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Many thanks for your reply. The earliest I have is Abraham James Hopkins Moody who was born in 1809 in Magilligan, parents John Moody and Mary Hopkins of Bolea. A brother of Abraham, born 1826, was stated to be of Gortmore Hall. The Ordnance survey map shows a Gortmore House but not a Gortmore Hall and having driven along the road from Magilligan Station "up the hill" I cannot remember a large house.
Again, many thanks
Regards
Hi Everyone
l,m new to the site and am trying to find info on;
1750 Alexander Moody, born[abt 1750?],married abt 1772,to Priscilla Dick?or Dickey??don't know about her last name
Children are;
[All Children may have be born at GORTMORE HOUSE,MAGILLIGAN, Northern Ireland??????????].
1/ John Moody born 13 /10/1774 Died 19/12/1854 Northern Ireland
2/ Solomon Moody born 1776 Died after 1850 NI
3/ ?
4/ ? Died [Drowned]NI
5/ Alexander Moody born 1778 Died
6/ Nancy Moody born 1784 Died 12 / 1865 at Lenamore NI [NEVER MARRIED].
7/ Israel Moody born 1789 Died 13/12/1867 at Nova Scotia,Canada
8/ James H Moody born 1795? Died [1841 left for NY]with a Hannah aged 21yrs[daug?].
A Joseph Dick witnesses Israel Moody's will. Alexander died before 1813/14.
She died after 1814,she was also a widow around this time 1815.[see died at Lenamore Bellavena Co Ldy. maybe??].
[note a family member went to NI, & FOUND THE ABOVE CHILDREN]
Info on Priscilla [Dick] Moody: [1815 She was a widow, listed in Lenamore,Bellavena Parish,Co Londonderry, NI]
Second hand info;
Ann [Moody?],Wid ,Smith, Married 1819 Ireland------Witness ISRAEL MOODY [was he just a family friend??????????????.
William Kirkpatrick Child; Alexander James, bapt 1820 Ireland
[The family may have Imigrated to Australia after 1820, with check at this end].
l did read that a member had a photo of "GORTMORE HOUSE" l would love to get a copy of this if that is o.k ??
hope l have not made this to hard to read
hope some one can help will paper work that can confirm this info
Members of the above family,s used to go to the Magilligan Presb Church from around 1700,s to well after 1880?
Parish priest used to be Rev Samuel Butler.
I have the picture of the grave of the Moody,s in St. Aidans R.C. churchyard ,
Many years ago Brian Mitchell was kind to go out there one Sunday with this family to take the photo for me,
l was very grateful
will stop for now and see what comes of this info
regard D
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Welcome to Rootshat, Moody. I've reformatted yor post to make it a bit easier to read and split it from the other topic so that it won't get lost t the end of that thread.
To start with there's a few things that need clarified:
Bellavena Co Ldy. maybe??
Info on Priscilla [Dick] Moody: [1815 She was a widow, listed in Lenamore,Bellavena Parish,Co Londonderry, NI]
This should be Bellarena not Bellavena.
Members of the above family,s used to go to the Magilligan Presb Church from around 1700,s to well after 1880?
Parish priest used to be Rev Samuel Butler.
I have the picture of the grave of the Moody,s in St. Aidans R.C. churchyard ,
Presbyterian ministers are not known as Parish priests. Only Church of Ireland (established Church) and Roman Catholic churches have parishes. R.C. clergy known as priests and C. of I clergy generally called rectors. Pressbyterian Churches are organised into Presbyteries which do not follow civil parish boundaries.
Rev. Samuel Butler was minister of Magilligan Presbyterian Church from 1814 until he retired in 1851 (he died 1862). The next minister was his nephew Hugh McIntyre Butler (minister 1851-1917- died 1930).
If your Moodys were Presbyterian I'm puzzled as to connection with burials in a R.C. graveyard. Most Presbyterians are buried in either Presbyterian or Church of Ireland graveyards.
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Londonderry Sentinel, 13 Jan.1844: On Tuesday the 2nd inst., by the Rev. P. Finan, Newtownlimavady, Mr. Abraham J.H. Moody, of Gortmore House, Magilligan, to Elizabeth, the eldest daughter of Mr. Samuel Shannon, of Derrybeg.
Londonderry Sentinel, 11 July 1851: On the 8th inst., in the Presbyterian Church, Magilligan, by the Rev. William Irvine, Dungiven, Mr. John Moody, Gortmore, to Mary, daughter of Mr. William Campbell, Benone.
Londonderry Sentinel, 1 Sept.1857: At Portrush Presbyterian Church, on the 3rd inst., by the Rev. Jonathan Simpson, Mr. William Alexander Moody, of Gortmore, Magilligan, to Jane, eldest daughter of Mr. Cochrane Wilson, Ballyreagh, Ballywillan.
Londonderry Sentinel, 14 Oct.1859: On the 5th inst., Mary, relict of the late Mr. John Moody, Gortmore, Magilligan, aged 71 years.
