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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Norfolk => Topic started by: cheap on Thursday 24 February 05 22:51 GMT (UK)
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While doing some research with the 1851 and 1871 census for Lancashire, I have come upon a Norfolk birthplace that I cannot identify. The 1851 census lists the birthplace as Norfolk, Obley (or Olley or Holey). The 1871 census lists the same woman's birthplace as "Holley nr Norwich."
I am completely unfamiliar with Norfolk. Can anyone tell me what town or village is referenced here and where it is located?
Thanks!
Chad
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Mmmm a bit of a puzzler, but then you have not given us much to go on. Lots of places could fit bad handwriting and an attempt ot write a place phonetically - Horsey, Sloley, Oby and Oremesby come to mind. Perhaps if you told us the name and date of birth someone might be able to put the clues together.
Brian ???
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Hi Chad,
if you go to the Notfolk Transcription Archives at
http://www.genealogy.doun.org/transcriptions/index.php
there is a tag for parishes, click on H and then O. That will give you some variations to think about.
Another possibility is the Registration Districts page for Norfolk on GENUKI
http://www.fhsc.org.uk/genuki/REG/nfk.htm
e.g.
Flegg
Created 1st July 1837. Until 1850 listed as East and West Flegg.
Sub-districts : East Flegg; West Flegg
GRO volumes : XIII (1837-51); 4b (1852-1930).
Ashby with Oby,
Brian's idea is probably the best: other certificates may give different spellings, which would help us find it ...
Good luck !
Bob
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Can you give us the details of the 1871 reference and then we can go to ancestry & have a look at the original.
That often helps.
Teddybear
A right old Norfolk dumpling.
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Can we have that reference sop we can look at the original please???
Another thought is Stoke Holy Cross. Dont think people call it Holy but who knows what they did in 1871??
Teddybear
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I have to admit I keep thinking of possibilities. Alby is another one!
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I, too, have wondered if the place in question might be Alby, but am providing some additional information as requested to see if someone might be able to help me figure this out.
The person whose birthplace is in question is Frances (Slaughter) Heap, the daughter of Samuel Slaughter (a soldier, according to her marriage record), who was born in Norfolk about 1820.
Frances Slaughter of Oldham Road, Rochdale, married Thomas Heap, also of Oldham Road, on 25 December 1848, St. Chad's, Rochdale, Lancashire.
The couple, their two-year-old daughter Mary, and a 10-month-old visitor (almost certainly a niece), Alice J. Slaughter, are listed in the 1851 census on Hamer Mill Road, Wuerdle & Wardle, Rochdale, Lancashire. (Schedule No. 41, p. 11, folio 428, piece 2246, HO 107.) This census entry lists Frances's birthplace as "Norfolk, Obley [Olley? Olbey?]"
The 1871 census lists Thomas and Franes [sic] Heap on Martin Row, Rishworth, Halifax, Yorkshire. (Schedule No. 106, p. 25, folio 70, piece 4409, RG 10.) This entry fairly clearly lists Frances's birthplace as "Holley Nr Norwich," although I can identify no such place in the list of Norfolk parishes and/or registration districts.
Since Frances was not living in Norfolk, I would not be at all surprised if the name or spelling of her birthplace was written or pronounced incorrectly by her and/or the census enumerator. Still I would be very grateful if anyone could help me figure out where she might have been born.
I have a copy of the 1851 census entry in djvu format, which cannot be posted to this website, and a copy of the 1871 census entry in gif format, which is too large to post. I would be happy, however, to send them by email to anyone who would be willing to look at the actual entries to see whether s/he can make out the place of birth. Thanks again for your assistance!
Chad
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Hi Chad,
can you just crop a portion of the 1871 census, with the name and some other text in it (for comparison purposes).
Just in case you don't know how to "crop", there are instructions here:
Beginners / How to Use RootsChat / Adding images to Posting & Profiles (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,12753.0.html)
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My vote goes to Holby nr Norwich.
Pauline
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Well Chad I've been thinking again - mustn't make too much of a habit of it. Going back to Samuel I wondered if there was a marriage around 1820. Indeed there is, in fact two. One is of Samuel Slaughter to Ann Peart in Aylsham 1811 and one to Ann pitcher in Ingworth 1824. Both Aylsham and Ingworth are near to Alby and indeed Colby which was yet another thought (said with a broad accent they'd have difficulty picking up the C). I looked at the 1841 census for Ingworth and found the followiing which of course may, or may not, be helpful.
Census 1841 HO107/762/5/4/4 Ingworth
Samuel Slaughter 65 Ag lab
Williby 60.
There is also another family of Slaughters next door with children of Frances age.
Alby is a pain on the 1841 as it is quite indistinct in places, however,
Census 1841 HO107/761/4/3 Alby
John Slaughter 23 Ag lab
Census 1841 HO107/761/6/7 Alby
John Slaughter 55 Ag lab
Ann 50
Catherine 17
Robert 13
James 11
next door
John 30 Ag lab
Betsy 25
At least this proves that there were Slaughters of the right ages and names in the Alby/Colby district!
Sorry if it adds confusion.
Brian
Still thimking.
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Thanks to all of you for your help. I think that Brian may have hit the nail on the head. Frances (Slaughter) Heap must have been born in Alby.
I checked the IGI on familysearch.org for possible matches for the family listed in the 1841 census above. As one might have expected Samuel Slaughter/Slater and Willoughby Clarke had two sons named Samuel (presumably the first died young), who were christened in Ingworth, Norfolk: the first, Samuel Clark Slaughter, on 7 June 1799; and the second, Samuel Slaughter, on 5 October 1801. This could well be Frances (Slaughter) Heap's father, although he would have been a bit on the young side. In fact, I'd be more inclined to say that Frances's parents were likely Samuel Slaughter and Ann Peart, who married 20 April 1811, Aylsham.
However, it is interesting that the John and Ann Slaughter listed above in the 1841 census (who are apparently the son and daughter of Samuel and Willoughby (Clarke) Slaughter) also apparently had a daughter named Frances, who was born 8 June 1820 and christened 11 June 1820 in Alby (about the same time the Frances (Slaughter) Heap was probably born).
So, although the parentage of Frances (Slaughter) Heap appears to be a bit of a mystery, I think it's likely that she was born in Alby.
Thanks again for all your help!
Chad