
 
Strange  Reuben  70   Cardiff  11a 460

Title: Re: pjbuk007's Scavenger Hunt...Everyone Welcome To Join In
Post by: stonechat on Tuesday 16 June 09 16:04 BST (UK)
There is a relative here on curiousfox

see this descendant of Agnes Strange daughter of Reuben and Eunice

http://www.curiousfox.com/history_Wales/glamorgan_11.html
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Post by: stonechat on Tuesday 16 June 09 16:05 BST (UK)
Could James /Reuben be the same person
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Post by: ShaunJ on Tuesday 16 June 09 16:05 BST (UK)
These are the Wotton under Edge/Dursley Stranges.  

James Strange and Elizabeth Wheeler had the fllowing children baptised at Dursley:

James Strange  SEP 1851
 
Mary Ann Strange  MAR 1853  

Reuben Strange  MAR 1856 (alias James Davies ? )
 
Elizabeth Strange  DEC 1858

Edmund Strange DEC 1860
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Post by: jaywit on Tuesday 16 June 09 16:42 BST (UK)
   
'On 27 Aug 1882 Eunice Ann PERRETT marries James STRANGE (widower, labourer, resident of Newhaven; father Edward STRANGE, deceased).  Marriage in The Parish Church, Newhaven, Sussex. Witnesses Harriet PERRETT and John PERRETT, labourer  who is also given as bride’s father'.
 
Hang on James Strange father Edward, yet the Strange baptisms found by Shaun are father James?
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Post by: jaywit on Tuesday 16 June 09 16:48 BST (UK)
On the 1881 census there is only 1 James Strange living in Newhaven

RG11/1073/74/66

He is a messenger, boarder with an Evans family and aged 52 born Liverpool.

Something doesn't tie up here.
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Post by: pjbuk007 on Tuesday 16 June 09 17:11 BST (UK)
Goodness, you have been busy!  I go to the supermarket and come back to all this.

The Oxford Reuben is on the various censuses, but I do think he is a red herring, AMBLY.  I am not sure about the Albert E in the Army, either, but thanks for looking!

I am amazed at the Davies business!!  Well done for finding them.

In the 1911 they are living (ubder the names in my first post) at 15 Treherne Road.

So, need to get those Reuben Strange Death Certs.

My mother knows nothing, my Aunt (old and ill) was close to her mother and said "Penny shouldn't bother, there were some very naughty girls....."

Do you think Eunice was carrying on with father and son, or two brothers? Hence changed their name when went to Cardiff.  Or father and son? Was James Strange's father's name Edward?

They were a confusing lot, and the Gloucestershire Stranges and Perretts were a rum lot, right at the bottom of the heap. Someone was lying; if you brilliant people have any other suggestions about how to unravel this, please fire away.

Cooking supper - beef and potato curry since you ask - will return later.

Many thanks to all.

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Post by: pjbuk007 on Tuesday 16 June 09 17:14 BST (UK)
She seems to end up back in Gloucestershire with the Stranges, so I do wonder who the Newhaven James was. I cannot find any Newhaven Parish records online (the Parish Church was St Michaels although there is another "new" church); anyone got any access to these?
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Post by: jaywit on Tuesday 16 June 09 17:55 BST (UK)
If you put James Strange born Liverpool into the cencuses then that 1881 entry is the only one that comes up. The other boarders have Liverpool as a place of birth as well so I think you have to disregard that.
My gut feeling, but it needs some more work, is that it was James Strange snr. she married.
 His baptism isn't online, there is a submitted marriage to Elizabeth on Familysearch and my guess is they haven't found his baptism.
James snr. needs to be traced and also what happened to his wife Elizabeth?
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Post by: osprey on Tuesday 16 June 09 18:38 BST (UK)
This might be Elizabeth's death reg

Elizabeth Strange dec qtr 1862 Dursley vol 6a pg 144

The family for which ShaunJ found baptisms is in Wotton under Edge in 1861 RG9/1750 folio 91 pg 14.
1871 Elizabeth & Edward (Edmund?) are in Dursley workhouse RG10/2594 folio 36 pg 38

Haven't found the others as yet, but Reuben is in Swindon in 1881 RG11/2020 folio 53 pg 29

birth reg for son Reuben
Reuben Strainge june qtr 1890 Pontypridd vol 11a pg 545
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Post by: jaywit on Tuesday 16 June 09 18:53 BST (UK)
I think James snr. is in Wales in 1871, calling himself James Davies.
RG10/5332/91/18

He is a boarder, labourer and married.
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Post by: ShaunJ on Tuesday 16 June 09 19:13 BST (UK)
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I think James snr. is in Wales in 1871, calling himself James Davies

Crikey!
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Post by: jaywit on Tuesday 16 June 09 19:20 BST (UK)
Well the place of birth he gave and we have found they were using Davies later 2+ 2 and I think that's him.