This explains where Solomon Moody went!:
Londonderry Sentinel, 4 Sept.1866: At Truro, South Australia, the wife of Solomon Moody, Esq., J.P., formerly of Gortmore House, Magilligan, of a daughter.
And John Moody also:
Londonderry Sentinel, 31 Dec.1858: At Pine Cottage, Truro, South Australia, Mrs. John Moody, formerly of Magilligan, of a son.
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Aghadowey,
The query on the reference to Magilligan Presbyterian Church and the grave in St Aidan's R.C. Church I cannot answer but it appears to be the grave of John and Mary Moody who appear to have been married in a presbyterian church and buried in St. Aidans. The church is in a very beautiful position and it had been used for Protestant and Catholic burials at an earlier period. See my final post in the Surnames of Magilligan posting earlier on this site.
Regards
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Here's the post:
Hi,
Going round St. Aidans R.C. churchyard this after noon I came across this Moody grave and Gortmore House reminded me of this posting.
John Moody, Gortmore House, died 19 Dec 1854 Aged 81
His wife, Mary, died 5 Oct 1859 aged 71
1 Thess. iv 4, 14v ( 1st Thessalonians Chapter 4 verse 14)
Anne Adeline Moody died 22May 1869 age 3 years 10 mths
Elizabath (sic) Moody died 20 Aug 1872 aged 19 years
Both daughters of AJH Moody
AJH Moody J.P. born 17 Aug 1819 died 11 Mar 1899
Elizabeth, his wife, Died 13 Aug 1918 aged 92.
Regards
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Hi,
Some extra names for your files. They are taken from an index of the 1831 census for County Londonderry which only gives heads of household. The full census only adds the number of males and females and their religion. The names are Moodys from the parish of Magilligan.
Cathert ?? no townland given
John Lenamore
John Carnoury (this is probably Carnowry)
John Cloony
Mr. Umbra (implies a gentleman)
Solomen Lenamore
William Esq Umbra (a gentleman)
Regards
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1831 Magilligan
John Moody in Aughil
John Moody in Clooney
John Moody in Lenamore
Solomon Moody in Lenamore
Catherine Moody in Umbra
William Moody in Umbra
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Welcome to Rootshat, Moody. I've reformatted yor post to make it a bit easier to read and split it from the other topic so that it won't get lost t the end of that thread.
To start with there's a few things that need clarified:
Bellavena Co Ldy. maybe??
Info on Priscilla [Dick] Moody: [1815 She was a widow, listed in Lenamore,Bellavena Parish,Co Londonderry, NI]
This should be Bellarena not Bellavena.
Members of the above family,s used to go to the Magilligan Presb Church from around 1700,s to well after 1880?
Parish priest used to be Rev Samuel Butler.
I have the picture of the grave of the Moody,s in St. Aidans R.C. churchyard ,
Presbyterian ministers are not known as Parish priests. Only Church of Ireland (established Church) and Roman Catholic churches have parishes. R.C. clergy known as priests and C. of I clergy generally called rectors. Pressbyterian Churches are organised into Presbyteries which do not follow civil parish boundaries.
Rev. Samuel Butler was minister of Magilligan Presbyterian Church from 1814 until he retired in 1851 (he died 1862). The next minister was his nephew Hugh McIntyre Butler (minister 1851-1917- died 1930).
If your Moodys were Presbyterian I'm puzzled as to connection with burials in a R.C. graveyard. Most Presbyterians are buried in either Presbyterian or Church of Ireland graveyards.
Aghadowey, I have overlapping records for the first Minister of Magilligan Presby (Samuel Butler) and the Reverend John Graham - who is listed as the Rector of Magilligan for many years while Mr. Butler was alive. Am I missing something to explain this? Was the parish big enough to have Mr. Butler be the minister at Magilligan Presby, while Mr. Graham was the rector of a larger area? I profess my lack of understanding of Presby governance now or then, but figuring this point out will close something for me in my quest to find many missing Caldwell graves in Magilligan (BallyLeighery). We have been unable to find them at Dunboe, Myroe or Ballykelly. As always, thanks.
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The title Rector is for Church of Ireland ministers and those churches would be entirely separate from Presbyterian churches.
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That would answer why they are there at the same time. Thanks for clearing it up. Back to the hunt.
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I have a family tree which says that Mary Campbell who married John Moody on 8th July 1851 in Magilligan Pres Church was born 10th June 1826 in Yorkshire. Unfortunately no source was given but perhaps it came from Mary's death certificate in Australia. Maybe someone out there is able to verify this?
I recently did a bit of research into Mary Campbell and found the following.
William Campbell married Susannah Eland 27th April 1823 in St Martin’s Church Womersley, Yorkshire. William’s age was given as 21. Residence was Womersley No father’s name was given. Susannah was under 21 and her father was John Eland whose residence was given as York.
