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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Wexford => Topic started by: Mariam82 on Sunday 14 June 09 19:54 BST (UK)
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Where might I go with this ?? To my surprise my ancestor Alice Green was born in Ballyfad Wexford 1850 and died in lancashire. In meantime she had married twice - once to Andrew Cavanagh and then later to John Greenwood in 1905. I have looked at some Kilmore records but there are few Green families mentioned. Eldest daughter born Ireland (connexford ??) 1868 then in Lancashire by 1881. What chances do i have with such little information ?
regards
Maria
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Hello Maria,
It looks as though Ballyfad, near Gorey is in both Inch and Kilnenor Parishes.
http://www.cousinsfamily.co.uk/wexford/townlands.htm
Searching Griffiths Valuation (taken around 1840-1850s)
http://griffiths.askaboutireland.ie/gv4/gv_family_search_results.php?familyname=greene&firstname=john&countyname=WEXFORD&baronyname=&unionname=&parishname=INCH&submit=Start+Searching
there is a John Greene of Ballyfad. (that's the only one).
There are also Kavanaghs around the area but not Ballyfad.
Where do you get the 'connexford' for the eldest daughter? 1881 shows Margaret born Ireland c 1868 and as all Irish births were registered at that time, she should be registered. You have enough information with parents names and county to hopefully get a certificate.
There are some births for Margaret Kavanagh on here http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#birthYear=1868;birthPlace=Wexford%2C%20Ireland;givenName=margaret;searchType=standard;p=recordResults;birthPlaceId=1928899;searchId=74718544258417700000;surname=cavanagh
but as I said with the parents names, it may be possible to get that certificate. This would at least give you a place to confirm Ballyfad perhaps.
heywood
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Back again,
I should have looked at Family Search IGI
there is an extracted record for Margaret Kavanagh 28 June 1867 Coolgreany Wexford =parents Andrew and Alice Green.
Griffiths Valuation show that a John Kavanagh was living Coolgreany which is also in Inch civil parish.
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Thank you very much for all those details - stupidly i had never thought to look for Kavanagh with a 'k'. It is great to know details for their daughter - now i may be able to look for andrew and alice themselves. Are there any other good sources apart from the IGI ? I am newish to the irish side of family research. Really appreciate your help.
regards
Maria
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I think it would be best to apply for certificates if possible.
If they married just around 1866, you should be able to get a marriage certificate. However, I can't see anything suitable in Irish Civil registraration on Family Search pilot.
Perhaps if you got Margaret's certificate, you may get information re the area to search.
heywood
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If you're interested, I have a number of pics of Ballyfad church. I have ancestors (O'Neill's) that were buried there.
Deb
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Thanks - thats very kind - I'm so pleased to have made a breakthru
with my hubbie's family.
Maria
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Hello,
I am also looking into Alice Green & Andrew Cavanagh.
The info I have so far (which is probably the same as you do) is:
Married 26/08/1866 in Arklow, Wicklow
Alice's father was John Green. Andrews father was James Kavanagh
Children:
Margaret 1867 - Coolgreaney, Wexford
Catherine 1868 - " "
Alice 1871 - Dublin
James 1874 - Widnes, Lancs
Thomas 1877 - "
Annie 1879 - "
Patrick 1881 - "
John 1883 - "
Charles 1886 - "
Andrew died March 1891 (I did note on the '91 census after his death & the family have moved they are living next to a Thomas Green from Ireland, but this may be coincindence).
I will let you know if I find any more info...
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I've just been looking at thepip's reply and was really happy to see that my ancestors (O Neill's)who came from Coolgreany lived in Cromwell Street, about one minute away from the Cavanaghs. Its comforting to think that in the middle of what was a really tough life, they had at least some familiar faces.
Deb x
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Hi Deb - can u tell me how I can find this - always struggled to find the cavanaghs on the 1891 census ?? By 1901 alice cavanagh then a widow had moved to accrington.
Many thanks
Maria m
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Hello - I have found them using Thomas Green - they are down as 'Caranagh' - many thanks.
