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Title: Killarney Scrahane
Post by: Malmsbury on Wednesday 03 June 09 07:33 BST (UK)
I have found my gggrandfather on the Griffiths Valuation, his name was John Powel can anyone help with how I can find out a bit more of the Powel family.John married Cath Flynn they had a daughter Ellen who arrived in South Australia on the Elgin 1849.
I really appreciate any help given in looking for my family.I know they were Catholic but not much more
Thankyou
Gayle
Title: Re: Killarney Scrahane
Post by: Perter on Monday 09 August 10 06:30 BST (UK)
Gayle.. Ellen Flynn was my g/g/grandmother.. My Ellen also arrived in S.A. ON THE ELGIN 1849.. important to both of us we discuss further
Peter
Title: Re: Killarney Scrahane
Post by: Perter on Monday 09 August 10 06:41 BST (UK)
I am in South Australia with instant access to some state b/d/m records if you need help
Title: Re: Killarney Scrahane
Post by: Malmsbury on Monday 09 August 10 09:04 BST (UK)
Hi Perter
My Ellen was Elllen Powel ......Her mother was Cath Flynn I have not been able to find a thing on Ellen..
Any info we could share more than happy
Gayle
Title: Re: Killarney Scrahane
Post by: Perter on Monday 09 August 10 09:33 BST (UK)
wondering if they were cousins or from same workhouse..
where did you find your workhouse records?
Title: Re: Killarney Scrahane
Post by: Perter on Monday 09 August 10 09:34 BST (UK)
do you need any b/d/m info from south australia on ellen powell ??
Title: Re: Killarney Scrahane
Post by: Malmsbury on Monday 09 August 10 09:40 BST (UK)
Is there anything there?? I have not been able to find a birth for Thomas her son

I appreciate any help been a long long search this line..
thanks for contact
gayle
Title: Re: Killarney Scrahane
Post by: Perter on Monday 09 August 10 09:43 BST (UK)
do you know who she married.. or you want me to search for that?
Title: Re: Killarney Scrahane
Post by: Perter on Monday 09 August 10 09:49 BST (UK)
did she marry henry cock
Title: Re: Killarney Scrahane
Post by: Malmsbury on Monday 09 August 10 09:56 BST (UK)
Ellen Powel married Richard Burke here in Melbourne 1854

witness Margret Condon William Wood
Title: Re: Killarney Scrahane
Post by: Perter on Monday 09 August 10 10:00 BST (UK)
ohh. i only have south aust records
Title: Re: Killarney Scrahane
Post by: Malmsbury on Monday 09 August 10 10:04 BST (UK)
Can you find a birth for a Thomas to Ellen Powel or Burke
Title: Re: Killarney Scrahane
Post by: Perter on Monday 09 August 10 10:06 BST (UK)
not in s.a. records
Title: Re: Killarney Scrahane
Post by: aghadowey on Monday 09 August 10 10:08 BST (UK)
Can you find a birth for a Thomas to Ellen Powel or Burke
You might be better posting a query on the AUSTRALIA board to see if anyone can help with this.
Title: Re: Killarney Scrahane
Post by: Malmsbury on Monday 09 August 10 10:18 BST (UK)
Thanks Perter bit of a mystery maybe just not registered....
Thanks for looking
Title: Re: Killarney Scrahane
Post by: shanew147 on Monday 09 August 10 10:32 BST (UK)
found a possible baptism for Ellen Powel on www.irishgenealogy.ie

 Parish - Killarney RC
 Date : 4 December 1826  (derived from other details in the register)
 Name : Ellen Powel
 Address : Fossa
 Father : John Powel
 Mother : Catherine Flynn
 Sponsor : Mary Leye
 Priest : Rev. J. Mahoney

see : link (http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/fc4b1d1741384)


Shane
Title: Re: Killarney Scrahane
Post by: Perter on Monday 09 August 10 10:48 BST (UK)
that is possible..
is there a way for you to email me
Title: Re: Killarney Scrahane
Post by: Malmsbury on Monday 09 August 10 10:51 BST (UK)
Thankyou Shanew yes that is my family  ;D :)
Title: Re: Killarney Scrahane
Post by: shanew147 on Monday 09 August 10 11:46 BST (UK)
Hi Malmsbury... I dont see any sign of a marriage for John and Catherine or other children on that website, and the RC records for Killarney go back to about 1792. Maybe they came from a nearby parish where older records dont exist.