Children of this marriage were:
1. Susannah Campbell bapt 4th July 1824 in St Martins, Womersley, Yorkshire. Residence Womersley. Occupation of father was a farmer.
2. Mary Campbell bapt 9th July 1826 in St Martins, Womersley, Yorkshire. Residence Stapleton Park. Occupation of father was a Farm Bailiff.
3. John Campbell bapt 6th Dec 1827 in St Lukes, Darrington, Yorkshire. Residence Stapleton. Occupation of father was a Bailiff to E.Petre Esq.
John Eland Campbell bapt 11th Jan 1828 in St Martins, Womersley, Yorkshire. Residence was Stapleton Farm. Occupation of father was a Bailiffe to E. Petrie.
Looks like John was baptised twice.
4. William Campbell bapt 25th Dec 1829 in St Luke’s, Darrington, Yorkshire. Residence Stapleton. Occupation of father was a Bailiff to E.Petre Esq.
5. Ann Campbell bapt 6th May 1832 in St Martin’s, Womersley, Yorkshire. Residence Cridling Stubbs. Occupation of father was a Steward to Hon.E.Petre.
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I have a family tree which says that Mary Campbell who married John Moody on 8th July 1851 in Magilligan Pres Church was born 10th June 1826 in Yorkshire. Unfortunately no source was given but perhaps it came from Mary's death certificate in Australia. Maybe someone out there is able to verify this?
What is given on Mary Campbell's 1851 marriage as her father's occupation?
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FGXB-GJC
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Mary's father was a farmer. The information I have says William Campbell was a Scot who migrated to Magilligan.
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Hi,
From the Londonderry Sentinel of 11 Jul 1851 - "On the 8th inst, in the Presbyterian Church, Magilligan, by the Rev. William Irvine, Dungiven, Mr. John Moody, Gortmore, to Mary, daughter of Mr. William Campbell, Benone."
Regards
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Thanks kingskerswell. This is more or less the same as the marriage entry in the Coleraine Chronicle except that it gives the additional information that Rev William Irvine was from Dungiven.
I really want to verify that this Mary Campbell is the same as the one born in Yorkshire.
The information re her father has come from a very reliable source so I think it is probably correct. I would just like to know for certain!
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Thanks kingskerswell. This is more or less the same as the marriage entry in the Coleraine Chronicle except that it gives the additional information that Rev William Irvine was from Dungiven.
William Irvine, "a Limavady man." was minister Dungiven Presbyterian Church 15 Apr.1851-1854, appointed to a "seaman's chaplaincy in Belfast," called as first minister Sinclair Seaman's Church in Jan.1855.
Mrs. Mullin's book, The Presbytery of Limavady gives more details: "son of Campbell Irvine of Drumrane, Limavady. His mother was Margaret Oliver, whose brother was the Rev. Wm. Oliver of Dunluce. Through his mother he was related to Professor Witherow, the historian. His brother was T.J. Irvine, J.P., High Sheriff of Derry." Retired 1861 due to ill health. "He returned to his childhood home where he lived with his brother and sister until his death in 13 November 1862 aged almost 36. He was buried in the family grave in Drumachose Presbyterian graveyard where the tombstone records the deaths of his parents, his two sisters and three brothers."
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I have a family tree which says that Mary Campbell who married John Moody on 8th July 1851 in Magilligan Pres Church was born 10th June 1826 in Yorkshire. Unfortunately no source was given but perhaps it came from Mary's death certificate in Australia. Maybe someone out there is able to verify this?
Hi Cyclamen, the above information aligns with what I was given by one of Mary's descendants who apparently asked someone living in the UK to check it. Mary's death certificate does not include the name of her father or her place of birth. Certificates issued in South Australia (i.e. birth & death registration remained a state & territory responsibility after the creation of the Australian Federation in 1901) after 1908 do include the place of birth subject to what the informing party knows about the deceased.
Here is a summary of Mary's certificate:
Death Date: 10 May 1902, Gender: F. Age: 75y, Approx. Birth Year: 1827, Marital Status: W
Relative 1: M PHILPS (D), Residence: Dutton , Death Place: Dutton, District: Kapunda, Book/Page: 285/446.
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The Rev William Irvine (1826-1862) who married John Moody & Mary Campbell in 1851 was the son of Robert Campbell Irvine (c1790-1863). Rev Wm Irvine was also the great grandson of Robert Campbell who was listed in Drumrane in the 1740 Protestant householders' survey.
Robert Campbell Irwin/Irvine (c1790-1863) was the son of William Irwin by Mary Campbell of Drumrane. The latter Mary Campbell was the daughter of William & Mary Campbell of Drumrane (and William was son of Robert Campbell in 1740 protestant householders)
I wonder if the Yorkshire Campbells were connected to the Drumrane Campbells in some way?
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Many thanks.
Must be telepathy I was "revisiting" this family only yesterday!