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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Midlothian => Topic started by: JuanToomany on Wednesday 10 June 09 16:19 BST (UK)
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Hello folks
Trying to find where my great grandparents were married. It would appear to have been around 1890 in Corstorphine but i'd love to know where. Names are Daniel Banks and Annie Russell. Thanks in advance
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Hi there,
Daniel Banks and Annie Russell married the 22nd of April 1890 in Corstorphine parish. There is no church mentioned, but they were married according to the Church of Scotland.
It was common practice for couples to be married at their home address (usually the bride's) during this time. Another common place was the minister's own house - the Manse.
Daniel and Annie are staying at 150 Dundee Street, Edinburgh in 1891.
hume
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Thanks so much for that. I guess I now need to find out where the two of them came from and work from there
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According to the 1891 census, which Hume mentions, Daniel was b. Thurso, circa 1868 and Annie born Bannockburn, circa 1870.
When looking for Daniel, also look at Donald - Daniel and Donald were often used interchangeably.
Gadget
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The speed of info on here is amazing. Thanks very much Gadget. I wonder what brought them to Edinburgh
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Daniel was a carter on the 1891 census.
In 1881, this looks like Daniel:
Blackhall Village, Corstophine
678 ED 4 P 18
Banks
Sarah, 44, farmer's out worker
James, 17, labourer
Jessie, 15,domestic servant
Daniel, 13, agricultural labourer
Georgina, 9
All born Wick
Gadget
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The IGI (extracted) has the birth of a Donald Banks in Wick on 5 April 1868. Parents - George Banks and Sarah Bremner.
Gadget
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In 1881, this looks like Annie:
Burnside Houses, Muiravonside, Stirling
486 ED 2 P 18
Russell
William, 33, ploughman, b. Grahamston (Falkirk)
Margaret, 39, b. Bannockburn (St Ninians)
Annie, 11, b. Bannockburn
James, 9, b. Bannockburn
Adam, 8, b. Bannockburn
William, 6, b. Muiravonside
Elizabeth, 5, b. Muiravonside
Margaret, 3, b. Muiravonside
Robert, 1 month, b. Muiravonside
Gadget
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So if im following this correctly it looks like my great great grandfather George was no longer around in 1891 when Daniel would have been 23. He lived with his mum Sarah and siblings in Blackhall....phew!
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Looks like he died at some stage before 1881.
The IGI (extracted) has the birth of an Annie Russell in St Ninian, Stirling 7 Dec 1869. Parents - William Russell and Margaret Forsyth.
I'll see if I can find the death of George Banks.
Gadget
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My Grandmother Annie Banks was born in Muiravonside. I think this refers to her
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Oh my god Gadget my mums name was Margaret Forsyth Fletcher and until this moment I had no idea where the Forsyth came in.......this is incredible
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It's all out there :)
In 1871, they are in Caithness still:
Murso, Bower, Caithness
34 ED 3 P
Banks
George, 30, farm servant, b. Latheron
Sarah, 34, farm servant's wife
James, 8
Jessie, 5
Daniel, 2
Georgina, 1 month, b. Bowers
others b. Wick
Gadget
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The most likely death of George was in Cramond, Edinburgh, 1875. Aged 34.
There are quite a few but this one looks the nearest in age. If so, they would have moved down 1871-1875.
Gadget
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The IGI has a patron submission for the marriage of George Banks and Sarah Bremner in Keis, Wick on 16 May 1862. It records George's parents as James Banks and Christina Sutherland.
This would need to be checked against the Old Parish records.
Gadget
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There is a George Banks baptism at roughly the correct time period in Thurso (father - James) and one in Canisbay (father - John) so that a marriage or death cert for him would be needed to make sure who his parents were.
Given that their first son on the 1871 census was a James, one of the Thurso baptisms are most likely:
28 Feb 1838, Thurso. Parents - James Banks and Elizabeth Campbell
Gadget
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Great so its looking like this on mums side
David Welsh (me)
Margaret Forsyth Fletcher Frederick Welsh (mum and dad)
Annie Banks George Fletcher (grandparents)
Annie Russell Daniel Banks (Annies parents)
George Banks Sarah Bremner (great great grandparents)
Amazing information in such a short time. I'll need to learn your secrets!
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Hi David :)
All I did was look at the Censuses, the IGI on www.familysearch.org and ScotlandsPeople www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk
I'll check up on George Banks and Sarah Bremner's parents in a minute or so.
Gadget
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George and Sarah married in Keiss, Wick Landward on May 16 1862
George was a farm servant, aged 21 and living in Olrig (possibly Scrabster or Stemster). His parents were James Banks, farm servant (deceased) and Christina, maiden surname Sutherland
Sarah was a farm servant, aged 26 and living in Keiss, Wick. Her parents were Donald Bremner, farmer and Janet, maiden surname <what looks like> Wheir.
