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Hi, I am trying to find birth details, family etc for my G Grandfather Thomas PAICE.
What I Know so far:
Thomas Emigrated to Australia in 1852. Ship - Cossipore, Passenger list dated 14/6/1852, listed as gentleman, age 28(1824) bound for Port Phillip (also stopped at Portland Bay, Vic). Aust Vic unassisted passengers listed arrival Oct 1852.
Marriage Certificate- 1858 Crowlands, Vic, Aust. married to Mary Ann Harvey. Gives father as William Paice, (Farmer) and mother as Mary surname unknown. Thomas age 32 (1826)
Son's birth certificate - shows Thomas (father) age 42 (1826) b. Basingstoke.
Death Notice - Thomas Paice d. 1890, Stawell, Vic, Aust. Age 66 (1824) Landed Portland, Vic. Native of Basingstoke.
1841 UK Census - Possible links - HO/385/2/Pg20 London St Basingstoke - Thomas Paice age 15, b. Basingstoke, M/Y, at home/business of William Houghton, Grocer. - Also HO107/385/3/Pg7&8 Winchester st, Basingstoke - possible parents and siblings William age 45 cabinetmaker and Mary age 45 four children Ellen age 14, Henrietta Age 11, George age 9 & William age 6. (Fathers occupation differs from that on Thomas's marriage certificate)
I have ended up at a dead end, need help please.
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Hi Full :)
What was Thomas's occupation?
Trish
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Take a look at this website for Hampshire - Basingstoke - London Street Independent Batch C077471 http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~hughwallis/
His age in 1841 is likely to have been 'rounded down' to nearest 5.
William PAICE married Mary HEADING 22 FEB 1816 Basingstoke.
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IGI has birth/ baptism of Thomas PAICE;
Birth, 30 April 1823
Christened ,19 October 1823,
London Street Independant,Basingstoke,Hampshire
Parents William PAICE and Mary HEADING
Remember census could be under Pace also/still looking ;)
Trish
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Having said that have found a William PAICE, wife Sarah in Basingstoke. Occp DAIRYMAN
1851 Census HO107/1669/891/22
Maybe Mary died and he remarried?
trish
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There is a death for a Mary Paice ,Basingstoke June 1846 and a marriage of a William on Freebmd Sept. 1846, on same page Sarah CARTER.
I could be wrong here but looks a possibility ???
Trish
Sorry,have to go off-line for a couple of hours unexpectedly, but will still be logged on.
DEEJAY :) Maybe you can try and find William/Mary 1841 please
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I think Full mentions the only contenders in his first posting. The burials will be significant here as I can't see any other likely candidates in 1841. The couple with the young William aged 5 in 1841 appear to be the William & Mary that married in 1816.
I'm at a disadvantage as I don't have access to the 1851 Census.
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Ok will run with that one then;
From the 1841, William and Mary are 45;
Children at home;
Ellen 14
Henrietta 11
George 9
William 6
1851 Census HO107/1681/159/10
47 Winchester St
Basingstoke,Hampshire
Charles PAICE,head,unm,33,auctioneer and estate agent
MARY PAICE,Mother,widow,56
Ellen HEADING Paice,sister,unm,21
William Paice,brother,unm,15,upholsterers apprentice
Harriet Simpson,servant,unm,22,house servant,born Pamber
All born Basingtoke except servant.
So William has passed away.
Definitely right family as 1841Census/Marriage of Mary Heading and William Paice.
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Baptisms;
Parents William PAICE and Mary, all at London Street Independant, Basingstoke, Hampshire
CHARLES, 04 August 1817
MARY ANN, 18 September 1818
SARAH WILLS, 16 November 1821
THOMAS, 19 October 1823
ELIZA, 29 May 1825
HELLEN HEADING, 05 August 1827 (this must be Ellen)
JANE, 15 February 1829
HENRIETTA, 23 May 1830
GEORGE, 31 March 1833
WILLIAM, 12 July 1835
Birth/Baptism of WILLIAM PAICE Snr;
William PAICE,
Birth, 16 February 1792
Christening, 26 April 1792
Parents WILLIAM and MARY
Sibling;
George PAICE, christened October 1789, details same as above.
