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Looking for information on the Hatton family of Dublin. Mary Ann Hatton b.1801 Dublin d.1833 Australia, all that is know of her is that she married John Bury Curran nephew of the Irish orator master of the rolls John Philpot Curran.
Is there anyone out there researching the same families?
Tanks,
Fran
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Fran,
Over the years have collected information onthe Curran family especially in period 1860-1900.
Further believe we are related to the Currans on my mother's side by marriage in early 1800s.
Regards
Quaxer
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G'day,
Would your connection be through the HATTON family to Our Curran's?
Or another connection? I would be interested to find out.
As i have mentioned I know nothing of the Hatton family of Dublin, Mary Anne was b.1801 and d.1833 at the age of 32 of unknown causes, as she spent time in India with her Husband and only a short time in Australia we would be guessing something tropical was cause of death? As of the Curran's I can go back to 1718 with the birth of a James Curran to a John Curran and a Miss Edwards no further dates have been found or the first name of Miss Edwards as yet.
I have lots of gaps and think I will be looking for the rest of my time to complete such a complex tree as it has turned out to be. If you think we have some connection lets know and we can exchange information and stories!
Regards,
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Fran
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Fran
Thanks for your recent message which for some reason did not pop up on my notice of incoming mail.
My claim to relationship to the Currans is based on the Appendix to the 26th Annual Report of the Deputy Keeperof the Public Records in Ireland (1893) which shows that he had on file a marriage licence forC atherine Adrien and Henry Grattan Curran dated 1821 (obviosly destroyed in 1922) My mother's maiden name was Adrien and I can trace a direct line back to the above Catherine.
Henry Grattan Curran was later a stipendiary magistrate at Strokestown Co.Roscommon.
Does this link up with any of yours?
Regards Quaxer
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Part 2.
The latter Curran practiced at the Irish Bar for some years, then become Resident Magistrate, one of his stations being Birr and another Strokestown. According to D.J O'Donoghue's "Dictionary of Irish Writers" 1912 he ws the author of the well-known song the Wearing of the Green He died 12 Feb., 1876 and is buried at Mount Jerome , Dublin, with his half brother, William Henry Curran.
Henry Grattin Curran seems to have had a numerous family of whom the following may be noted from Alumni Dublinenses. All entered Trinity
1. George John Curran, entered 6 Nov.,, 1943, aged 15 years.
2. Frederich Adrian Curran., enteed 1 Jul., 1853 aged 16 years.
3. William Adrian Curran., entered 11 Oct., 1853, aged 17 years
4. Charles Ribton Curran., entered 1 Jul., 1857 aged 16 years.
No.4 in this list was Senior Puisne Judge of the High Court Jamaica.
Some light may perhaps be thrown on the parents of the above-named two Fitzgerald's (Curran's) by reference to Sir John Barrington's personal sketches Vol.1, p.279, where is described a visit he paid with Curran at the latter's request on one of their trips to London to a Miss H, between whom there existed ' a refined friendship"(Curran's phrase) at Spa and elsewhere. This lady was also a friend of Holman, the Actor, and she finally married Major XXX an associate of Mr, Hastings. During the visit another lady, a governess, and two children were in the room; the visitors were cordially welcomed, but a dispute having arisen between Miss H, whose temper was very violent and her feet very long, and Curran over pecuniary affairs, Curran received a buffet on the side of the head which sounded like a pistol shot, and he quitted the house in hurried confusion leaving London for Ireland. Barrington goes on to tell of the Lady's marriage soon after and the noble establishment she had in London , where Curran (Henry Gratton) having made his peace,
became a frequent guest at her table. Mrs XXX afterwards broke her neck by a fall down the stairs whilst in an inebriated state! The Gentleman's Magazine, 3 Feb., 1812, gave apoplexy as the cause of her death.
There can be no doubt that this Mrs XXX is Mary Hughes, daughter of Samuel Hughes of Seskin, Co. Tipperary. Mary Hugh was a beautiful and popular actress.
The latter Curran practiced at the Irsih Bar some years, then became a Resident Magistrate, one of his stations being Birr and another Strokestown. According to D. J. O'Donaghue's dictionary of Irish Writer's, 1912 he was the author of the well-known song 'The Wearing of the Green he died 12 Feb 1876, and is buried at Mount Jerome, Dublin, with his brother William Henry Curran.
Ref: Notes & Queries 3 September, 1949 p.386-
Henry Grattan, 32 Summerhill (barrister - Easter term 1828) Dublin City Directory 1850 : Cullen - Cutler
More:The Concise Oxford Companion to Irish Literature; 2000; ROBERT WELSH; 42 Words Curran, Henry Rattan (1800–1876), poet and novelist. Born in Dublin, the natural son of John Philpot Curran , he became a barrister. His poetry includes ‘The Wearing of the Green’ . He wrote topical novels including Confessions of a Whitefoot (1884).
In 1850 he Henry Grattan lived at:, 32 Summer hill , Dublin.
so Henry Gratton Fitzgerald (Curran) was a bit of a lad!
I do have further info on his children.
I would love to hear any thing you have discovered.
don,t you just luv Genealogy!By the way where do you live?
Regards,
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P.S Sorry for the ramblings i may have repeated myself but hope you get the.....