Perter  - I'm not sure I get the connection to this thread.. where was Ellen Flynn born ?  Do you have details on her parents ?


Shane
Title: Re: Killarney Scrahane
Post by: Perter on Monday 09 August 10 11:50 BST (UK)
best i have.. born cork c 1832
from a workhouse to aust age 16 orphan
arrive elgin
Title: Re: Killarney Scrahane
Post by: shanew147 on Monday 09 August 10 11:56 BST (UK)
best i have.. born cork c 1832
from a workhouse to aust age 16 orphan
arrive elgin

Searching for Co. Cork parish records (largest county in Ireland) without further location details will be very difficult, and Flynn is quite a common surname increasing the number of possible matches. Without details of parents I cannot see any way to verify any possible records you find.

Parish records for some parts of Cork City and west county are on the IrishGenealogy website mentioned above. Some other parts of the county are only available on a pay website (IFHF)


Shane
Title: Re: Killarney Scrahane
Post by: Perter on Monday 09 August 10 12:08 BST (UK)
did you get my email
Title: Re: Killarney Scrahane
Post by: shanew147 on Monday 09 August 10 15:04 BST (UK)
Thankyou Shanew yes that is my family  ;D :)

just wondering ....on the Elgin passenger list Ellen is listed as an orphan. If so - would her father be included in Griffith's, which is dated 1853 for Killarney ? (mentioned in 1st post in this thread (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,385113.msg2571547.html#msg2571547))


Shane
Title: Re: Killarney Scrahane
Post by: Perter on Monday 09 August 10 17:15 BST (UK)
In the Elgin passenger lists all the passengers were orphans.

I have studied Workhouse history quite a bit.. it doesn't necessarilly mean that both parents were deceased, but children had nothing more to do with parents when admitted to care(if you want to call it that) of a workhouse.
Even husbands & wives if admitted were kept apart.

My only hope of finding Ellen Flynns parents would be if the workhouse she was in kept records.. some did.. some didnt
Title: Re: Killarney Scrahane
Post by: keren22 on Thursday 19 August 10 14:07 BST (UK)
I have found my gggrandfather on the Griffiths Valuation, his name was John Powel can anyone help with how I can find out a bit more of the Powel family.John married Cath Flynn they had a daughter Ellen who arrived in South Australia on the Elgin 1849.
I really appreciate any help given in looking for my family.I know they were Catholic but not much more
Thankyou
Gayle
                                                                                                                                                                              hi,keren from queensland, im to interested in ellen flynn, sounds like we are on the same track,i have ellens sister her name is margaret flynn who married enoch bates of gawler south australia .had two children and moved to victoria,talk to soon thank-you keren :D
Title: Re: Killarney Scrahane
Post by: Malmsbury on Thursday 19 August 10 20:20 BST (UK)
Hi Keren could be related...my Ellen was Ellen Powel her mother was Cath Flynn but if from the same area could be connection.

Gayle
Title: Re: Killarney Scrahane
Post by: Perter on Wednesday 01 September 10 04:58 BST (UK)
Yes Keren.. we are on same track..
I am waiting for St George Church, Gawler to do search for Enoch & Margaret wedding details.
Can tell you (much to my suprise) the church is Anglican as is church in Burra where Thomas & Ellen wed.

Peter
Title: Re: Killarney Scrahane
Post by: keren22 on Wednesday 01 September 10 08:23 BST (UK)
hi, peter, yes both sisters were married in the anglican church,mum was told apparenrally one brother come from america to see their sisters found out they married in anglicn church and wipped the sisters of ,because strict catholic,and setteled in tasmania,thats what come down from mums side,if its true we dont know, talk to you soon keren
Title: Re: Killarney Scrahane
Post by: Malmsbury on Thursday 02 September 10 04:08 BST (UK)
Hi everyone..trying to follow the Flynn line my family from Scrahane Killarney are Cath Flynn married John Powel they had a daughter Ellen who came here on the Elgin..can anyone help me with this family??

best wishes Gayle