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Beginners => Family History Beginners Board => Topic started by: Curttom on Friday 12 June 09 00:18 BST (UK)
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Hi,
I am just beginning to trace my ancestors in the Cheshire/Shropshire area.
I know the Nevitt side of my family originated in Whixall and the Stevenson side came from Malpas/Whitchurch.
I was just wondering if anyone on here have a connection with these areas?
Thanks.
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Hi Curttom and welcome to rootschat. :D
Can you give us some full names and dates for the people you are hunting? dates such as birth, deaths, marriages etc will help define your Nevitts.
Have you found any of them on the census?
charlotte
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Thanks for your reply Charlotte,
My grandmother was Margaret Nevitt born Bradley 1884 and I think if I am going down the right line her parents were John born Whixall 1857 and Emily nee Jennings born Whitchurch 1859, John's parents were William and Sarah nee Calcott.
This I have found from the census but as I am new to this I am hoping that I have got it right!
My grandfather was Albert Henry Stevenson born Whitchurch 1885 but I don't seem to be able to get any further with that line. .
I know that when I was born in Tilston, my grandparents also lived there in 1955, (my grandmother died just a few days before I was born).
I also had an uncle in Shocklach.
Unfortunately apart from one cousin, there are no relatives alive as far as I know, so I am not able to speak to anyone re family history.
Thanks for your interest,
Curttom.
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Hi and Welcome, Curtton :)
Albert Henry Stevenson's birth registration is:
December quarter, 1885, Whitchurch South, vol 6a Page 712
His birth certificate will give the names of his parents.
You can order this online at:
http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/
It will cost £7
I used FreeBMD to find the reference - http://www.freebmd.org.uk/
You can get similar information for Margaret Nevitt on that site and for her parents' marriage.
Regards
gadget
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Hi and thanks for the info, gadget.
I am glad I found this site, it has already been very helpful.
Thanks again,
Curttom.
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Glad you're enjoying it :)
I did have a look for your grandfather on the 1891 but couldn't find a really promising one, even using Bert and Harry and Stephenson as alternatives, so I think the birth cert might be the only way of being sure of his parents.
I have ancestors in Shropshire and Cheshire too :) If you need detailed local help, you can ask on the county boards:
Shropshire:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/board,32.0.html
and Cheshire:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/board,6.0.html
Regards
Gadget
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Yes Gadget, I think I might have to order the certificate as I am not having much luck with his parents.
Thanks again, it makes it more difficult with Malpas and Whitchurch being in different counties.
I think that Malpas is more likely to be where Albert was born but I can't be sure. I am going to ring my cousin tonight to see if she has any idea.
Are your ancestors in the same region?
I will also try the county boards, thanks.
Regards
Curttom
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Hi Curttom :)
Mine are borderers - Shropshire/Denbighshire/Cheshire/Flintshire and Montgomeryshire, Merionethshire and Staffordshire thrown in for good measure ::)
They do try to tease us don't they ;D
I didn't see a Malpas birth though :-\
Gadget
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Hi Gadget,
I thought I had problems!
My cousin is going to ring me back tomorrow as she was going out tonight, it is possible that she will be able to confirm a Whitchurch birth for him, but I maybe will send for the certificate anyway.
Why oh why didn't I think to do this when Mum and Dad were alive! It would have been so much easier.
Thanks again anyway,
Curttom.
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December quarter, 1885, Whitchurch South, vol 6a Page 712
Hi Curttom,
Nothing to add at the moment, apart from to say the registration district is Whitchurch, Salop not Whitchurch South to distinquish it from Whitchurch, Hants.
Deryck
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You could have a look at the 1911 census, it is pay to view but Albert Henry, Margaret and family are there together with a Mary.
http://www.1911census.co.uk/
Deryck
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Thanks Deryck,
Regards,
Curttom.
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If you don't want to risk buying the birth cert, their marriage is:
Sept quarter, 1907, Whitchurch S , Vol 6a page 1591
Albert Henry Stevenson and Margaret Nevitt are on the same page
This will give his father's name which would be a step forward :)
Gadget
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Thanks for that Gadget,
How do I find his father's name without buying the certificate though?
Curttom.