Sorry if there are spelling mistakes, I'm a Nurse always was a bad typist !
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Part 1.
Yes it looks like that your female connection is one of my missing links!
As you may already know that Henry Gratton Fitzgerald (Curran) was the second son of John Philpot Curran & a Mrs Fitzgerald (first name not found yet) She was always referred to as Mrs Fitzgerald. After John Philpot Curran's wife Sarah Creigh left him for a nother man a Pastor, they divorced. He did not marry again, only lived with Mrs Fitzgerald and always in his writtings and his will refereed to as his extra marital children as his Nephews. After (has there has been many!!) the death of John Philpot Curran 1st, the extra martal sons on entering Trinity both changed their surname to Curran!
Here is what I know of Henry Gratton Fitzgerald (Curran):b.1799 London d.1876 Dublin at the age of 77.
Names after his Fathers (JPC) friend:
Henry Grattan (July 3, 1746 - June 6, 1820) who was a member of the Irish House of Commons and a campaigner for legislative freedom for the Irish Parliament in the late 18th century. He opposed the Act of Union 1800 that merged the Kingdoms of Ireland and Great Britain.)
Although originally named Fitzgerald viz: Henry Gratton he bore the name when he signed John Philpot Curran 1st will, on 17th september 1816. according to O'Regan's memoir of Curran p.300, the testator left 80 pound a year to as he called his his nephews. His so called nephews after the death of their father JPC assumed the name of Curran. As his older brother he Henry Gratton, entered Trinity, Henry Gratton was called to the Bar 6th November 1817, aged 16years & still bore the name of Fitzgerald, he had been born in Tipperary, and was the son of JPC (Latin defunctus.) Now changing his name to Henry Gratton "Curran".After the death of his father JPC Master of the Rolls, Ireland, deceased. It is true that he was the second son of his mother, but four sons of a different mother had preceded him, and if his second series of statements be correct the epithet( Synonyms: nickname, description, appellation, handle, label, sobriquet, moniker)defunct in the first was only intended to mislead.
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Part 1.
Yes it looks like that your female connection is one of my missing links!
As you may already know that Henry Gratton Fitzgerald (Curran) was the second son of John Philpot Curran & a Mrs Fitzgerald (first name not found yet) She was always referred to as Mrs Fitzgerald. After John Philpot Curran's wife Sarah Creigh left him for a nother man a Pastor, they divorced. He did not marry again, only lived with Mrs Fitzgerald and always in his writtings and his will refereed to as his extra marital children as his Nephews. After (has there has been many!!) the death of John Philpot Curran 1st, the extra martal sons on entering Trinity both changed their surname to Curran!
Here is what I know of Henry Gratton Fitzgerald (Curran):b.1799 London d.1876 Dublin at the age of 77.
Names after his Fathers (JPC) friend:
Henry Grattan (July 3, 1746 - June 6, 1820) who was a member of the Irish House of Commons and a campaigner for legislative freedom for the Irish Parliament in the late 18th century. He opposed the Act of Union 1800 that merged the Kingdoms of Ireland and Great Britain.)
Although originally named Fitzgerald viz: Henry Gratton he bore the name when he signed John Philpot Curran 1st will, on 17th september 1816. according to O'Regan's memoir of Curran p.300, the testator left 80 pound a year to as he called his his nephews. His so called nephews after the death of their father JPC assumed the name of Curran. As his older brother he Henry Gratton, entered Trinity, Henry Gratton was called to the Bar 6th November 1817, aged 16years & still bore the name of Fitzgerald, he had been born in Tipperary, and was the son of JPC (Latin defunctus.) Now changing his name to Henry Gratton "Curran".After the death of his father JPC Master of the Rolls, Ireland, deceased. It is true that he was the second son of his mother, but four sons of a different mother had preceded him, and if his second series of statements be correct the epithet( Synonyms: nickname, description, appellation, handle, label, sobriquet, moniker)defunct in the first was only intended to mislead.
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Part 2.
The latter Curran practiced at the Irish Bar for some years, then become Resident Magistrate, one of his stations being Birr and another Strokestown. According to D.J O'Donoghue's "Dictionary of Irish Writers" 1912 he ws the author of the well-known song the Wearing of the Green He died 12 Feb., 1876 and is buried at Mount Jerome , Dublin, with his half brother, William Henry Curran.
Henry Grattin Curran seems to have had a numerous family of whom the following may be noted from Alumni Dublinenses. All entered Trinity
1. George John Curran, entered 6 Nov.,, 1943, aged 15 years.
2. Frederich Adrian Curran., enteed 1 Jul., 1853 aged 16 years.
3. William Adrian Curran., entered 11 Oct., 1853, aged 17 years
4. Charles Ribton Curran., entered 1 Jul., 1857 aged 16 years.
No.4 in this list was Senior Puisne Judge of the High Court Jamaica.