Maria m
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Hello,
I found them using Charles b 1886 with mother Alice- they are there as Karanagh though Mariam on Ancestry. ???
best wishes
heywood
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thanks very much. x maria
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Hi Pip - thanks for all your information - i did not know of the marriage - sent you a p.m. yesterday - did you receive it ?
regards
Maria m
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Hi
I have read the posts re Alice green with interest. My Grandmother Elizabeth Rossney ne Green was born in Ballyfad in April 1882. she was one of 7 children of Patrick Green of Ballyfad and his wife Elizabeth Kinsella from the adjacent townland of Newtown. According to the 1911 census Patrick was born 1853 and his wife Elizabeth was born Dec 1842.
On the 25-9-1873 Patrick Green & Bessie Kinsella, were married in Johnstown, Arklow, Rathdrum, Co. Wicklow. (Inch Civil Parish = Arklow RC Parish) Pat Green was described as full age, Batchelor, Farmer Ballyfad. Father John Green dead farmer.
Elizabeth Kinsella, full age Spinster farmer's dau. Newtown. Father John Kinsella alive farmer. Witnesses were Michael Green and Ellen Kinsella.
I suspect your Alice Green could be Pat's sister and Michael above probably his brother but I need facts to prove this. Do you have any other information on any of Pat's siblings or his mother ?
If any reader has any information on the Greens or Elizabeth Kinsellas siblings I would love to hear from you.
I would be grateful for any information which might help my family research,
Thank you
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Sorry for the delay in my reply. I have only few details on alice green at present. 1911 census - alice green born Ballyfad 1850. Marriage to Andreas (andrew) Kavanagh 26 aug 1866 (arklow parish marriage records) his father james labourer - her father john farmer. First child Margaret born 1867 Coolgreany Wexford (IGI). Family moved to Widnes following year and andrew died in 1891. Family then moved to Lancashire by 1901. Alice is buried in accrington cemetery (unmarked). Does this help ?
regards
Mariam
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I have been doing a little more research on my grandmother's family but have not found much more on the older history.
I note from your information that Alice was born in Ballyfad 1850 and her father was John Green
My Great grandfather Pat Green was born in Ballyfad 1853 and his father was John.
1853 John Green was only Green tennant listed in Ballyfad, ref. Griffith's evaluation.
So unless there were two Johns in Ballyfad 1850 and one of them gone in 1853, which I think very very unlikely then, I believe it is safe to assume that Alice and Pat were brother and sister. [which would make Alice my great grandaunt]
Would like to hear your comments and any further information that any one might have on this family.
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Currently there are three separate discussions covering the Coolgreany/Ballyfad area and in some instances the same families are being mentioned. So hopefully this is helpful!!
“Fanning's of Cullenogue” (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,392446.0.html) and “Coolgreany Evictions” (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,405559.0.html)
I am also re-posting the following which is a list of farms on the “Brooke Estate” from which tenants were evicted in July 1887, under "Plan Of Campaign"
Askinch, Lr. - John Dunne
Gurteen Up, - Julia Byrne
Rathpierce, Lr - Bridget Lennehan, Thos. Kearnes
Croughan, Mid - Thos. Darcey, Wm. Graham, Rich. Graham, Stephen Maher
Croghan, Up - Rich. Graham, Pat. Kinsella, Ed. Mulligan, Jane Sinnott, Philip Maher
Askinch, Lr.- P. McCarthy, J. Kennedy, Maria Clancy
Newtown, Up - M.Kinsella
Newtown, Lr - M.Kinsella
Barrack Croghan - J. Kinsella, Pat Darcy, T. Kinsella, T. Kinsella No 2, S. Maher, T. Darcy
Rathpierce, Lr - J. Butler
Gurteen Up, - John Doyle
Gurteen Lr, - Jas. M'Carthy
Fortchester Upper - Pat Grennell
Fortchester Lower - Pat Grennell, Terrence Toole
Newtown Lr. - Pat Kavanagh
Oulart - Thos Lennehan, Jas. Byrne
Monereagh - Jas Garvey
Knockgreany - Somon Moran, Michael Darcy, Patrick Greene, Patrick Greene
Monereagh - Chris Murray
Newtown Lr. - Laurence Kehoe
Coolgreany Demesne - John Doyle
Knockbaun - Bd O'Rafferty
Fortchester Lower - Jno M'Daniel
Coolgreany - Mce Kavanagh
Glenogue, Nth - Wm. Kennedy
Knockgreany - John Conway
Knockgreany - Bd. O'Rafferty
Croghan, Mid - Owen Kinsella
Rathpierce, Hill - Pat Fanning
Moneyribbon - Edw Bergin, Bridget Fitzwilliam, Pat Kehoe
Glenogue - Myles Donnelly, Stephen Mahon, Dan. M'Daniel, Michael Kehoe, M. Redmond, Pat Kehoe, Thomas Ford (Winnifred Kennedy, Ml. Kavanagh, Thos Kennedy, Michael Ryan, James Kenny
Ballyfad - Pat Darcy
Oulart - Pat Darcy, Pat Darcy, John Doyle
Ballyfad - John Doyle
Regards
John
Moderators Comment: post reformatted to shorten length and links fixed.