Another thought. Rangeworthy batisms are only online up to 1812, but there are loads of Davies baptisms. I wonder if James was born Davies and his mother later married a Strange?
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Post by: pjbuk007 on Tuesday 16 June 09 21:51 BST (UK)
Confusing, isn't she? I am very fond of Eunice and her rackety life.  The James Davies she was living with seems to be too young to be the James STRANGE aged 52, widower in Newhaven.

I have endlessly looked at the marriage certificate, which does say James, not Reuben, although the writing is terrible. I have also had various clever family historians look at it over the years, and they agree.

Eunice had a kid who died with Reuben in 1895 in Hawkesbury, Gloucs, both names on certificates so?  This seems to indicate she was actually a bit of a goer (or at least had two families going in the 1890s). I always thought the Newhaven marriage might be of convenience, to legitimise Annie Louisa Ellen.  Perhaps she just ran off with James Davies.

I have emailed my ? second cousin once removed whom you kindly found on curiousfox, and invited them to have a look on here.

Any more suggestions?

Would there be any point in ordering the marriage cert from Sussex, do they copy or type them?
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Post by: pjbuk007 on Tuesday 16 June 09 21:55 BST (UK)
Or James Davies and Reuben Strange are one and the same. But who did she marry in Newhaven?
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Post by: jaywit on Tuesday 16 June 09 22:14 BST (UK)
James Davies is I think James Strange snr.
Now someone on Familysearch has obviously been researching the family as Strange, but they haven't been able to find a baptism for James Strange.
This is because I think he was born as James Davies.
Perhaps put a request on Gloucs. Look Up Requests to see if anyone has access to Rangeworthy PR's to see if there is a baptism at the right time of a James Davies to a single mother. If so then I think you need to look for her later marriage to a Strange.
Now the marriage cert for Eunice and James, it may just say 'of full age' for both the bride and groom if so it won't be of much help, but some vicars put ages on the cert. If so that would help.
You still have the problem as how Eunice ended up marrying James in Newhaven, and if she isn't living with him later where is he?
Also what happened to James wife Elizabeth?
It is going to take some untangling but I think you will get to the bottom of the story eventually.
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Post by: Lesanne on Tuesday 16 June 09 22:21 BST (UK)
 :D gosh, I'll take a quick read and see you tomoz...  ;)
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Post by: osprey on Tuesday 16 June 09 22:42 BST (UK)
I posted a possible death for Elizabeth in reply 17. It may explain why the 2 youngest children are in the workhouse in 1871.  There are other Elizabeth Strange entries in Gloucestershire on the 1861 census, but none that are in the area covered by Dursley registration district.
 
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Post by: osprey on Tuesday 16 June 09 22:54 BST (UK)
info for Trasks
Adeline Trask mar qtr 1926 Cardiff vol 11a pg 613 married James H George
Adeline I George b. 25/12/1904 died August 1985 South Glamorgan vol 28 pg 2222

death regs
Eunice A E Trask 21 dec qtr 1929 Cardiff vol 11a pg 464
Annie L E Trask 33 sept qtr 1913 Cardiff vol 11a pg 461

William Trask married Frances Cann march qtr 1923 Cardiff vol 11a pg 597
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Post by: pjbuk007 on Tuesday 16 June 09 23:17 BST (UK)
Thanks all - off to bed.

I have those, osprey, Adeline was my Gran. Except for Eunice A E Trask; can you find Douglas and David TRASK's deaths?

I tend to think James Davies whom she is with is Reuben under an assumed name; but will think on.

Goodnight all.
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Post by: ShaunJ on Wednesday 17 June 09 10:37 BST (UK)
Who is Douglas? When/where born?
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Post by: jaywit on Wednesday 17 June 09 11:01 BST (UK)
Shaun I wondered that, the only one I can see born in Wales ( Newport Mon.) has mmn Sullivan.
David is mentioned in message 1
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Post by: pjbuk007 on Wednesday 17 June 09 11:13 BST (UK)
Whoops, meant William TRASKjunior  from OP, Douglas is my grandfather's brother and another mystery for another time...