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I don't think you can unless we can find him on the 1891 when he would have been quite young or someone might find a baptism record for you :-\
It might be worth doing a global search on Stevenson/Stephenson in Whitchurch on the 1891 and see what comes up. Sometimes I've gone through districts page by page to find ancestors. It's time consuming but you often find someone who has been wrongly indexed.
In the old days (before about 5 years ago) , that's how we had to search :)
Gadget
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There's a possible on the 1891 in Malpas - a Henry Stevenson, aged 4.
RG12/2126 F 18 P 29.
Father is a William, ag lab. other Eliza. All are b. Malpas but it's in the Whitchurch RD.
Do you have access to this or shall I put the details up?
Gadget
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I have just looked in the 1911 census and found them.
It says he was born Oldcastle,Malpas and they are living there too, with Alfred who was my Dad's brother, so we are getting somewhere at last. My Dad was born 1914 so he obviously wouldn't be there. There was an older sister, Alice but she died when she was 2 or 3, my Dad told me she choked on a banana!
This is so compelling!
I can see how you are all hooked!
Curttom.
Just read your new post, I would be grateful if you could put it up please as I have only credits for 1911 census at moment.
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It really seems to be the only one that fits. I've now tried 3 different sites!
Here are the details:
Wychough Lane, Malpas
RG12/2126 F 18 P 29
Stevenson
William, 33, Agricultural labourer
Eliza, 32, b. Ellesmere
John, 9
Edward,7
Sarah A, 5
Henry, 4
Martha, 3
Mary E, 2
Bertha, 7 months
Others all b. Malpas
Gadget
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He is transcribed as Henry A Stevencos in 1901, a cattleman at a farm in Chidlow.
Deryck
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Yep . I was just going to put that one up
a Cattleman, working for a farmer called Furber in Chidlow.
Definitely Stevenson on the image. Born Oldcastle. aged 16.
Gadget
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The only birth reg that is coming up is the one that I gave this morning.
I think that the Henry A is yours because of the birthplace and age and i think that the Henry on the 1891 with parents William and Eliza is a very strong possible for him, given that he seems to have been called Henry :)
Gadget
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Eliza Peel and William Stevenson are on the same page of marriages in Whitchurch in 1880 -
Dec q, vol 6a p 1386
Gadget
Added - so far haven't found them on the 1881 ::)
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You guys are fantastic, thanks so much.
It all seems very plausable and I do think my grandfather was known as Henry.
I will check with my cousin in Chester tomorrow as she is the only relative I know that is still living.
We moved to this area when I was 18mths so I have no contact with any other relatives apart from my Dad's brother's daughter who remembers a bit more than I do.
Thanks again both of you.
Curttom.
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Stevenson births 1881-1891 in Whitchurch RD who might be Henry's siblings:
Sep q 1881 - Alfred John
Jun q 1882 - John Thomas
Dec q,1883 - Edward
Dec q 1884 - Sarah Ann
(Dec q 1885 - Albert Henry)
Jun q 1886 - Martha
Sep q 1887 - Martha Elizabeth
Dec q 1888 - Mary Ellen
Dec q 1890 - Bertha
John, 9
Edward,7
Sarah A, 5
Henry, 4
Martha, 3
Mary E, 2
Bertha, 7 months
All b. Malpas
Gadget
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Thanks again Gadget for your valuable time.
Curttom.
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:)
A bit more on William Stevenson
1871:
Stockton Lane, Malpas Suburbs
RG10/2798 Folio 26 Page 41
Thomas Manford, widr, 72, labourer, b. Malpas
John Stevenson, son in law, 46, labourer, b. Cheshire, Rannder? (?Radnor) - need someone with local knowledge on this one!
