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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Wales => Topic started by: blodwyn on Thursday 24 February 05 01:08 GMT (UK)
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Hello, I am looking for my grandfather's birthplace. The only information I have is that my grandfather Alfred Ashford was born July 1846 in Wales, Parents were Henry Ashford and Emma Whaler.
I was told to try looking through census records for Crickhowell, Breconshire Wales, and Narborth, South Wales.I am hoping the census records will help me pinpoint were the family was living at the time of Alfred's birth.
Any information you can give would be greatly appreciated, With Best Regards, and Much Thanks,Margaret
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Hi blodwyn,
Crickhowell and Narberth (!) are miles away from each other. Crickhowell as you say in Brecon and Narberth in Pembroke.
There must be a good reason for you to be told to look there. Can you elaborate?
Ashford is not a common name in Wales, the the chances of you finding him are relatively good. The best place to start is on the LDS site, with the 81 census. I had a look there, entering only his name and Wales as place of birth. You are in luck - there is a grand total of 1 entry for this name. Sorry I can't copy the info, but if you look, he's there in Denbigh, living with his brother Thomas and sister Sarah H., all 3 born in Begelly, Pembs.
My next suggestion would be to look at the 71 census on ancestry for these names - the chances are that Sarah will still be living with her parents.
Following that, look for Alfred and Thomas with their parents in Begelly in the 1851 census.
If you look at the freebmd site (sorry I can't from work - the site is blocked) you may well find their births, and knowing their parents names from the 51 census, you can order not only their birth certificates, but also their parents marriage cert. THAT will give you the names of Alfred pat. grandfather at least.
Good luck
D ap D
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1871 Census
Alfred is 24 and living at The Free Trade Hall, 48 High Street, Rhudden, Flintshire. He is an Assistant Draper to Thomas Griffiths, A Linen and Woollen Draper.
1881 Census
Alfred is 35 and living at 44 High Street Denbigh. He was born in Begelly, South Wales. Occupation Grocer & Wine & Spirit Dealer employing 3 boys. His sister Sarah,33, lives with him. She is the Housekeeper. And his brother Thomas, 33, is his business partner.
1891
Alfred is 44, still living at the same address with Thomas and three servants. Family Grocers.
Good luck with the rest of your search!
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I do thank you all so much for your help with my search. But unfortunatly this Alfred is not my grandfather.
My grandfather came to America in 1850 at the age of 9 with his parents Henry and Emma, and sisters Sarah and Mary Ann.
I did find a few entires for Alfred Ashford on the FREE BMD site, and a friend of mine who is of Welsh descent told me only two entries on the BMD were registered in Wales, those entries were in Narborth, and Crickhowell.My friend suggested I see if there are any census records from the 1840's or 1850 that might list Henry & Emma, that way I would be able to narrow down the location were my grandfather was born
Census records here in the U.S. date back to the 1700's I'm not sure how far census records go back for Wales.
I do Thank You all again for your help. It is so greatly appreciated.
With Kindest Regards,
Margaret
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Hello Margaret
Here is the family in 1851.
Breconshire HO107 2490 523 1
Brynmawr
Ashford Henry h m 36 coal miner Somerset Mason
Emma w m 38 " "
Alfred s u 8 scholar BREC Brynmawr
Sarah d u 3 " " "
This would tie in with the alfred born crickhowell district
Rhys
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Hello Margaret
Here is the family in 1851.
Breconshire HO107 2490 523 1
Brynmawr
Ashford Henry h m 36 coal miner Somerset Mason
Emma w m 38 " "
Alfred s u 8 scholar BREC Brynmawr
Sarah d u 3 " " "
This would tie in with the alfred born crickhowell district
Rhys
Dear Rhys, This is my Ashford Family.I want to Thank You from the bottom of my heart for the census information you posted.I am assuming the Somerset listed behind Henry & Emma's names means they were born in Somerset England.If so, I have been looking for Henry's birth or marriage records in the wrong County!!! I was told by family members that he was born in Lancashire.I will now try searching in Somerset.
Again, I want to thank you for your help. It is so greatly appreciated.
With Kindest Regards,
Margaret