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May be of interest, on the Tithe Defaulters List for the parish of Kilnenor I have the following Kavanagh’s
Bryan Kavanagh Palace
Darby Kavanagh Palace
John Kavanagh Palace
Peter Kavanagh Palace
Widow Kavanagh Tomcoyle
James Kavanagh Tomcoyle
Arthur Kavanagh Ballyconbare
Patrick Kavanagh Rathpierce
Andrew Kavanagh Rathpierce
Andrew Jr KavanaghRathpierce
The Rathpierce Kavanagh’s which is neighbouring Ballyfad are my ancestors. Patrick is my Great Great Grand Father born 1786 and died 05 May 1864 in Ballyshaun (Ballyshane). It is my guess Andrew is his brother but have no documented proof yet.
What is interesting is the naming pattern of my family and those posted by a previous poster.
thepip:
Andrews father was James Kavanagh
Children:
Margaret 1867 - Coolgreaney, Wexford
Catherine 1868 - " "
Alice 1871 - Dublin
James 1874 - Widnes, Lancs
Thomas 1877 - "
Annie 1879 - "
Patrick 1881 - "
John 1883 - "
Charles 1886 - "
Family of Patrick Kavanagh My GGGFather;
Patrick
Thomas,
James,
Ellenor,
Charles,
Christopher
Kindest
John G.
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Hi Maria,
Have an Alice Green and Andrew Kavanagh interred in Kilnenor Cemetery.
Kilnenor Cemetery
GREEN
Two headstones side by side, a) left and b) right:
a) Here lies the body of Susan Green who depd this life Jan 1807 aged67 years.
b) Here lies the body of Daniel Green depd this life the 29th Aug 1778 aged 70 years also his wife Alice Green Depd this life Aug 12th 1782 agd 60 yrs.
KAVANAGH
Erected by Mary Kavanagh of Rathpierce in memory of her beloved Andrew Kavanagh who depd this life Oct 9th aged 64 years. Also her dearly beloved and affectionate son Andrew Kavanagh who depd this life March 12th 1842 ln the 30th year of his age.
Regards
John
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Hello John - thanks for all that information. Perhaps these are the previous generation ? Andrew Kavanagh moved with his wife Alice Green to Widnes in
1868/9 and died aged 48 in Widnes 1891. Alice moved to Accrington and died
in 1913 - have death certs for both.
regards
Maria
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Hi Maria
I have just come across two references for Simon Greene and Simon CREANE, both of Knockgreany. Simon was a United Irishman and a soldier with Anthony Perry. I think his father was Michael Greene/CREANE who had the livery stable in Coolgreany for coach travellers on their way to wexford in 1770!
Try looking for CREANE as well!
All the best
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Thanks Kath - that's very interesting - I will certainly take a look
at that.