Elizabeth Stevenson, son in law's wife, 43, b. Flint, Threapwood
William Stevenson,grandson, 13, b. Malpas
Sarah Stevenson, granddau, 3, b. Malpas
John Stevenson and Elizabeth Manfred(?) are on the same page in the marriage index:
June q, 1857, Whitchurch, vol 6a page 1302
It looks like Manford on the 1871 and 1861 census images. Thomas Manford is with his wife Martha in Malpas on the 1861 ( RG9/1891 F 24 P 41)
Also in 1861:
Threapwood
RG9/4279 F 109 Page 7
Stevenson
John, 34, ag labourer, b. Cheshire, Bickley
Elizabeth, 33, b. Cheshire, Threapwood
William, son, 3, b. Malpas
Joseph Manford,step son, 7, b. Malpas
Thomas Duce, boarder, 34, ag labourer, b. Shropshire, Newport
Gadget
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This looks like Eliza Peel on the 1861:
Bagley Marsh, Hordley, Ellesmere RD
RG9/1884 F 69 P 5
Peel
John, 35, ag lab
Sarah, 34, b. Montgomeryshire, Llandrillo
Joseph, 10
William, 8, b. Ellesmere
John, 6
Eliza, 4
Emma, 6 months
all others b. Hordley
Gadget :)
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Afternoon Gadget,
Thanks for all this info, I am just trying to digest it and get my head round it.
I can now confirm that William and Eliza are my Gt Grand Parents, my friend who is helping me had ordered me a birth certificate for Albert Henry and it arrived this morning. They lived in Whychough Lane Malpas.
So at least I am going down the right line!
I am now recording and collating all the info I have, so all the research you are doing is helping enormously and I thank you for that, very much.
You must be an expert!
Curttom.
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Not an expert - just started when I was 8 (with a 40 year break) and I'm long in the tooth ( :-X )
I'll see if I can find more on Eliza and William. I see you've got some Welsh ancestors as well - I do have some paper sources for the border counties :D
Gadget
PS - Whychough Lane was where I found them on the 1891 :D
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Wow, 8 years old, how did that happen?
Yes I was just thinking about the Welsh connection, not sure my Dad would have been impressed, I think there was a bit of border rivalry, he used to moan about them. I could have teased him about it if he had still been here!!
Thanks again for your time, much appreciated.
Curttom.
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;D ;D ;D ;D
I'm Welsh/Scottish/English and I've found a fair bit for you so I'm sure he'd change his mind!
We inheited my Mother's parents family bible and I was fascinated to find that they were Scots. I then found my great great grandparents and great grandmother's gravestone and I spent my early years looking at tombstones and pestering the family with questions about them. My father was Welsh/Shropshire and he didn't know much about them apart from the Shropshire lines coming from the Shropshire border villages of St Martins and Selattyn and Whittington and Ellesmere and also Staffordshire. The Welsh lines are as I mentioned yesteday.
Gadget
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My friend who is helping me has ancestors in Ellesmere too. Surnames that I can recall are France and Edwards.
My Mothers side are predominently from Cambs and Beds mostly Huntingdon area, they are much easier to find as we have living relatives to help us.
My Dad met her while he was working in the area, then they moved back to Tilston to live with his parents, then eventually moved back to Cambs.
Curttom
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Hi Curttom I see it's a while since you posted are you still tracing the Stevensons, if so I may have information for you.
Get in touch please
Pete
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Hi Pete,
Thanks for getting in touch. I continue to research the Stevenson's but have been a bit inactive of late. I would be very grateful for any information you have and I am curious as to your connections, if any, to the family.
Look forward to hearing from you.
C.
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Hi Curttom
Your Great grandfather Henry was brother to my partners great grandmother Sarah Ann.
The Rannder you were looking for on the 1871? census I believe may be Ravensmoor if you close one eye and squint at it thats what it could be. It would make sense if it was, on one census his birthplace is Acton which is right next to Ravensmoor. I've just picked up some more possible information further back so i'll post it when I have it all together and done one or two checks on it
Cheers Pete
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That's fantastic news Pete, it is so nice to hear of family connections and maybe we can exchange family knowledge, perhaps we could discuss via email rather than on here but I am not sure if we can post personal details here.
Which child of Sarah's was your partner born to? Do you live in Cheshire? My cousin knows some of the Barclay family I believe.
Will be great to here from you again and thanks for getting in touch.
Chris.
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Hi Chris
She is the grand daughter of Phyllis Barclay, Daughter of William Henry Barclay and Frances Ann Stevenson. Yes we live in Cheshire in Crewe, Do you live in Cheshire? Been over to Hanmer, Worthenbury and Malpas today trollinmg round the graveyards. I think this is my 3rd post so should be able to PM after this so then we can exchange email.
Pete