Marriage;
William PAICE
Mary WIGG
11 December 1788, Basingstoke,Hampshire
All extracted records
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There are several deaths of a William Paice, Bassingstoke 1841-1851 to pick out conclusive one as ages are not shown.
Trish
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1841 Census HO107/385/6/Basingstoke
Basingstoke
Mary PAICE, 80, independant,born in county
Charles Paice, 20, auctioneer, born in county
Charlotte Geddin, F.S., born in county
So Charles was with Grandma Mary Wigg/Paice1841 :D
Very lucky to have such detail on 1841 census
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Hi Trish & Dee-Jay
Thanks for all the info so far. I had found out about Mary HEADING but I was not sure of the link and wanted to see if you came to the same conclusion. I felt that Thomas was part of the William Paice and Mary Heading family but couldn't confirm the link as it appears he was down the road at the Haughton's place at census time in 1841.
In the 1841 census I also found Charles age 20 (Olderest brother) living with Mary age 80 most likely his grandmother which lines up with your findings Trish of Mary WIGG (Wigg rings a bell, I have come across it before, I will check).
Trish, you asked about Thomas's occupation. On his marriage certificate it is a bit hard to read but looks like Ground Keeper. His death notice says he arrived in Portland, Vic with sheep for the Henrys, then notes that he was a gold miner in the stawell area and later took up land in the district.
Some other information I have found was in the 1861 Census. RG 9/460 at 186 Park Road, Richmond, Surrey was Elizabeth M Paice age 29, Widow, Proprietor Houses. He five children living with her were all born in Basingstoke. Visitors at the house at census time were Agnes Glover aged 15 and Ester Hayes aged 23. These names of Hayes and Glover led me to believe that Elizabeth was married to one of Thomas's brother because these names were the middle names of two girls from Thomas's children in Australia. I searched for Charles on the marriage records that would have been married after census of 1851 and before 1853 (birth of first child, Charles) I found a Charles married 1851, so I sent away for the birth certificate which confirmed that Charles Paice b.1818 Auctioneer, living at Winchester St Basingstoke, father William, upholsterer, married Elizabeth Mary Hayes b. 1831, living at Andover. Witnesses at the marriage were Mary Ann Paice (mother) H.Paice (Probably Henrietta, sister) and C.H. Paice (don't know)
Thats all a bit long winded. I have had a picture of the family group but I just need to confirm the link of Thomas into this family. The names all look right. I will review all the info you have sent and maybe we can validate it all. The thing I got stuck on was that on Thomas's marriage certificate it states that his father's occupation was a farmer and in the 1841 census it says he was a cabinet maker also on Charles's marriage certificate it says is father was an upholsterer.
Looking through the Death Index today: Oct/Nov/Dec 1848 I found William Paice, Basingstoke Vol 7, Pg 50 (probably Thomas's father)
So confused, Rob
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Your not the only one confused ;D
It all seems to tie up except for occupations.
Trish
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Don't ever take anything on a certificate as 'gospel', especially after arrival in a new country!
What sounds better to impress a bride and/or her family: farmer or upholsterer? He arrived with sheep and probably aspired to being a farmer. It appears he also 'fiddled' with his age if arriving in 1852 aged 32: by my calculation that would have given a birth year of 1820!
I have a similar experience of a market trader/gardener operating a family greengrocer stalll in a West Midlands city market: travelling to USA he also aspired to the occupation of 'farmer'. Fortunately for me, in border crossings a brother appeared earlier in the list and both gave their married sister, an earlier emigrant, as their contact.