Maria
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I have read with great interest the posts mentioning Andrew Kavanagh. My GGGrandfather was named Andrew Kavanagh. All I know about him is that he was married to Mary Brien. They had at least 2 children, James and Jane. James was born in 1832 and married Mary Boulger in Ballymore Eustace, Co. Kildare. James died in Gorey, Co. Wexford in 1889. I also believe that my GGGrandfather, Andrew, moved from Co. Kildare to Co. Wexford. Any suggestions on how and where to try to find more information about Andrew would be deeply appreciated as I am at a brickwall.
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Can you email me privately and I will give you a good website to try. I am not allowed to post on this reply.
Thanks
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Thanks
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Can I just advise - the Andrew Kavanagh mentioned in this thread married
Alice Green 1866 Arklow and moved to England (Widnes) in 1868.
He died in Jan 1891 Widnes and is buried there. Original docs have been
crosschecked.
regards
Maria M
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My Gt Gt grandmother was a Bridget Kavanagh born around 1824 in the Arklow area perhaps Rathdrum, Wicklow, I have her marriage lines from Irish Roots, but it doesn' show who her parents were. She married a John Martin, and they had 12 children, I have all of their baptism cert's from Irish Roots (IHF) they also moved to Widnes around 1870's. I am wondering if there is a connection here to Andrew Kavanagh? I know they were related to the Doyle family, most of the children settled around Victoria Street, Widnes. Any information would help, thanks Pauline
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Hi - My Andrew Kavanagh married Alice Green in Arklow Wicklow in 1866 - parish records online. His father is named as James. Their first child Margaret was born in Ballyfad Wexford in 1867. Margaret's birth cert shows that a Catherine Kavanagh was present at the birth - i am not sure if this was andrew's sister ? Andrew was born in 1841 BUT I do not know anymore - cannot be even sure if he was born in Wicklow or Wexford. They moved to Widnes during 1868 and had 7 more children. Andrew died in Widnes in 1891. The family were living in Catherine St on 1891 census and then moved to Accrington later. I would love to know more about the Kavanaghs.
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My gt gt grandmother Bridget Kavanagh was born about 1825 in Ireland, so it's doubtful she could be Andrew's sister as he was born much later, could be an aunt though, they seem to have moved to Widnes around the same time. Bridget Kavanagh married John Martin on 15/11/1841 at Wicklow, she died on 30/12/1878 at 9 Walmsley Street, the names of the witnesses on their children's baptisms included a Patrick, Michael, James and Mary Kavanagh, there were different spelling variations ,i.e. Cavanagh. I found who I think is your Andrew and Alice on the 1881 census, under the name Cavanagh at 63 Church Street. Margaret 13yrs born in Ireland, the other children all born in Widnes, Catherine 12yrs, Alice 10, James 7, Thomas 4, Annie,and Patrick 1 wk.
There were also other Cavanagh's in Widnes, a John living at 74 Oxford Street Widnes in 1871 and a Charles living at 8 Midwood Street, Widnes in 1891, thanks for your help with this, sometimes we can get a little clue :) Pauline
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hello - yes they are mine at Church st in 1881 ! Perhaps your Bridget was an aunt. I would love to find andrew's birth place - do you know Bridget's and if so where did you find it ?
Maria M
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Hi
The book Irish Family History is all about families who lived in the Coolgreany Demesne and includes some references to the Coolgreany Evictions.
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A daughter Margaret of Andrew & Alice Kavanagh (née) Green, Glenogue
DOB -Surname - 1st Name - 1st Name Father - Surname Mother - 1st Name Mother -Location - Sponsor 1 -Sponsor 2
1867 06 29 - Kavanagh - Margaret - Andrew - Green - Alice - Glenogue - Allen Pat - Kenny Mary
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This corresponds with the birth certificate I hv for Margaret. I'm interested in yr connection as I hv other docs. We are direct descendants of Margaret's brother patrick
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I have found a Judith Green/e who married a John Kavanagh. They had a John Kavanagh. Judith was dau of Simon Green/e of Knockgreany. I was wondering if their son John was the one who was shot during the Coolgreany Evictions of 1887. I guess they were all linked in one way or another. It may well be another generation.
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How did you find your Judith ?? I've researched as much as I can without paying out. I've struggled with the new records brought out in 2015 ?