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Post by: jaywit on Wednesday 17 June 09 11:37 BST (UK)
Lets go back to the beginning.

1881 census James Strange born Liverpool ( I am convinced that is wrong) living in Newhaven. His age makes him look like James snr.

1881 Eunice living Newquay

Feb 1882 Eunice back home in Gloucestershire gives birth to Annie

August 1882 Eunice marries James Strange in Newhaven

1891 In Wales as Davies children  born Swansea.

1881 Reuben Strange son of James is in Swindon.

Whoever Eunice did marry then I feel the only place they could have come into contact would be Gloucestershire.

Why marry in Newhaven?

My only thought is that the groom for some reason talked her into it maybe didn't want to marry in Gloucestershire as he had something to hide.

There is an 8 year old child on 1891 so it appears Eunice became pregnant soon after the marriage so the obvious guess is that the father was the man she married.

So what happened to Reuben who was living in Swindon in 1881?

What happened to James who was living in Newhaven in 1881?

If she was living with Reuben in 1891 and afterwards when did he die? ( She is shown as a widow on 1911)

I am afraid still more questions than answers.
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Post by: ShaunJ on Wednesday 17 June 09 11:44 BST (UK)
I think Reuben died in Cardiff RD aged 70 in 1926.

Eunice could have been a widow in 1911 as a result of James's death...when was that I wonder?
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Post by: jaywit on Wednesday 17 June 09 11:54 BST (UK)
Shaun and where was Reuben in 1911?

James could have died anywhere, did he ever go back to Wales?
 He was there in 1871 and if he was using the name Davies then we are on a hiding to nothing trying to find his death.
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Post by: ShaunJ on Wednesday 17 June 09 12:28 BST (UK)
Agnes Strange born Llantwit Fardre in 1888 is in a tree posted on GenesReunited - might be useful to contact the tree owner (Des). Presumably it's the same person who posted the message on Curious Fox.
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Post by: ShaunJ on Wednesday 17 June 09 12:29 BST (UK)
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and where was Reuben in 1911?

I've no idea but a Reuben Strange of the right age did die in Cardiff RD in 1926 !
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Post by: jaywit on Wednesday 17 June 09 13:07 BST (UK)
Shaun I think that death certificate might make interesting reading.
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Post by: jaywit on Wednesday 17 June 09 13:14 BST (UK)
Agnes married Isaac Britton they are in Pontypool district in 1911 and James/Reuben isn't with them.
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Post by: jaywit on Wednesday 17 June 09 13:23 BST (UK)
Going back to the 1891 census the children are shown as
Annie Davies 8 

Elizabeth Davies 6 

Agnes Davies 3 

Reuben Davies 11/12 

All said to be born Swansea.

Now Annie should be 9 and born Wickwar, now Eunice is shown as being born Wickwar but not Annie, odd.

I also notice in the first post that when Eunice died in 1922 she was shown as wife of Reuben not widow which if Reuben didn't die until 1926 that would be correct ( if they were ever married in the first place)

The 1895 birth of a daughter Eunice was in Gloucestershire not Wales as you would think. There is still something not quite right here.
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Post by: jaywit on Wednesday 17 June 09 13:37 BST (UK)
I think Elizabeth could have married a James Uriah Pugh but I can't tie them down in 1911.
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Post by: jaywit on Wednesday 17 June 09 14:08 BST (UK)
Another thought Eunice was described as a certified midwfe on her death certificate. When and where did she train?
I'm not sure a married woman would be accepted for training, in the early 1900's, a widow would, my great aunt trained after her husband had died in the Boer War, but she left her 2 children with her parents whilst she trained in London
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Post by: pjbuk007 on Wednesday 17 June 09 15:14 BST (UK)
I have sent for various certs. The one for Eunice STRANGE's death only took 6 days so hopefully next week?

They told some lies, methinks.  Albert STRANGE in 1911 is down as brother (of whom?) and aged 17. I have sent for two Albert STRANGE births (1893, 1895) as well.

None of the Reuben STRANGEs in 1911 look likely, and of course he might have been calling himself James Davies, or, well anything! The death in 1926 does look likely.

Perhaps they only told the truth at births and deaths.
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Post by: Lesanne on Wednesday 17 June 09 15:21 BST (UK)
Is there any connection to the sea for work?
Newhaven, Swansea, Swindon (Bristol) fishing ports...   ??? 
            opps.. added.. forgot Newquay too!!