Although there is as yet no 'conclusive' proof in the PAICE links, the subsequent names of Thomas's issue might just tip the balance of probability. Alternatively, we might have to search for those named Thomas missing from farming families in other North Hampshire districts close to Basingstoke [eg Pamber, Dummer, etc].
Next time at HRO I'll check out the post-1837 Basingstoke burials and, possibly, marriages of likely siblings to see if Thomas appeared as a witness.
Update:
The marriage witness Mary Ann was more likely sister to Charles. Can you please advise the name of the church[?] where the marriage was performed so that I know where to start? Was the certificate obtained from the GRO and, if so, was it a printed extract or a hand-written copy? If I can locate the original in a Parish Register there could be clearer signatures.
Is there no record of a likely Thomas in the 1851 UK Census?
Listed in the HRO online catalogue [aka CALM Database] there are a couple of interesting wills, particularly for William PAICE 1829 and 1843 Cabinet Maker & Upholsterer of Basingstoke. I'll take a look at my next visit. There are also other interesting documents [search for William Paice at http://calm.hants.gov.uk/DServe/ ].
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Hi Dee-Jay
Thanks for all your help :) and encouragement. Just waking up, Sunday morning 8:00am in Brisbane, Australia.
Just a correction to start - I put the wrong age on Thomas at his arrival in Australia, :-[ it was 28 not 32, which would give him DOB of 1824 or 1823.
Marriage Certificate: Charles and Mary. I bought a registered copy from GRO, hand written copy.
Application No. COL361191, 4th Sept 1851 at the Independent Chapel in the Parish of Andover, Southampton.
Charles Paice, 33, Bachelor, Auctioneer, Winchester St, Basingstoke. Father: William Paice - Upholsterer.
Elizabeth Mary Hayes, 20, Spinster, no rank/profession, High St, Andover. Father: Edward Hayes - Draper.
Witnesses: Edward Hayes, William ?anner (can't read first letter, could be V) Mary Ann Paice, H.Paice, C.H.Paice
I went through the 1851 census and couldn't find a Thomas that would fit, I will check again.
Again, thanks for the help, looking more positive.
Rob
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Hmmm. I can't see that HRO holds registers for the Andover Independent Chapel but I will endeavour to track down the Marriages Register if held locally. I have a feeling that the last signature might be E.H. PAICE, which beggars the question, where was Thomas if his younger siblings were being recorded as witnesses?
Unfortunately, if the Independent Chapels had their own burial grounds, we may be facing similar problems locating burials.
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Hi Full,
I have been looking for Thomas in 1851 and came upon a couple of Charles Wedding witnesses ;D
1851 Census HO107/1681/196/2
8 Wote Street
Basingstoke,Hampshire
William VANNER, 28, head,m, Miller/corn dealer, employing 2 men, born Guildford Surrey
Eliza , 25, wife, m, born Basingstoke
William.T, 2, son
James.C., 1, son
Mary.E, 1mth, daug All born Basingstoke
MARY ANN PAICE, 32, unm, sister-in-law, visitor, Basingstoke
Mary.A.Watmore, 19, servant
Mary Rampton, 14, servant
Marriage;
Eliza PAICE
William VANNER
September 1847
Basingstoke
7 103
Trish
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Death;
Mary Ann PAICE
March 1884
Basingstoke, 2c 121
Aged 65 ( born c. 1819)
Marriage;
Sarah Wills PAICE
September 1842
Basingstoke 7 121
3 grooms on page but think with name mentioned before it will be William GLOVER. Havent checked yet but Agnes must be their daughter ;)
Ellen Heading PAICE married March 1868, Basingstoke to either Mr Schoobraid, Albino or Frewin-should be easy to trace!!
Trish
EDIT; Ellen married John SCHOOLBRAID and is in Aldershot on 1871 Census under SCHOOLBUND . It does not even have John transcribed but he is on actual image, born Scotland + son aged 7.
RG10/816/105/49.
That is the only census she appears on as a married woman.