Some light may perhaps be thrown on the parents of the above-named two Fitzgerald's (Curran's) by reference to Sir John Barrington's personal sketches Vol.1, p.279, where is described a visit he paid with Curran at the latter's request on one of their trips to London to a Miss H, between whom there existed ' a refined friendship"(Curran's phrase) at Spa and elsewhere. This lady was also a friend of Holman, the Actor, and she finally married Major XXX an associate of Mr, Hastings. During the visit another lady, a governess, and two children were in the room; the visitors were cordially welcomed, but a dispute having arisen between Miss H, whose temper was very violent and her feet very long, and Curran over pecuniary affairs, Curran received a buffet on the side of the head which sounded like a pistol shot, and he quitted the house in hurried confusion leaving London for Ireland. Barrington goes on to tell of the Lady's marriage soon after and the noble establishment she had in London , where Curran (Henry Gratton) having made his peace,
became a frequent guest at her table. Mrs XXX afterwards broke her neck by a fall down the stairs whilst in an inebriated state! The Gentleman's Magazine, 3 Feb., 1812, gave apoplexy as the cause of her death.
There can be no doubt that this Mrs XXX is Mary Hughes, daughter of Samuel Hughes of Seskin, Co. Tipperary. Mary Hugh was a beautiful and popular actress.
The latter Curran practiced at the Irsih Bar some years, then became a Resident Magistrate, one of his stations being Birr and another Strokestown. According to D. J. O'Donaghue's dictionary of Irish Writer's, 1912 he was the author of the well-known song 'The Wearing of the Green he died 12 Feb 1876, and is buried at Mount Jerome, Dublin, with his brother William Henry Curran.
Ref: Notes & Queries 3 September, 1949 p.386-
Henry Grattan, 32 Summerhill (barrister - Easter term 1828) Dublin City Directory 1850 : Cullen - Cutler
More:The Concise Oxford Companion to Irish Literature; 2000; ROBERT WELSH; 42 Words Curran, Henry Rattan (1800–1876), poet and novelist. Born in Dublin, the natural son of John Philpot Curran , he became a barrister. His poetry includes ‘The Wearing of the Green’ . He wrote topical novels including Confessions of a Whitefoot (1884).
In 1850 he Henry Grattan lived at:, 32 Summer hill , Dublin.
so Henry Gratton Fitzgerald (Curran) was a bit of a lad!
I do have further info on his children.
I would love to hear any thing you have discovered.
don,t you just luv Genealogy!By the way where do you live?
Regards,
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P.S Sorry for the ramblings i may have repeated myself but hope you get the.....
Sorry if there are spelling mistakes, I'm a Nurse always was a bad typist !
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Dear Fran
Very many thanks for the mountain of detail (the more the better)
It will take some time for me to respond in detail to you but please do not feel slighted as I help others on this link., probably neglecting my own.
Your wonderful research has solved a problem for me . The Dictionary of National Biogra
phy (Victorian Edition -the original) did not show the link of Henry Grattan Curran to his father J.P.Curran However the Probate Calendar for Ireland for 1858 Page 56 shows some particulars of a will for William Henry Curran died 24th August 1858 with Henry Grattan Curran as an executor. Revert if this is not readily available to you and I can post details.
Unless you have something private to say to me let us leave this on the mainstream for now as somebody else may have something to add. Also revert if you have a burning question re my side and maybe I have the answer.
Regards Quaxer
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yes any info on your side would be great! EG. Catherine's parents and other Sib's and dates. Also do you know if Henry Gratton Curran and Catherine Adrien had further children other than I have found?
Yes I see you have found that William Henry who was son of JPC and Sarah Creigh although JPC himself had doubts of his son's parentage, as this was about the time his wife Sarah was having an affair with Reverend Abraham Sandy's.
Although it is written that he William looked very much like JPC!
Fran
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Fran
I know little about computers and type with 2 fingers only.Also this message may come in more than one part as my reply section gives me only 2 inches on the vertical.....Anybody help me on this
Joining my late mother in her outrage over the destruction of the Irish Records I spent many years rebuilding Dublin City records utilising The Irish Times newspaper from 1859-1901 (to dovetail with the 1901 Census) to the detriment of my own work. Firstly let me give you my finds on the Currans 1859 -1880.
July 22nd 1862 shows the death of a John Philpot Curran
January 9th 1865 indicates that Charles Ribton Curran was called to the Bar
March 17th 1865 shows the death of Edward Colles Curran
December 26th 1865 an advert. appeared requesting copies of Curran Family certificates
September 27th 1877 P.1 shows the death of Maria Isabella Graham widow of nephew of J.P.Curran
December 18th 1884 on P.1 is recorded the marriage of Arthur E.R.Curran and Mary A.Nesbitt
I recorded these but have not investigated them as being our Currans so I cannot guarantee the accuracy of the Connection. Will revert with more Quaxer.
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Fran
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The Adriens came to Dublin sometime before 1695 originating from St. Jean Dangely Xaintonge which I believe is near to Nantes in France. They were Huguenot and the early parish registers have many reference to themi.e. Baptisms,Marriages Burials and Witnesses. These registers are in complete in that some were destroyed by thieves.......Your double posting solved one mystery as to H.G. relationship to J.P. but unfortunately has opened anotherThe line with which I am most familiaris that of William Adrien a Tallow Chandler at Nicholas Gate Dublin who died in 1805 (according to Betham). William is mentioned in Wilsons Directory 1761 together with Paul Adrien a Grocer in York Street. I've very little on Paul (memorials of leases on York Street) and I know that he died in 1766. As there is no mention of a Catherine oon William's side then it could be Paul's. Paul had 8 children one of whom may have given birth to Catherine but this is a blank so far. Regards Quaxer.