So Daniel/Donald was named after Sarah's father :)
Gadget
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Freereg www.freereg.org.uk also has good coverage of Caithness but George's baptism isnt there - just the one with mother Elizabeth Campbell and no marriage showing for James Banks and Christian/Christina Sutherland.
It does say that it's not 100% complete.
Gadget
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Gadget dont want to push my luck but if you get the chance my grandfather also on my mothers side was John Fletcher born Corstorphine strangely enough and his dad was called George but have no further info there. I think John was born around 1885. Im working on my dads side which was in Staffs along with the very helpful guys on that message board also
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This is the nearest that I can get to George in the 1851. The others don't fit age/father's occupation:
Newlands, Latheron
38 ED 1 Page 4
Sutherland
John, 36, fisher, b. Latheron
Grizela, sister, 47, ag lab, b. Latheron
Amelia, sister, 34, ag lab, b. Latheron
Isabella, sister, 32, ag lab, b. Latheron
Banks
Margaret, niece, 15, b. Wick
Ann, niece, 13, b. Latheron
George, nephew, 10, b. Latheron
James, nephew, 8, b. Latheron
Can you give me more details of John Fletcher - age/DoB (I see 1885 ish) , who married, etc.
Gadget
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Hi Gadget. John married my grandmother Annie Banks in Grangemouth probably around 1915 as my mother was born 1921. So this is just a guess. I also know he was born I guess in the 1880s at a place called the Lodge in Corstorphine Edinburgh
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1841:
Strath, Watten
42 Ed 2 p 8
Banks
James ag lab. b. Scotland
Christina,35
Margaret, 5
Ann, 4
George, 9 months
Janet Smith, 60
all but James b. Caithness
Note that in the 1841 census ages were grouped into 5 year age bands so the 35 would be 35-39, etc.
Gadget
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Good grief youve got me back nearly 200 years!!!!!
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I don't see a marriage of an Ann(ie) Banks (variations) to a Fletcher at the moment.
I'll have a better look later but I have to go now. Maybe someone else can help as well.
Gadget
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Thank you so much. You have helped more than enough up to now :)
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David
Is it George or John Fletcher - you mentioned George on your chart :-\
Gadget
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John was my grandfather, George my great grandfather
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John Fletcher was b. 7th December 1884 at The Lea Lodge, Corstophine.
His parents were George Fletcher, gardener and Agnes m.s. Baillie. They married April 28 1882, Cramond.
Gadget
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1891
Barnton Easter Gate, Cramond
679 ED 4 P 20
Fletcher
George, 31, gardener - domestic servant, b. King Edward, Aberdeenshire
Agnes, 34, b. Hawthornden, Edinburgh
Agnes, 12, b. Oatridge, Linlithgow
George, 8, b. Corstophine
John, 6, b. Corstophine
Jane M, 4, b. Cramond
Charles, brother, 19, house painter, b. Macduff, Banffshire
Gadget
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Wow thank you. Interesting how both grandparents have links in both Corstorphine and Cramond before meeting!
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Birth 2 Dec1858, King Edward, Aberdeenshire
George Fletcher
Parents - John Fletcher and Jane Minty
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Ah excellent so my grandfather John was named after HIS grandfather
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Yep
1861
Foulzie, King Edward, Aberdeenshire
210 ED 7 Page 15
Fletcher
John, 23, ag lab and famer of 3 acres, b. King Edward
Jane, 26, b. Alvah, Banffshire
George, 2, b. King Edward
Peter Sham, boarder, 22, road lab, b. Forgue, Aberdeenshire
Interesting that the male lines were from the north!
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IGI extracted:
Jane Mintie born Alvah, Banff 15 Sept 1833
Parents - George Mintie and Mary Kack
John Fletcher born King Edward, Aberdeenshire 8 Aug 1837
Parents - John Fletcher and Ann Morrison
Think you might try familysearch for yourself now ;D
Gadget
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Gadget ;D I'll never cease to be amazed at how much information you collect.
hume
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;D ;D ;D
I missed Agnes Baillie:
Her parents were George Baillie and Grace White.
1861
14 Ramsay Square, Lasswade, Midlothian
691 ED 9 P 11
Baillie
George,21, labourer, Iron Foundry, b. Newton, Edinburgh
Grace, 27, b. West Linton, Peebles
Agnes, 4, b. Lasswade
Margaret J, 1, b. Lasswade
Gadget
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IGI extracted:
Baptism , Newton, Edinburgh 26 Jan 1840
George Baillie
Parents - William Baillie and Euphemia Donaldson
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Birth, West Linton, Peeblesshire - 7 May 1832
Grace White
Parents - John White and Margaret Inch
Gadget
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Amazing thanks. No wonder you couldnt find John Fletchers marriage!!! It was Maggie Banks he married not Annie!!!
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Margaret Forsyth Banks, actually
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They married in 1917,Grangemouth ;D
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I know this is an old post and apologise if you already have this information but I have a copy of John b1837 death certificate and maybe some other info too. His parents were John Fletcher and Ann Merson.