Death;
Ellen Heading SCHOOLBRAID
December 1875
Farnham 2a 59
Aged 48 ( c.1826)
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Hi Full,
I have got quite fond of you Paice family :) and have been following them around on census data.
Henrietta, born 1830 seems to like staying with people also. In 1861 she is with sister Eliza Vanner, but family is transcribed as Farmer ::)
I found a marriage 1884 for her and yes she married quite late in life;
Henrietta PAICE
Richard DEACON
June 1884
Basingstoke 2c 374
Appears on 1891/1901 Census with Richard in Caversham, Oxfordshire and died March 1910, Henley, 3a 532, aged 79
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1861 William GLOVER Widower 42 Plumber & Painter empl 12 men + 1 boy at London Street, Basingstoke with 7 children and sister-in-law Mary Ann PAICE + others.
[RG09 piece 708 folio 35 page 25]
Was no-one commemorating Thomas?
It appears GLOVER & PAICE were connected by more than marriage for they were the Auctioneers of the Old Basingstoke Town Hall [see http://www3.hants.gov.uk/print/museum/willis-museum/basingstoke-town-hall.htm]
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Hi Ladies,
Wow, you certainly have found a lot of information. :)
I think we can confirm that Thomas belongs to the William Paice and Mary Heading family.
It was great to find William Paice and Mary Wigg, now its a challenge to go back further.
I am amazed with some of the info you gathered, how do you track it all down, very impressive.
I believe two of Thomas's brothers may have come to Australia. I have immigration records of:
- George Paice, age 25 (1833) arrived Victoria, 1858, Ship - Morning Light. I have a death certificate for George, 1864, Age 29 (1835) at Ararat, Vic. Record says he was single, parents unknown. Ararat was the same area where Thomas lived in Australia.
- William H Paice, age 26 (1834) arriving Victoria 1860, Ship - William Kirk. The Pioneer Index of Vic records a William Paice marriage to Mary Shaw in 1862 Regno 2152. I will have to send away for the Certificate or maybe I can buy online. So far I haven't found any descendants from William.
Thanks again ;D
Rob
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Hi Rob,
We all enjoy the chase :)
Have you tried the Australian board for info on the possible descendants of William Paice ?
Trish
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I think we can confirm that Thomas belongs to the William Paice and Mary Heading family.
I wish I could find supporting evidence!
The Will of William PAICE HRO ref: 1829A/51 Cabinet Maker of Basingstoke mentions wife Mary, and sons George & William.
Although he had held a fair bit of property, including business premises which had passed to his sons, his remaining estate was sworn not to amount to £300. [Burial 31 Jan 1829 aged 62]
The Will of William PAICE 1843A/090 Cabinet Maker & Upholsterer mentions wife Mary, brother George, son Charles and other children [presumed females] not mentioned by name! Admon was granted to Charles, the surviving executor, 17 Nov 1843, amount under £3,000.
Charles died 10 Dec 1860 and his Will mentions wife Elizabeth Mary; Cousin Henry Shepherd PAICE of Curridge [Chieveley] in the County of Berks, Gent., [Uncle George's son]; Brother-in-law Edward HAYES junr of Andover, Draper; and mother Mary PAICE. Effects under £4,000. This Will was on faded microfilm and very difficult to read. However, if Thomas had survived I would have expected a mention in his father's and/or brother's will. At my next visit to HRO I will request to view the original document that was filmed in order to discount the possibility I might have missed other names, which I doubt.
Amongst the Basingstoke burials:
02 Oct 1824 Thomas PAICE 2 yrs 7 mos
21 Feb 1829 Jane PAICE 3 wks
On 01 Aug 1862 Mrs Charles PAICE's request was agreed that her name be transferred from London St Congregational Church, Basingstoke, to the books of the ch. worshipping in East St., Andover.
I think we should widen the net to include other parishes on the North Hants/Berkshire borders. There is someone doing a one-name study on the PAICEs who might have encountered some interesting records.