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Fran
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It was either concentrate on the I.T. project which was the largest task I've handled in my life or sort out the Adriens. J.P.Curran was an excellent wit and I often repeat some of his jokes out here in the U.S. to much merriment. It is said that dinners at The Priory often were consumed stone cold because O JP's sense of humour at the table. Even the servants joined in as was typical of an Irish household. (See also Some Experiences of an Irish R.M.) Servant were considered part of the household and well runn houses would not keep them in their place.
Re the Wearin' of the Green----The Oxford Book of Quotations and 1000 Years of Irish Poetry edited by Kathleen Hoagland in 1947 attribute to Anon with a third stanza by Dion Boucicault and date it from 1798. They could be repeating errors without checking sources and DB was well known apparently to use other's material.so Hg could have written it and DB added to it.
Regards Quaxer
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Your information has given me hope that there are others like me who try and search through newspapers and old historical journals to piece together our Irish past your Mum was right it is an out rage that the destruction of many records of our ancestors have gone. (Here is one such excample of missing information, on writting to Trinity regarding our James Curran they replied:Unfortunately, we do not hold any papers relating to James Curran but our records are incomplete as many of the admission papers of law students and Barristers and apprentice Attorneys are missing. The admission papers used to be kept in the Tholsel (Old City Hall) but in about 1804 they were removed to King’s Inns on open carts which resulted in many being lost in transit. It is possible that we did have the Admission papers belonging to James Curran at one point in the past but they are now missing. :'( :'(
The information you sent I will digest tonight, it looks promising.
I have found a few more references relating to our families which you may wish to look up as I am still unable to do much and no driving for 6 weeks so very restricted....
Here goes: Catherine's father was a John Joseph Adrien not sure if you knew this one?
Also: Catherine and Henry Gratton had 8 sons I have only discovered 4 but these refs to follow may bring forth more! The most promising is of Charles Ribton Curran:Charles, Ribton Curran, entered Trinity 1, July 1857, aged 16 years. He became Senior Puisne Judge of the High court of Jamaica. He was the eight son of Henry Gratton Curran!
Charles, Ribton Curran, entered Trinity 1, July 1857, aged 16 years. He became Senior Puisne Judge of the High court of Jamaica. He was the eight son of Henry Gratton Curran!
Ref: Notes & Queries 3 September, 1949 p.386-
The statutes and laws of the island of Jamaica?
by Jamaica, Charles Ribton Curran - Law - 1889
Notes and queries? - Page 386
by William White - Juvenile Nonfiction - 1949
William Adrian Curran, entered 11 Oct., 1853, aged 17. 4. Charles Ribton Curran,
entered 1 July, 1857, aged 16. No. 4 in this list was Senior Puisne Judge ...
The Handbook of Jamaica ...: comprising historical, statistical and general ...?
History - 1886
Page 547
Charles Ribton Curran, Senior Puisne Judge, to act as Chief Justice during the
absence on leave of the hon. Sir. Adam Gib Ellis, knt. ...
Catalogue of the library of the Royal Colonial Institute: (founded 1868 ...?
by Royal Empire Society. Library, James Rufus Boosé - History - 1895 - 543 pages
Page 536
C. Ribton Curran. Charles II. to Victoria, AD 1681-1888. 12 vols. 1889 Laws of
Jamaica. 1845, 1866-94 Chronological Table of Statutes and Laws to close of ...
Alumni dublinenses: a register of the students, graduates, professors and ...? - Page 29
by Trinity College (Dublin, Ireland), George Dames Burtchaell, Thomas Ulick Sadleir - Dublin (Ireland) - 1935 - 1053 pages
CURRAN, CHARLES RIBTON, Pen. (Dr. Flynn), July 1, 1857, aged 16 ; s. of Henry
Grattan, Magistrate ; b. Dublin. BA Vern. 1863. CURRAN, FREDERICK ADRIAN, Pen.
Debrett's House of Commons and the judicial bench?
edited by Robert Henry Mair - Biography & Autobiography - 1891
Page 381
Charles Ribton CURRAN, only surviving son of the late Henry Grattan Curran, Esq.
, RM, of Parsonstown, by Catherine, da. of the late John Joseph Adrien, ...
Register of admissions to the Honourable Society of the Middle Temple, from ...?
by Middle Temple (London, England) - Biography & Autobiography - 1949 - 1174 pages
Page 539
2 CHARLES RIBTON CURRAN, of Trinity College, Dublin, (23), eighth son of Henry
Gratton C. , of Parsonstown, King's County, Ireland, barrister at law and ...
King's Inns admission papers, 1607-1867?
by Edward Keane, P. Beryl Phair, Thomas Ulick Sadlier, King's Inns (Dublin, Ireland), Irish Manuscripts Commission - Biography & Autobiography - 1982 - 524 pages
Page 116
CHARLES RiBTON. 8th s. of Henry Grattan, BL, RM, Birr, King's Co., and Catherine
Adrian; b. 10 June 1838; ed. TCD M 1861. MT, E 1863. M 1864. CURRAN. ...
i am most interested in the red refs but unable to get to them or even we may not have them here in Australia, so if you do find any further info, let me know. Yes our JPC was a great man and he will never be duplicated... One ref that I found on him is my most favorite of his humour and wit. Just the day before he died, on the Doctor visiting him they conversed: Doc: Mr Curran your cough is getting worse JPC: that's funny I have been practicing all night....lol even on his death bed he still had it......
