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I wonder if any one can help me locating my family on the 1906 or 1911 census.
Sarah Waldman left the UK in 1895 to Nova Scotia with her family.
On the 1901 census they are living in Halifax Nova Scotia as the Weldman family.
After 1901 i canīt find them.
Their names are as follows.
Nathen Weldman born 1859 Russia.(Nathenīs name was Naxcim when he left the UK)
Sarah Weldman born 1865 England or Wales.
Hilda Weldman born 1889 England or Wales.
Daniel Weldman born 1894 England or Wales.
Rebecca Weldman born 1896 Nova Scotia.
David Weldman born 1898 Nova Scotia.
Eva Weldman born 1899 Nova Scotia.
Frances Weldman born 1905 Nova Scotia.
I also heard that they may have changed their name to Woodman. So there are three possibilities that i know of. Maybe thatīs why i canīt find them.
I hope you can help me. Thank you in advance from Fanta
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Hi Fanta,
Here is the marriage for Naxcim and Sarah
Naxcim Wildman
Sarah Cattroll
Swansea, Glamorgan
Vol. 11a, Page 950
J/A/S 1888
Karen
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Thank you for your reply and the information of them being in Swansea. I wonder if you may have any other information of them living in Canada after 1901.
Thank you once again from Fanta.
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Haven't found your family in census material but putting in "Sarah Cattroll" into a google search revealed a thread on ancestry.com that sounds like it is your family. Posts are current from this year so you should be able to make contact and pursue the lead.
Sarah is someone's Ggrandmother and they refer to her as Sarah Cattroll Woodman of Swansea, daughter of Charlotte Davis and Edward Cattroll and husband Lewis Woodman. In Free BMD there is no record of Lewis Woodman and Sarah Cattroll marrying - only the record posted here of marriage to Wildman.
Other post states that Sarah had 3 sisters, Eva, Henrietta and Hilda and 3 brothers, William Edward, Edward James and Mansel George.
The other post states that 2 of Sarah's daughters were named Eva and Hilda. They have a photo of GG aunt Hilda who they were told went to New Zealand. This post states that Sarah and husband Lewis went to Nova Scotia in 1905 from Swansea and then on to Montreal. Further states that Lewis Woodman is an enigma. (perhaps an enigma because they have the wrong name????)
Sounds like the family you are searching for - perhaps they are in Montreal on the 1911 census although the last post does mention that they can fill the other poster in on the Canadian and American side of the family. Possibility that in 1911 the family is in the US?
Debbie
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Looking at FreeBMD they have the birth of Hilda Waldman in Jun quarter 1889 and then the birth of Daniel Waldman in Jun quarter of 1894 Carmarthen.
Between these two are 2 more births that might be related. In the Dec quarter 1890 Swansea is the birth of David Waldman and in the Dec quarter 1892 Carmarthen is the birth of Samuel Waldman. No deaths listed for these 2.
If you are looking for this couple in the 1891 British census perhaps they are in the Carmarthen area and not Swansea.
debbie
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Hi Fanta,
Here they are in the 1891 Wales Census, in case you don't have that
Naxkim Waldman, age 31, picture frame maker, born Russia Ponavis(?)
Sarah, age 26, born Swansea Wales
Hilda, age 2, born Swansea
David, 11 mos, born Swansea
Civil Parish: St. Peters
Town: Carmarthen
County: Carmarthenshire
RG12, Piece 4517, Folio 71, Page 11
I'm not having any luck finding any of them in the Canada or the USA :-\
Karen
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Aha! Found a marriage at least :)
June 23, 1926 between Matthew William Richard Acheson son of Matthew William Acheson and Margaret Jane Richards to Eva Dorothy Woodman of Montreal daughter of Louis Woodman and of Sarah Catroll in the presence of Charles Frederick Acheson and David Woodman.
Saint Michael the Archangel, rue St-Viateur, Montreal, Quebec.
Karen
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Request to look up passenger list for Sarah and Naxcim (could have used his new name Lewis) Waldman
From a different ancestry thread regarding this family and then a reference to the change of name from Waldman to Woodman. Don't know if these are your posts from May of this year.
Debbie
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A marriage 9 March 1917 Outremont, Presbyterian Church between
Rebecca Margaret Woodman (daughter of Louis Woodman and Sarah Cattronn of Montreal)
and Clarence Ephraim K. Byrne, 22, clerk of Montreal - son of David S.K. Byrne and Sarah Benner (?) of Hamilton, Ontario
Debbie
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This is for Karen and Debbie. As i don't know how to post separately. ( Sorry )
I am so grateful for what you have done for me. I am so overwhelmed.For you to have found two marriages for me is amazing.
I have no contact with any relatives in Canada. So maybe this will be a help in finding them.
I only have one distant cousin in America and between the two of us we have been trying to trace our Ancestors.