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Hi Dee-Jay,
Doesn't look good for poor old Thomas does it :(
There has got to be a link to the family somewhere, Thomas named two of his children:
- Nelly Glover Paice b1863, Greatwestern, Vic, Aust.
- Bessie Hayes Paice b1866, Greatwestern, Vic, Aust
Bessie died in 1867, then later they had another girl and named her Bessie Hayes Paice b.1877, Pleasant Creek, Vic, Aust, near Greatwestern.
I was just speaking to one of my cousins (who we found through information gained on RootChat) and she had information on a William Paice and Mary Heath, married 1803. She doesn't know the source. Would seem a bit of a gap to Thomas b.1824/26
Your help has been much appreciated.
Rob
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Henrietta, born 1830 seems to like staying with people also. In 1871 she is with sister Eliza Vanner, but family is transcribed as Farmer ::)
I'm a bit mystified with this. I have her housekeeping for a cousin at Leckhampstead [RG10 piece 1252 folio 7 page 5]. I have William & Eliza VANNER + children at St Giles, Reading [RG10 piece 1283 folio 63 page 26]
I agree, Rob, it's too much of a coincidence for Thomas not to fit in with the family. It might be worthwhile checking that the surname PAICE has not been mistranscribed as PRICE in 1851. I submitted loads of 1861 corrections to findmypast.com overnight.
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Hi dee jay,
Let me de-mystify it for you :) I made a mistake and you are correct. I should have said 1861 Cenus :-[
RG9/748/101/12
I will amend the post. Sorry for the confusion. You are doing an amazing job on this posting :)
Cheers,
Trish
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Hi Full,
There is a marriage on the IGI for a William Paice to Mary HEATH, 26 September 1803, Baughurst, Hampshire.
Having said that have not found any children born to them with my resources
trish.
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Let me de-mystify it for you :) I made a mistake and you are correct. I should have said 1861 Cenus :-[ RG9/748/101/12
Many thanks, Trish. FindMyPast had VANNER as BRUNZ and Henrietta as Martha, so I'd never have found them without the reference!
Rob, I had another look at the Wills of William who died 1843 and Charles who died 1860 and neither mentions Charles' siblings by name. However, it is clear from the wording in William's Will that there were under-age males and females for whom provision was made for legacies payable when they attained the age of 21. Thomas should have been eligible to receive £300 in April 1844, so I'm now wondering if he ventured overseas previously and returned to the UK to collect those sheep .......... If he doesn't turn up somewhere in 1851, it might explain his absence? Is anything more known about where he acquired the animals? Also, was he described as a bachelor at marriage?
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I Dee-Jay,
Thomas's marriage certificate in Australia doesn't give the provision for "bachelor" being entered. Entry states:
Thomas Paice, Ground Keeper, age 32, Greatwestern, Ararat, Father - William Paice, farmer. Mother - Mary Unknown.
& Mary Ann Harvey, Living with her mother, age 22, Crowlands. Father - Thomas Harvey, mechanic. Mother - Caroline Derry.
Married 30th Sept 1858, Crowlands, Vic.
Witnesses: James Harvey, Lance Hamelet (Hard to read this last name)
The reference on Thomas's death notice "Landed Portland with sheep for the Hentys" (1852) is a bit of a strange one. The Hentys were Agriculturalists and Pasturealists who developed Portland Bay and north and brought sheep from England. The shipping passenger list says Thomas was bound for Port Phillip but appears to have disembarked at Portland on the way.
Greatwestern where Thomas settled was about 150km NW of Portland.
I don't know any more.
Rob
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Rob
A contact at the former Andover Independent Chapel suggests that the old registers were deposited with the Registrar General, so it's not possible to view the originals for witnesses' signatures locally.
Apart from pursuing records in Australia, the only other option I can think of is to obtain a marriage certificate of one of the two girls who married in Basingstoke District in the 1840s. The best bet would be 1842 Sarah Wills PAICE as Thomas born 1823 would not yet have received his legacy giving him freedom to roam. If she married in the Basingstoke or other Independent Chapel, there is a possibility that Thomas might have witnessed the ceremony, as the Independents favoured multiple witnesses.