Hope to hear from you real soon and mostly hope you come up with something from my refs.
Regards once more,
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Fran
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Fran
Many thanks. You have solved one of my missing links. On William Adrien's side I have a John Joseph Adrien born i.n 1830 and died a military surgeon in Malta in 1862 having married an Eliza Mary Griffin (of Galway).They had 2 children(names unknown).The widow's death is reported in the Irish Times on November 2nd 1868 at No. 47 Lower Gloucester Street Dublin. Clearly not the one as the time is against but alas I still cannot make the connection to my Adrien crush.
On further thought there is a slim chance that I have a connection here. William who died in June 1805 had married Alice daughter of Michael and Fanny Kelly -Rectifying Distillers of Pembroke Quay Dublin and they had 7 children according to Sir William Betham who had sight of William's will before it was destroyed in 1922. In his notebook of abstracts of will he records a son Joseph (not John Joseph) who I traced as having married Mary Anne dau of Felix Kearney.
contd. Quaxer
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Fran No.2 contd
Re Joseph...Just looked at the memorial othe Settlement deed (No.416905) dated 22-4-1809 which recites that Joseph was to receive 961 pounds from Mary's estate before marriage and the marriage had yet to take place.....It looks that this is a dead end as Catherine would only have been 11 years of age on marriage in 1821.A public scandal even in the age of GeorgeIV.
I really think that Catherine and her father John Joseph are on Paul's side and I am still missing a link i.e. who was the father of the John Joseph you found.
J.P.Curran was heavily involved with the men of 1798 in that he defended quite a few while William Adrien's son John (1760-1827) M.D.(Paris) was also very prominent When Major Sirr captured Lord Edward Fitzgerald ,John was the first surgeon called in to attend to the Lord. Any body with any further interest in this medical world???
Regards Quaxer
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Fran No.3
Extract from the Irish Probate Calendar 1858 P.56
William Henry Curran Effects under 17,000 pounds
14 September The will with one codicil of William Henry Curran late of No. Fitzwilliam Place in the City of Dublin Esq. a retired Commissioner of the Insolvent Court , deceased who died 24 August 1858 at No.9 Fitzwilliam place aforesaid was proved at the Principal Registry by the oaths of Henry Grattan Curran of Strokestown in the County of Roscommon Stipendiary Magistrate and Edward Geale of No.27 Leeson Street Dublin Esq., the Executors.
Regards Quaxer
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Hi once again I'm seeing lots of info on Adrien's and Curran's as surgeon's!
to answer your question on who was the father of John Joseph Adrien well don't have the answer yet it only states that Catherine was his daughter and the she was the wife of the late henry Gratton Curran, you will have to get that full ref from the book quoted to maybe get further!
The Navy list - Page 59
by Great Britain. Admiralty - History - 1864
4 Aug 433 George Rüssel Pickthorn, MD 4 Aug 266 Frederick Adrien Curran . 4 Aug
44 Samuel M 'Bean .... 4 Aug 290 George Robert Lawrenson . ...
the medical register
1864
... George CURRAN Frederick-Adrien... CURRAN Henry CURRAN James CURRAN Thomas
The Treble almanack ...: containing: I. John Watson Stewart's almanack. II ... - Page 43
1832
Adrien (Mrs.) Seminary for young Ladies, 77, James' s-street, Watt. ... Alday (
Paul) Music and Piano -forte Ware-house, 1O, Dame-street. .
The Mercantile Navy List and Maritime Directory for 1868
... 56 121 Paul Marie Adrien ... МП Saxon, Dublin SM'WH 37 Thoiuaa Pile, Dublin.
39111 Saxon, Hayle 164 *40 Jame» ...
Wilson's Dublin Directory - 1801 Merchants, Traders, &c - Internet ...
Directory: DUBLIN - Wilson's Dublin Directory - 1801 Merchants, Traders, &c. ... 49 Francis Street Wall, Paul, Skinner, 21 Watling Street Wall, Patrick, Corn chandler, .... Richard, Cooper, 14 N. Bow Street Woodward, Humph Adrien, Dep. ...
Huguenot Families – Genealogical journal - Parish Chest
Peter Street Cemetery, Dublin, review, Michael Gandy, 8. Huguenot Families researched, 9: .... A Record of Anglo-Huguenot Nobility in York Minster, Randolph Vigne, 16 ... Early Records of the Adrian Family, Dr D M A Reekes, 8 ... More Huguenot Marriages, Michael Gandy, 26: St Paul Shadwell 1740-54; ..
Speeches of John Philpot Curran, esq: With a brief sketch of the history of ... - Page 160
History - 1811
Surgeon Hume and Surgeon Adrien were both sworn, wio, after opening the body in
the view of the jury, seemed to have some little difference of opinion, ...