Back later
  Lesanne
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Post by: pjbuk007 on Wednesday 17 June 09 15:41 BST (UK)
No seaside connection as far as I can see.

NB Births Pontypridd

1885 Elizabeth Strainge                    Sent for these certs
1888 Agnes Strange
1890 Reuben Strainge

Births  Chipping Sodbury
1893 Albert Edward G    ?
1895 Eunice May Strange  Have the cert - Eunice formerly PERRETT and Reuben STRANGE

There are 39 STRANGE births in Chipping Sodbury between 1880 and 1900.

I am being profligate with my pension (last throw - fiscal caution thrown to winds etc) but cannot order them ALL.

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Post by: pjbuk007 on Wednesday 17 June 09 15:53 BST (UK)
Perhaps she married James STRANGE, father but went off with the son, Reuben, so called themselves (James) Davies to hide the truth?
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Post by: jaywit on Wednesday 17 June 09 16:39 BST (UK)
Perhaps she married James STRANGE, father but went off with the son, Reuben, so called themselves (James) Davies to hide the truth?

Yes but James snr. was calling himself Davies in 1871 in Wales ( dob c1832 born Rangeworth(y) Glouestershire)
This is what makes me think he was born Davies.

Also have you been able to trace James Strange jnr. baptised 1851?
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Post by: ShaunJ on Wednesday 17 June 09 21:07 BST (UK)
James Strange and Elizabeth ( no kids yet) are in the 1851 census at "Wottonunderedge" - presumably not long married - HO107/1958/ 203/21

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Post by: pjbuk007 on Wednesday 17 June 09 23:17 BST (UK)
I still think James Davies in 1891 and 1901, living in Wales with Eunice, is Reuben STRANGE.  Why would he live with her and her kids (who are all registered as variants of STRANGE)?

Also James STRANGE in Newhaven, 1881 is 52, b circa 1829.

The James STRANGE she marries in 1882 is a widower.

James DAVIES in Wales in 1871 is 39, born circa 1832

The above may be the same person

James DAVIES living with Eunice in 1891 is 36, b circa 1855

James DAVIES living with Eunice in 1901 is 45, b circa 1856

Reuben STRANGE d 1926 aged 70, b circa 1856

The birth certs of their kids all give Reuben STRANGE, also her death cert (which gives wife of Reuben STRANGE

I think the last 4 statements refer to the same person. 
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Post by: jaywit on Thursday 18 June 09 09:00 BST (UK)
I agree that it was James that Eunice married, but then after that marriage what happened to James? ( admittedly if he was calling himself Davies and he had gone back to Wales it will be extremely difficult to find a death) and as there isn't an earlier marriage for Reuben ( ignore the Reuben Strange marriage which says Cricklade, when you look at the full index that is a mistranscription for the Oxford Reuben Strange)
So why didn't they marry?
Or did they marry just before Eunice's death and it hasn't found it's way on to Free BMD yet? ( Presumably as she had cancer they would have had time to marry).
And the biggest question why did Reuben use the exact same alias as his father had done?
There must have been an underlying reason for both father and son to use an alias and the same one, we just don't know what it was.
Eunice was legally Mrs Strange so why did Reuben change his name to James Davies?
It's odd also that the children were registered on birth and marriage as Strange and yet on 2 census returns the family are Davies.
I wonder if James Davies/Strange died at some point between 1901 and 1911 as by then Eunice was calling herself Strange and saying she was widowed?
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Post by: pjbuk007 on Friday 19 June 09 10:18 BST (UK)
Have we all run out of steam?

I have been trawling the Jamies DAVIES born circa 1932, as well as the James STRANGEs, but there are too many of the former.

Fresh ideas would be very welcome, but perhaps we have to wait until some certs come next week.
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Post by: Tephra on Friday 19 June 09 10:26 BST (UK)



Probably the best way...........at least then you should be able to narrow it down a little....fingers crossed     :D :D

Barbara
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Post by: Lesanne on Friday 19 June 09 13:09 BST (UK)
Just a thought.....  ;) Have you completely checked out the other Eunice Perrett  :-\
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Post by: jaywit on Friday 19 June 09 13:54 BST (UK)
Lesanne I looked at the other one, her married name was Perrett, her maiden  name was Rossiter. The family appeared as said to be much better off than this family.
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Post by: toni* on Friday 19 June 09 14:19 BST (UK)
missed the start will try to catch up
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Post by: ShaunJ on Friday 19 June 09 16:04 BST (UK)
That 1882 marriage in Newhaven...are any addresses given for either bride or groom?
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Post by: pjbuk007 on Friday 19 June 09 22:22 BST (UK)
Residences just given as Newhaven for James, and Wickwar, Gloucestershire for Eunice on 1882 Marriage Cert.  Cannot find PRs, would they say any more? 