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Thomas's marriage certificate in Australia doesn't give the provision for "bachelor" being entered. Entry states:
Thomas Paice, Ground Keeper, age 32, Greatwestern, Ararat
A load of new references to Names in Victoria Government Gazettes have been added to the findmypast.com website [pay per view]. There are many entries between 1861-1874 for PAICE [T./Thos/Thomas] listed in subjects from Poundkeepers; Title Deeds; Licences; to Gold Mining Shareholders. The material has been provided by The Genealogical Society of Victoria.
I searched on 'Google' for Thomas Paice - Ararat and found an earlier Gazette of 1858 recording his impoundings of horses which would be sold on 20 October if not claimed and expenses paid. [Beware of the defective scanning which shows the year 1853.]
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Hi dee-jay
Poundkeeper, didn't know of this occupation.
Interesting reading though the Gazette references, thanks for that.
Looked at the marriage certificate, yes it does say Poundkeeper. I was having trouble with the first letter P, but once you said poundkeeper it was obvious. Thats experience for you, I am continually amazed at the information you find and knowing where to look.
I will spend some money and look through the references on findmypast.com.
Rob :)
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Rob,
Before you spend money, take a look at this 'freebie' which will give you pretty much the same info for free but you can also browse the actual pages for all the references! http://gazette.slv.vic.gov.au/
Search for Paice and note the last reference to T.Paice relates to page 388 and not 383.
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On my last visit to HRO I had a look at Basingstoke Parish Register for burials but did not encounter other than already reported for 'your' PAICE family, leading me to believe there must have been a burial ground and/or burial register for the London Street Independents.
I also had a look at the marriages in the Parish Register and noted A. & M. CASTON witnesses, with H[?] HEADING, to the marriage of William PAICE & Mary HEADING 22 Feb 1816 by Licence. A subsequent check on the Hugh Wallis' website found that Thomas CASTON had married Jemima WIGG 12 Jun 1788 Basingstoke, so the CASTON witnesses appear to have been William's cousins. Thomas CASTON, Ironmonger aged 50, was listed in the 1841 Census in the same premises as William & Mary PAICE.
Of the other PAICE direct links, only this marriage featured in the post-1837 Basingstoke Parish Register:
No 112 by Licence 09 Jan 1868
John SHOOLBRAID [sgd] Widr Dr of Medicine of Aldershot, son of John SHOOLBRAID Clerk in Orders
Ellen Heading PAICE Spin'r dau of William PAICE Upholsterer
Witnesses: William GLOVER; Henrietta PAICE; Fanny GLOVER.
Ellen's surname for death registration is also recorded SHOOLBRAID [not Schoolbraid].
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Paice/Pace names are around in the Alresford area and in Northington,Hampshire..not that far from Basingstoke.
I have Lydia Paice in my tree, bapt.1737 in Preston Candover, Hampshire..parents John Paice and Susannah Yalden (m.1724 in Brown Candover)
Re-reading the thread, I doubt this will help you, but I also find myself hooked in looking for this family!!!
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Thanks dee-jay for continuing the search for Thomas's family. Where to from here? :-\
You mentioned that someone was doing a one name study on the Paice family, do you have a contact?
I have been doing a one name study on the Paice family in Australia and so far have about 15 separate trees but no mutual ancestors. All originate from the UK, mostly in the Hampshire area. I have been able to link a few groups into present UK families, KT4U is one of the contacts on RootsChat site.
I went through and read all the hits on the Vict. Gazette site for Thomas:
Seemed to have a very turbulent life, 1858 appointed Poundkeeper, 1861 Insolvent - listed as poundkeeper but must have had his own thing going, possibly mining, 1863 Discharged insolvent, 1865 appointed General Inspector, 1867 appointed Poundkeeper, 1874 Insolvent again - listed as a Hotel Keeper, 1875 Discharged insolvent.