THE DUBLIN UNIVERSITY CALENDAR FOR THE YEAR 1868. - Page 24
1868
Frederick Adrien Curran, MB, . . . . 53. William Carleton, MB, 54. Isaac Waugh,
MB, and M. Ch. (First Place), Date of Examination. 1858. 1859. 1860. ...
Full view - About this book - Add to my library
Your Paul is a dark horse! but you may find something in the ::) above refs or earlier ones sometimes need to go over and over and then you find something, Some of the above will be on line to make it easy but mostly it is a library visit...
I would assume that Paul is either the brother of Catherine or her Grand dad?? you will have to look at your dates and compare, now there is a date for Catherine from a earlier ref sent :CHARLES RiBTON. 8th s. of Henry Grattan, BL, RM, Birr, King's Co., and Catherine
Adrian; b. 10 June 1838; ed. TCD M 1861. MT, E 1863. M 1864. CURRAN
Hope this helps and not confuse. Here from you very soon.
regards,
Francie ::)
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Fran
Thank you for your previous .I am more than pleased with all you turned up but would like to regroup to get the connection between Adrien and Curran
The HG and Catherine marriage took place in 1821 so Catherine was born C.1800 The most complete line that I have created is the William one and Betham abstract shows neither Catherine or John Joseph as offspring of William. William died in 1805 and the 1761 Directory shows him and Paul as being in separate businesses. Paul died on 23-5-1766 according to the Huguenot Parish Registers which also state Paul's children but William is not among them. His only male children are stated to be Thomas'another Paul and Isaac. It is possible that William who died in 1805 was the child of one of those 3 children of the Paul who died in 1766 . Some parish registers for the 1740-1770 period were destroyed by fire by thieves when they could not find the church silver.
This is where the gap is and the link I need. If any off your efforts could home in here from say 1720 - 176o that would be of greatest help in solving this.
Regards Quaxer
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Fran'
There is ashort history of the Adrien family in Sir Charles Camerons History of the Royal College of Surgeons in Ireland which together with medical certificates here and my late mother's input launched the boat for me .She often regretted that in her youth she had not bothered to listen to her father William Edward (1874-1946) when he liked to talk of old days. The oldest memory (oral) dates back to1878/9 when her father as a child accompanied his grandfather (William L.R.C.S.E) on his rounds by pony and trap to his patients....Another world.T
T hat grandfather was the son of The John whom I mentioned before in connection with the United Irishmen.
John purchased No/19 Dawson Street in 1810 and used part of the premises as a Lying In Hospital for his country patients. The premises are now the headquarters of The Royal Irish Academy.
Regards Quaxer
Sometime later I can recall alot of those activities if required but I should mention that he bought No.19 Dawson Street in 1810.
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January 9th 1865 indicates that Charles Ribton Curran was called to the Bar
This has been now established as the son of Henry Gratton Curran.
The following name Graham is the married name of John Philpot Curran's only sister Bridget Graham nee Curran b.1756 d.1817 at 61yrs. She married Garret Graham d.1846
I have found the following children:
1.Philpot b.1803? m Alice Sargent
2.James
3. John Curran b.1785 d.1792
So looks like Maria Isabella Graham is either 2 or 3 wife? Shame they never mentioned husband! Dumb me must be 2 as john Curran would of be 7 when he died! Or there may of been other sons....
September 27th 1877 P.1 shows the death of Maria Isabella Graham widow of nephew of J.P.Curran
Hoping to find more of her and family when I get over to Ireland also her brother James my line!
Regards,
Fran ???
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Hi Fran
Was reading your post here. Have pasted bit from that Graham tree I think I sent to you. Philpot who married Alice Sargent was born 1775 according to this tree......but as these things are not accurate, I would say Philpot Graham (who I think now would be Philpot Curran Graham re the Australian Newspaper site search) was the first born of Garret and Bridget.
I have been looking today and I believe Alice and Philpot Graham must have had several children after they married I believe in 1803.
In the newspapers there is a death notice for William Graham who died at his residence in Liverpool St. Hobart, on 15th January 1871, and it states he is the fourth son of Philpot Curran Graham, Newmarket, County Cork, Ireland, and nephew of the late Right Hon. John Phillpot Curran, Master of the Rolls.
On the Colonial Archives of Tasmania it has the William Graham and others listed on the 'Lady East' 1833, this is the ship my William Robins and Joanna Elizabeth (Graham) came out on, but they continued on to Sydney. The Graham family stayed in Hobart. There is also a younger William and a Philpot Curran Graham and I think these would have come as children with William and his wife. Hopefully the Archives have not made an error.
The following is exerpt of research I think by a Michael Leader.
Fifth Generation
10. Philpot GRAHAM (Garret-4, George-3, Mr-2, Mr-1) was born @ 1775. Erected monument to his father, mother and
wife in Newmarket Churchyard; next gravestone is Philpot family, with same triangular stone...Philpot Graham 1809
Deed 1837
Deed 1839 of Long Acres, Co Cork
Deed 1829 of Newmarket
Deed 14-28 1841, dated 5 Jun 1841 Graham to Barry
A memorial of indenture of lease between Philpot Graham of Newmarket in the County of Cork, gentleman, and Nicholas
Barry of Newmarket of said County, farmer. Philpot Graham did consent to the yearly rent and covenants in said lease
mentioned demise, grant, let...to Nicholas Barry and his heirs...land of Scarteen in the possession of Samuel Gillman Thomas
Cushion and the said Nicholas Barry containing about 12 acres.