I am convinced that this is the right Eunice, and I did look for the other (Weston Super Mare) Eunice through the censuses, when I first did this. 

My mother told me today that a generation or so down there was a "bad girl" who was associated with "someone very bad, a robber".  She genuinely does not know any more.   My Aunt, who might, has already stated that she will not talk about any of this.

I just put that last in to show that maybe some fishy goings on ran in the family (John PERRETT, Eunice's Dad in Horsley Jail in 1851).

I would love to weasel this out.

I just arranged today for the Lady who runs ONS for husband's name and is over from Australiato come for lunch on Sunday!  So I need to go and sort out those papers, probably will not post much on this until Monday, but PLEASE keep trying/coming up with suggestions.

Thanks to all who have taken an interest.
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Post by: hiraeth on Saturday 20 June 09 08:57 BST (UK)
James Strange and Elizabeth ( no kids yet) are in the 1851 census at "Wottonunderedge" - presumably not long married - HO107/1958/ 203/21


Marriage Sep Q 1850 Dursley 11/243
STRANGE, James  &  WHEELER, Elizabeth (on same page)

Heather
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Post by: jaywit on Saturday 20 June 09 09:41 BST (UK)
Gloucestershire archives shows this for John Perrett, now wether it's just the 1851 census or wether they have more information it doesn't say, but you could always ask them.
http://ww3.gloucestershire.gov.uk/genealogy/Results.aspx
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Post by: ShaunJ on Saturday 20 June 09 10:12 BST (UK)
Glos Archives also have listings for the Wotton-under-Edge Stranges in the non-conformist catalogue, and an Edmund Strange of Rangeworthy in gaol in 1827.
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Post by: toni* on Monday 22 June 09 09:59 BST (UK)
the marriage you refer to in Newhaven is that Newhaven Sussex ?
The Parish Church is St Michaels

still haven't managed to catch up  ::)
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Post by: toni* on Monday 22 June 09 10:19 BST (UK)

On 27 Aug 1882 Eunice Ann PERRETT marries James STRANGE (widower, labourer, resident of Newhaven; father Edward STRANGE, deceased).  Marriage in The Parish Church, Newhaven, Sussex. Witnesses Harriet PERRETT and John PERRETT, labourer  who is also given as bride’s father.

1881 Census

James Strange boarding along sea side in the huts
he is a messenger age 52 b. Liverpool


there was a Perrett family over in Brighton around this time

Newhaven Museum would be worth contacting - peter mason on here
he has photos of these huts
and some events that occured at St Michaels  - mainly burials
the graveyard there the stones are not all readable and they noted them down before the graveyard was closed and the  burials took place at lewes Road in Newhaven

i live in Newhaven - do you need to know anything about the town itself?



 

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Post by: pjbuk007 on Monday 22 June 09 11:48 BST (UK)
Yes, it is the Parish Church, Newhaven, Sussex. aka St Michaels.

Cannot find any PRs or other clues.
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Post by: toni* on Monday 22 June 09 12:04 BST (UK)
i suspect the PR's will be at East Sussex Record Office at Lewes
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Post by: pjbuk007 on Monday 22 June 09 19:25 BST (UK)
Toni

I would love to see pictures of the huts. Also, can you indicate where they woulod have been on a current Newhaven map?

I know Eunice was in Newquay  in 1881, back in Wickwar, Gloucs in 1882 having Annie Luoisa Ellen, then she seems to be hustled down to Newhaven for a MARRIAGE.  If it was the James Strange from Newhaven 1881, she appears not to have ever lived with him after.
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Post by: Tephra on Tuesday 23 June 09 11:01 BST (UK)


It's that time of the week again and here's this weeks Scavenger Hunt.    I think you'll like this one.

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,388642.0.html

Good Luck and Good Hunting.

As usual, this Hunt will remain open for any further information which may come in.