Building up a picture. Thanks again for all your help, :) like scriv2 says, "find myself hooked in looking for this family" Rob.
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I'm always interested in 'sleuthing' the North Hampshire parishes, where I have personal interests, and I'm keen to research records of Nonconformist families who ventured into the wider world and whose descendants wish to find their 'roots' in the UK. I find it quite fascinating and I'm very fortunate to live in close proximity to HRO where I can easily access many records.
So far as this particular PAICE family is concerned, I feel satisfied that we have established the link of emigrant Thomas to his siblings baptized at Basingstoke London Street Independent Chapel. I'd feel even more confident if we could find Thomas recorded just once as a marriage witness to one of his sisters prior to emigration, but that entails the purchase of another certificate from the GRO.
I established contact with Tom ATKINS [now that's a wonderful name for a 'Brit'!] but it appears that much of his Basingstoke PAICE research emanated from you, Rob, so the ball's back in your court.
In the meantime, I've typed up the Gazette entries relating to Thomas PAICE's public appointments and also an Excel sheet showing the Table of Rates for fining owners of strays impounded at Concongella. If you'd like copies forwarded to you, you can post your personal email address via PM here. If I were you, I'd be very interested in pursuing mentions of Thomas in the Minute Books of the Stawell Shire Council as the original notice of the appointment as General Inspector was superceded with particular responsibilities only a few months later, and the 1867 job title 'Inspector of Revenue and Nuisances' sounds very grand!
As you've probably spotted, Local Government history is another of my interests, so it's good to get an insight into the practices of a colony regulated by statutes passed by a distant British Government.
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Hey,
I am new to this history search. I know next to nothing about my mothers side of the family and I want to put together something before my grandmother gets much older. Below is a brief description of what little I know, I have read all of your comments and I am wondering if their is any likely hood of a connection somewhere. ???
My Grandmother said that her family never talked about their family's past so information is limited. someone contacted her late brother years ago and asked if he would contribute information as they were putting together a family tree, but unfortunately he declined.
There were five Paice brothers Three of which were enlisted in WW1. There parents were; George Thomas and Elizabeth Paice, native of Richmond Victoria.
They had 5 sons.
1. Fred Paice- Chief petty officer - Age 16
2. Bill Paice - Light horse
3. Harry Paice - ran away and joined WW1 at 16 - Served on western front, "25th machine"Harry Paice - January 1915 France and Belgium
4. Jim Paice - Married with one daughter
5. Charles Edward Paice
Charlie - was a Christian chaplain who hoped to become a Methodist Minister after the war but unfortunately he died in Gallipoli at age 21. - reports Gallipoli Graveyards state: PRICE, private, Charles Edward, 2006. 7th Bn. Australian Infantry, A.I.F killed in action 8th - 9th August 1915. Age 24. Son of George Thomas and Elizabeth PAICE. Native of Richmond, Victoria, Australia. Sp.Mem.14
August 15th 1915 he wrote a letter "greater love has .................?"
Private of the 5th re-informant, 7th platoon.
Note the name change of the last name.
William Albert Paice- 01/06/1881 - Richmond VIC
George Paice - 18/06/87 (Nana's father) - Burnlee Melbourne VIC
Thats it, thats all I have to work with. Apparently their was an article about the paice brothers, my mother was given it but threw it away, (GOD help me! ;D) I haven't located the source of the article yet.
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Charlie - was a Christian chaplain who hoped to become a Methodist Minister after the war but unfortunately he died in Gallipoli at age 21. - reports Gallipoli Graveyards state: PRICE, private, Charles Edward, 2006. 7th Bn. Australian Infantry, A.I.F killed in action 8th - 9th August 1915. Age 24. Son of George Thomas and Elizabeth PAICE. Native of Richmond, Victoria, Australia. Sp.Mem.14
August 15th 1915 he wrote a letter "greater love has .................?"