Alice was born in 1777. She died on 1 Nov 1815 in Newmarket, co Cork, Ireland. She was buried in Newmarket
Churchyard.
Hope you are on the mend. Posted here so your other contact might view the info. Cheers Mary.
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Hi there,
I'm a newcomer who was recently directed to your posts in response to a query I made about my Robbins/Robins family research. Specifically *Walter Augustus Robbins - my paternal GG Grandfather. Until then I didn't even know what ship he had come out on as I have only recently started on that side of my family after hitting brick walls with the other side. The little information I have is more recent but some snippets of your other posts rang bells that could connect many pieces for me like where the 'Graham' comes from, can you confirm for me that William C. m Johanna/Joanna Elizabeth Graham? because their son *Walter and wife Ann had nine childen and they named one of their daughters Mary 'Graham' Robbins, and their first son Alfred 'Philpot' Robbins. Also is it a fact that *Walter was born on board the ship?
Did you find out about Lt. Charles Robbins and where he fits in? I found some info re him at the NSW State Records. I have many questions but will hold back as some of the answers to these questions might answer many other questions.
I look forward to hearing from you
Regards Jools
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*Have since found out that Walter Augustus Robbins and Ann (Smith) had twelve children.
Jools.
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Hello mcjools!
Perchance did any of your Robbins family have an association with Wilcannia, NSW?
Regards
Elsie
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Hi Elsie,
Yes, they did indeed..quite a long association according to my humble findings. Dare I hope for some more or have you noticed my other posts???
Regards
Jools
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Hi Jools.
No I haven't read any other posts. I asked because some of our close extended family has connections to the Robbins family from Wilcannia.
Regards
Elsie
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Hi again Elsie,
As I mentioned in my initial post Walter Augustus Robbins is my paternal GG Grandfather. He and his wife Ann settled in Wilcannia in the 1830's and raised their children there.
I would like to learn more of your family's connections to these Robbins' as my research is far from complete in that area and any information that could help unravel some persistant knots would be most welcome.
Regards
Jools
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Perhaps Jools we could further this correspondence off line. I'll send you a personal message.
Elsie
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This is my first posting so I hope this works?
I have collected a lot of information for the "two" John Philpott Curran families (i.e. his first marriage to Sarah (Curran) Creagh and their 9 children as well as his 2nd family thru his extramarital relationship with Mrs. Fitzgerald that produced two sons. Does anyone know what Mrs. Fitzgerald's first name was?
My grandfather said my great-great grandmother Kitty Brennan [she was married to J. (James?) P. Delaney] is directly related to John Philpott Curran and I am trying to complete that connection. My Brennan/Delaney relatives lived in the Castlecomer, Kilkenny, Ireland area and my great grandfather was born in Lowan (Loan) Castlecomer, Ireland.
I have the following 2 documents that I can share in PDF for anyone interested; however, it would probably work best for me to email them directly thru your email unless you have another suggestion:
1. List of most of John Philpott Curran relatives (size=141KB) for multiple generations that includes most of their birth, death, marriage information.
2. A family tree (size=479KB) I prepared with photos for John Philpott Curran and my great and great-great grandparents that includes John Philpott Curran's father and grandfather and all "11" of his children and it also includes information on my great and great-great grandparents that I think should be about the time to connect directly to one of John Philpott Curran's relatives.
My direct email is: *
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Hi vj45,
Have sent you a PM.
Regards
mcjools
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Yes I have extensively researched my Curran line! So we may be able to exchange information, I will be looking forward to hearing from you! P.s The name of Mrs Fitzgerald has never been found or known! There were two sons and a daughter born to JPC and Mrs Fitzgerald. If you know more great I will await your reply.
Fran
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Nugent,
Would you like me to send you the following two documents (in pdf format) I have relating to John Philpott Curran's family members - if you email me your email address I will attach and forward them to you? Earlier I sent these two documents to another Poster via their email address that they included in their request:
1. List of most of John Philpott Curran relatives (size=141kb) for multiple generations that includes most of their birth, death, marriage, and other information. This includes information on the two sons born to JPC and Mrs Fitzgerald; however, I did not know about a daughter born to JPC and Mrs Fitzgerald.
2. A family tree (size=479kb) I prepared with photos and other information for John Philpott Curran family members and my great and great-great grandparents that includes John Philpott Curran's father, grandfather and all "11" of his children (9 with his first wife and the two sons born to JPC and Mrs Fitzgerald); however, I did not know about a daughter born to JPC and Mrs. Fitzgerald so she is not included. If she is the youngest of the three she would be the 12th child conceived by John Philpott Curran unless you know of more? It also includes information on my great and great-great grandparents that lived in the Castlecomer area of Ireland that I think should be close to the correct time period to connect them directly to one of John Philpott Curran's relatives.
I look forward to exchanging information for mutual benefit in completing our family trees.
Thank you, Vic
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Fran,
I am new at using this system and I was in a hurry to respond to your last posting and referred to you as Nugent after which I noticed your name was Fran - which name is best for responses on this Chat?