Barbara
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Post by: pjbuk007 on Tuesday 23 June 09 11:18 BST (UK)
Thanks, Tephra and everyone else.  I hope the certs come this week and I will post those to see if anyone gets more inspiration.
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Post by: toni* on Tuesday 23 June 09 11:58 BST (UK)
have you found James Strange from Liverpool prior to him being in Newhaven in 1881
he was a a messenger in 1881 so presumably he travelled where the messages took him
maybe to where Eunice was at one point
if you contact Newhaven Museum they will be able to help with the huts photos and possibly PR's from St Michaels etc

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Post by: pjbuk007 on Tuesday 23 June 09 12:18 BST (UK)
As Jaywit said earlier:


If you put James Strange born Liverpool into the cencuses then that 1881 entry is the only one that comes up. The other boarders have Liverpool as a place of birth as well so I think you have to disregard that.
My gut feeling, but it needs some more work, is that it was James Strange snr. she married.
His baptism isn't online, there is a submitted marriage to Elizabeth on Familysearch and my guess is they haven't found his baptism.
James snr. needs to be traced and also what happened to his wife Elizabeth?


I think this James Strange is from Gloucestershire, and may be Reuben's father.

I do need to get him in all the censuses/check my various printouts.
Title: Update
Post by: pjbuk007 on Thursday 26 November 09 15:44 GMT (UK)
Just a little nugget to add; Familyrelatives.com has put the 1920 Midwives Roll online.

Eunice May STRANGE is there!

Living at 21 Treharne Rd, Cadoxton, Barry.

Date of enrolment: 24 Nov 1904
Qualifications:   In Practice, July 1901

There is a dagger symbol beside her name which I suspect means  that she is no longer practising.

There is no proper description of the database, nor a key, but A lot of people have "In practice, July 1901" when they do NOT have an exam result, so I think the Roll must have started then, and those already working "officially" as midwives would have been allowed on the Register without an exam.

Still, more mysterious than ever, really as she was living in the same road under another name when she was probably working as a midwife!
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Post by: Tephra on Friday 27 November 09 01:45 GMT (UK)



More information to add to the list...........well done         :D :D :D
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Post by: Freckles249 on Monday 16 August 10 17:37 BST (UK)
Eunice Strange nee Perrett, daughter of Ann Pearce of Wickwar.   Ann [Pearce] Perrett was the midwife for Wickwar so probably training came from her.

Eunice Perrett had an earlier "illegitimate" baby on 15th April 1880 named John William Perrett. At the time of the 1881 census he was living in Wickwar with his grandparents John and Ann Perrett.

I am descended from Hester Louisa Perrett
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Post by: pjbuk007 on Monday 16 August 10 20:56 BST (UK)
Gosh, more very interesting news of Eunice!

I have PM'd you, Freckles, thank you for posting.
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Post by: Tephra on Tuesday 17 August 10 02:03 BST (UK)



Welcome to RootsChat Freckles........ great that you found pjbuk, I'm sure you'll have lots to go over.  You wont be able to PM until you've done three posts, so maybe two more quick ones on here should work.

Barbara
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Post by: Wraggsue on Wednesday 01 July 15 22:55 BST (UK)
Agnes Melinda Strange was my GGrandma father Rueben Strange. Am fascinated by the threads here on roots chat. The family always said rueben was either of aristocracy or a traveller as no one knew much about his background. Have you gleaned anything from the certificates you ordered ?
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Post by: dawnsh on Tuesday 07 July 15 21:18 BST (UK)
Hi Wraggsue

Welcome to Rootschat  ;D

You have replied to a topic started in 2009, and according to her profile pjbuk007 hasn't been online here at Rootschat for a few weeks.

As long as her email address hasn't changed, she should receive an email notification that you have posted and hopefully come back soon.

Dawn
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Post by: pjbuk007 on Wednesday 08 July 15 11:27 BST (UK)
Wraggsue and I have already been in touch by email.

None the wiser about who Reuben STRANGE actually was, nor where he came from, nor the identity of the James STRANGE who Eunice married. 

Aristocracy, eh? He ended up pretty near the bottom of the heap!
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Post by: ShaunJ on Friday 10 July 15 09:02 BST (UK)
The admission register of Cadoxton Primary School, Barry (infants section) lists Reuben Strange, born 16 May 1890, father Reuben. Admitted 27 October 1895, left 3 November 1895. Address 25 Fairford Rd.
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Post by: ShaunJ on Friday 10 July 15 09:06 BST (UK)
Another one from Cadoxton School in Barry:

Albert Strange born 1 October 1893, admitted 31 January 1898. Father Reuben, 3 Treharne Road.
Transferred 27 August 1900.