Private of the 5th re-informant, 7th platoon.
Charlie, bless him, was quoting from the Bible:
John 15 : 13 'Greater love has no one than this, that he lay down his life for his friends.'
Let's hope that Rob has encountered this branch because the Christian names of several of the boys also feature in his branch.
The Commonwealth War Graves Commission website has Charlie's surname PAICE. There is also another local lad commemorated on their website: Victor Alfred Godfrey PAICE, son of Alfred Robert and May Paice, of 13, Mary Street, Richmond, Victoria. http://www.cwgc.org/
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Thank God for that, I really hope there is a connection.
Its such a shame when family history is not passed down. I have always been a big fan of knowing where my family came from, what they did, how they shaped the people we are today. :D
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Hi jjuba,
I have a fair bit on information on the George Thomas Paice tree, it is the largest Paice group in Australia. I am at work at the moment but I will advise tonight when I get home. From memory George was born in Battersea Surrey, married in the UK and had about 3 children there before emigrating to Australia as a family.
I have the news paper write up on the Paice Boys that went to war, it is a great read. I have a scanned copy if you wish to put your email via PM. It is good that I can be a help to someone else after everyone has been such a help to me. :)
I will post again tonight. Rob
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That's brilliant, Rob!
Just in case these may feature somewhere in your PAICE research, I just found this on an Australian newspaper site concerning lost family contacts extracted from Lloyd's London Weekly Newspaper:
PAICE, Harry, sailed in the Duke of Bucking-
ham from the Royal Albert Docks on 3rd March,
1889, last known address, 170 Nott-street, Port
Melbourne, Victoria. Sister Martha inquires.
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Wow, thanks Rob, that is fantastic. My grandmother will be so happy, she has wanted to know about her family for a long time, as have I.
What do you mean by 'email via PM,' I am very new to the chat room thing?
I am so interested in the story on the paice boys, still can not believe my mother threw it out.
Thanks Tegan
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Hi Tegan,
What a fantastic outcome ;D
To send a PM;
Click on persons user name and a page will load.
Scroll down to send a personal message.
Off you go.
You will get notified when a reply appears.
Cheers,
Trish
I will send you one as practice ;)
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Hi All,
I have sent Tegan info on the Paice Boys in WW1.
dee-jay - the fellow, Victor Alfred Godfrey Paice was the cousin of Charles Edward Paice who died in action at Gallopoli. Victor was killed in action 1916, Pozieres, Somme Sector, France.
Tegan's Paice group descended from George Thomas Paice b.abt 1825/26 Battersea, Surrey. Married 1851 to Charlotte Sarah Roots b.1832 Stepney, Middlesea.
1841 census has George's family at Battersea:
James Paice age 35, wife Sarah age 35. (believe is Sarah Elizabeth Wright)
Children: George age 15, Jane 11, Henry 10, Mary 9, Sarah 1.
Thanks for the Harry Paice record, can't see a link at the moment, but sure he will pop up somewhere.
Rob
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Hi
There is a fine obelisk in our local cemetery (Basingstoke's old town cemetery) to Charles Paice who died 1860 aged 43 and members of his family. I have a couple of photos but can't fathom how to post them here. If you would be interested, contact me and I can email them to you.
Sarah
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I belive my ancestor is George Thomas Paice (d-1899 Melbourne) who married Charlotte Sarah Rootes (d-1902, Brunswick, Melbourne).
Their Daughter Mary married Francis Byrne in 1890 (my great grandparents).
I would like to find out more about their ancestors and happy to chat with any relations.
Cheers,
Matthew.
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Hi my name is Milton Watkins, I have come across a newsprint article you may be interested in, I have an original print of "The Age" in 1915, there is a picture of Private C. E. Paice in the paper, under the heading "Died on Service" Did you know this? Did you want a copy? Please email me at: * i would be happy to chat about it.
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