I have to say it has been an exciting journey for me and with out your help i would never have got this far.
So once again i would like to thank you for all your time and effort. This is a wonderful forum and i am sure that you have helped a lot of people.
Thank you from Fanta
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Hello folks,
I think this may be Hilda (as Woodman) in 1911 in Montreal?
http://automatedgenealogy.com/census11/SplitView.jsp?id=117465
Looks like she's working as a nurse in a Children's Home; born 1889 in Nova Scotia.
Montreal Directories are on line and free to search...here is the link. Click on Serie Principale and it is English after that. There are Woodmans listed.
http://bibnum2.bnquebec.ca/bna/lovell/index.html
Polarbear
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There is a birth for Kenneth William Acheson on 18 Sep 1929 with his christening 16 Oct 1929. Parents are Matthew Acheson, machinist and Eva Woodman. Sponsors are Matthew Acheson Sr. and Margaret Richards (father's parents)
Birth of Kenneth's father - Matthew William Richard Acheson 14 May 1901 Montreal. His father was a brass finisher at that time. Mother Margaret Jane Richards.
Death of Kenneth's father 22 July 1939 in Montreal at age 38. Burial record only. Witnesses were Charles Frederick and Edgar Richard Acheson.
There is also a private ancestry tree online that only shows the four children that were born in England.
Debbie
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Hi Debbie
I don't know what to say. This is unbelievable. The more information you give. The more chances i have of finding my family.
Thank you ever so much for your time and effort.
From Fanta
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http://stevemorse.org/montreal/montreal.html
One stop shopping for searching Montreal City Directories. It should prove useful to you.
I entered Woodman for 1917 and got the following
Louis Woodman, glazier 845 Champagneur Ave. Outremont.
You should be able to trace him and some of the other names forward in time.
Debbie
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In the 1910-1911 and 1911-1912 Lovells directories the entry for
Lewis Woodman, carpenter, shows an address of 1492 Cadieux.
The family should show up on the 1911 census in Montreal - we just have to figure out under what misspelling.
Debbie
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Hi Debbie.
I think you are right about him being a carpenter. I remember that on the 1891 census of England and Wales he was a picture frame maker.
I will also have a look at the one stop shop that you recommended.
Thanks again from Fanta
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In the Montreal directories you find an entry for Louis Woodman up until 1919. In 1920 the entry changes to Mrs. A. Woodman, widow of Louis at 845 champagneau Ave. Outremont. There are entries for Mrs. A. up to 1924 but not after. In 1925 and 1926 there is an entry for David Woodman, steno, at #2 316 Hopper Ave but not in 1927.
The Champagneau Ave. address in Outremont was well utilized on 6 May 1920. A number of the children were baptized through the Outremont Presbyterian Church on that date.
David Clarence Woodman, born 17 Jan 1898 Greenhead (?) near Halifax N.S.
Hilda Elizabeth born 15 May 1889 Swansea, Wales
Eva Dorothy born 12 Nov 1899 Greenhead (?) near Halifax, N.S.
Rebecca Margaret Woodman, Mrs. Ephraim Kidd Byrne, husband, deceased, born 16 Jan 1896 Greenhead(?) near Halifax, N.S. Underneath her name is & K. Byrne (not sure if that means she had a child that was also included in the baptism?)
On 23 Dec 1923, also at the Outremont Presbyterian Church, was the marriage, by licence, of Francis Ruth to William Lee Stokes, of legal age, son of William Henry Stokes and ?.
All the children in these baptismal and marriage entries show their father as Nathan Woodman and mother as Sarah Cattroll
Debbie
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One last piece of information. William Everett Stokes, son of Francis Ruth and William Lee Stokes, died 17 Nov 1924 and was buried the same day at Mont Royal Cemetery. Only reference was to his date of death. Again through the Outremont Presbyterian Church records.
Debbie
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The 1911 census database at Ancestry can be searched by address but there were no results when I searched 1492 Cadieux. There were numbers all around it listed on the census but no 1492. I also checked the images and couldn't find a 1492. I wonder if their address was missed by the enumerators.
Jacquie
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Rebecca Margaret Woodman Byrne remarried, by banns, in the Outremont Presbyterian church 22 April 1925. She was the widow of Clarence Ephraim K. Byrne and daughter of Nathan and Sarah Woodman. Married Henry Herbert du Fresne, bachelor, full age, son of Phillipe du Fresne and Ann Viel. Witnessed by D. C. Woodman and W. L. Stokes (brother and brother-in-law).
Debbie
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Thank you once again.
The information makes sense. I did try looking for Rebecca with her husband but now i know why i couldn't find them, because her husband had died.Thank you for that information.
I knew that Frances and William had two daughters Carole and Sarah but i didn't know about the little boy that died.
I found Frances in Florida in 1930 but nothing after that.
Thanks once again for you kind help from Fanta