This is my "3rd" posting so I guess I am now qualified to use the PM function?
Regards, Vic
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Hi,
Fran is fine that the name lol! ;D
Looking forward to hearing how your research differs from mine.
Cheers,
Fran
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I have the following children born to JPC 1st master of the rolls patriot...and Mrs Fitzgerald!
1. Emily, Jane, Fitzgerald b. abt 1789 d.? Australian, Melbourne connections
2. John, Philpot, Fitzgerald b.1798 d. 1862 New Zealand connections
3. Henry, Stowel, Gratton, Fitzgerald b.1799 d.1872 Jamacian....
Sure I would be happy to see what you have collected to compare with my tree we could exchange info are your files to large to attach here?
:D
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I do research on the history of the Strokestown area and came across these posts when checking out Henry Grattan Curran, R.M. The following story may be of interest, if you have not already seen it. Any information about Henry's term as R.M. in Strokestown would be most appreciated.
Happy 2012
Mike
FROM ROSCOMON AND LEITRIM GAZETTE, AUGUST 30, 1851
Melancholy Accident
From a Correspondent
An inquest was held on the 24th inst. before T. P. Peyton, Esq., Coroner, and a respectable jury, on view of the body of John Philpot Curran, Esq., eldest son of Henry Grattan Curran, Esq., R.M., at his residence, Strokestown, when the following melancholy circumstances were detailed by Bartholomew Mahon and Henry Brown, Esqs.
On Saturday evening the 23rd inst., the above named gentlemen, and the deceased Mr. Curran, with the Masters John and Cornelius Dillon, of Mount Dillon, were invited to a dinner party at the residence of Mrs. Mahon, Strokestown, and on their arrival proceeded to a dressing-room to prepare for dinner, and in which all the party had assembled. On the chimney-piece were lying a case of pocket pistols, and a case of duelling pistols. Mr. Cornelius Dillon (a lad of fifteen years of age) took up one of the pocket pistols, and Mr. Mahon said to him “For God’s sake leave then down as they are loaded” which he did, and the deceased Mr. Curran left the room for fear of an accident, but returned again in about five minutes, when Mr. Cornelius Dillon took up one of the dwelling pistols (which was believed not to be loaded) and Mr. Mahon said to Mr. John Dillon “examine that pistol” which he did assisted by his brother, Mr. Cornelius Dillon, by putting the ramrod down the barrel, and they said “It is not loaded.” There was then no notice taken of Mr. C. Dillon fiddling with the dwelling pistols, when he was observed standing in a side position, playfully to raise his arm, stretched out, and snapped the pistol towards the deceased, Mr. Curran, which made a loud report, and he instantly fell dead. A bullet wound appeared in his forehead, from which he bled profusely. Mr. C. Dillon then exclaimed “Oh, God, have I shot him!”
Surgeon Doyle examined the deceased and stated there was a gunshot wound in his right temple, and a portion of brain protruding, which was sufficient to cause instant death. It appeared on a subsequent examination of the pistol that the ram-rod was about two inches short, which deceived then when examining it.
Mrs. Curran’s state of distraction is beyond all description. She could not be induced to remove her lips from the face of the lifeless body of her son, and she appeared perfectly insensible as to what had happened to him, and frequently called him expecting a reply. The melancholy event has cast a general gloom over the town and neighbourhood of Strokestown. The lamented young gentleman, who was in his 20th year, was universally respected and beloved by all who had the pleasure of his acquaintance. Mr. Curran, the father of the deceased, attended the inquest, and till then did not learn the melancholy particulars; his faultering voice and quivering lips evidently betrayed his suffering, and, after fainting a second time, had to be carried away before the conclusion.
All the parties lived on the most friendly terms, and the melancholy accident is deeply lamented by the innocent author of the deed.
Verdict – We find that the death of the aforesaid John Philpot Curran was caused by a pistol shot wound in his forehead, inflicted accidently by Mr. Cornelius Dillon, at Strokestown, on the 23rd day of August, 1851.
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Thanks very much for that article on John Philpot Curran son of Henry Gratton Fitzgerald (Curran).
No I have never read it before it is very interesting article! I have some material on Henry Gratton Curran which I could send to you if your are interested, it does state that he held positions in and practised at the Irish Bar for some years, then become Resident Magistrate, one of his stations being Birr and another Strokestown. So lets know if you would like this info.
I would love to go through all the Irish papers to see if I can pick up lost information like this, but it is very costly, form my side of the world Australia, we do have some Irish papers in the National Library but have only found tip bits so far.
Thanks once again for taking the time to send information which adds further interest into Our Curran's.
Cheers,
Fran
P.S Happy New Year hope it's not to could over there! We are melting here up in the 40tys, would love some snow! :)
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Hello Fran
Yes, I would appreciate your details on H G Curran. My email is *
It's probably a coincidence but a Maria Dillon, an aunt of the 2 Dillon boys in the shooting story, married Thomas Fitzgerald of Fane Valley, Co. Louth in Jan 1828. She had a son called Percy who was and author, critic, painter and sculptor. Percy died in 1925.
It is cold and stormy in Ireland, but I am writing this from Dubai where I am visiting my son.
Best wishes
Mike
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