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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Wales => Montgomeryshire => Topic started by: pauleyboy on Tuesday 02 June 09 22:08 BST (UK)
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my granmother was from forden maiden name mctavish any info would be great
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any other info.... dates first name ?
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THe only female McTavish birth that I can see on the North Wales BMD is 1926, Welshpool RD which includes Forden. The name begins with an A and second name begins with an M . I don't want to mention the full names as she might be still alive :-\
If this is the correct one , I can give you the birth registration reference number and you'll then be able to order the certificate and find out her parents' names.
Gadget
Sorry if this sounds a bit cagey but Rootschat's policy is not to mention names of living people
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There are three other McTavish births (all males) between 1920 and 1926 in Welshpool RD. One could possibly be a twin to the female that I've referred to.
The GRO ref (Forden) gives her mother's surname as Hughes. The male has the same ref. so they would have been twins.
Gadget
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yes my grandmother was a twin and she was born in 1926,its the mctavish im intrested in as its not a run of the mill welsh name
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Her birth cert ref is:
Sept q, 1926, Forden vol 11b page 253
This will give her father's name.
I'll see if I can find a marriage between a Mctavish and a Hughes and get back to you.
Gadget
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Strange - the only one that I can find is between a Donald William Mctavish and either an Alice Evans or an Olive Maud Williams, Welshpool, 1920
I think getting the birth cert might be your best way of finding her parents' names.
Gadget
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thats my great grandad donald william mctavish,i wonder were he come from having a name like that ,my nan told me he built the railway line in welshpool so he could be from out of the area,i would say scotland.
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Marriage is registered Sep qtr 1920. It was a Civil marriage, so unfortunately won`t be in Parish Registers, you will have to pay for the certificate. :(
Could Alice have been a widow , MMN Hughes and married a Evans ???
Deaths, could Donald have moved away after Alice died.
Alice McTavish born c 1887 died 1971 Welshpool Montgomeryshire
Donald William McTavish born c 1888 died 1974 Barnsley Yorkshire West Riding,
There is this record for 1901, the age matches ,
but you will have to get the marriage certificate of Donald
to confirm his fathers name and occupation. This will also show if Alice was indeed a widow.
1901
RG13; Piece: 3441; Folio: 113; Page: 12. All children born Livepool.
11 Siddely St, Toxteth Park, Liverpool
John McTavish 48 Police constable, b Scotland
Catherine McTavish 43 wife b I(sle) of Man
Marion T McTavish 15 dau
Donald W McTavish son 12 b c 1889
Florence M McTavish 10 dau
John H McTavish 8 son
Elizabeth G McTavish 5 dau
Archibald McTavish 3 son
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Hi
To avoid going around in circles, much of this information was given earlier in the thread - last year!
Did you get the birth certificate?
Also, you could have a look at the 1911 census - www.1911census.co.uk
Gadget
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Well spotted Gadget, I didn`t notice 2009, ::)
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I see from the census that you quoted that Donald was b. Liverpool but his father was b. Scotland .
There's only one John Mctavish of that age showing on the IGI - 7th March 1853 to Donald McTavish and Catherine McArthur, Saddell And Skipness, Argyll
It might not be him as this was before official registration in Scotland so only church of Scotland baptisms would be shown.
Gadget
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bingo ,my nan is 85 she told me her dad was born in liverpool,there was two marriages.my nan s mother was alice m hughes,we live in barnsley.this has to be them,so donalds father was from argyll and bute in scotland.name john mctavish
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1891 RG12; Piece: 2933; Folio 61; All children born Toxteth
10 Powis St ? Toxteth
John M McTavish 38 Police constable b Scotland.
Catherine McTavish 33 b Isle of Man
Catherine McTavish 7
Marion J McTavish 5
Donald W McTavish 2
Florence M McTavish 3 weeks
I don`t know about this one, it`s only that he is in a Police Station that caught my eye.
Many of the names on the same page are described as Prisoners, but not John.
1881
John McTavish
Age: 26 Estimated birth year: abt 1855
Relationship: Protection
Occupation: Genl Lab
Where born: Glasgow, Lanarkshire
Civil parish: Glasgow Blackfriars County: Lanarkshire
Address: 9 So Albion St (Police Office)
MODIFIED
It seems the birthplace given as Glasgow doesn`t match the later ones given as Saddell And Skipness, Argyll.
Maybe this is not your John even though he seems to employed in a Police Station.
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Marriage
Mar q, 1883, Liverpool vol 8b p 194
John Mctavish and Catherine Goldsmith on same page
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A couple of Catherines, I would go for the first one on the basis that she is in Liverpool, and her employers have a connection to Scotland.
Of course this needs to be confirmed by certifcates.
1851 HO107; Piece: 2524; Folio: 140
Bride
William Goldsmith 38 farmer b Bride
Jane Goldsmith 34 b Andreas
Elizabeth Goldsmith 9
William Goldsmith 7
John Goldsmith 5
Catherine Eslquet (unsure of relationship )19
1861 RG9; Piece: 4425; Folio: 11
Folens Houses, Maughhold IOM
Wm Goldsmith 50 farmer b Bride
Jane Goldsmith 44 wife b Andreas
John Goldsmith 15 b Bride
Anne Jane Goldsmith 6 b Ramsey
Mary Ellen Goldsmith 1 b "
Catherine Goldsmith 4 b Ramsey b c 1857
Sarah Hawthorn 17
1871 RG10; Piece: 5773; Folio: 180
3 Kings Road Maughhold
same family as above but Catherine is now
Kate Goldsmith 14.
1881 RG11; Piece: 3623; Folio: 94
161 Chatham St , Abercromby, Liverpool
James Veitch 46 Teacher NA Edinburgh b Edinburgh
Anna Veitch 36 wife b Edinburgh
James Veitch 10 b Liverpool
William MacGregor Veitch 7 b "
Anna H. Veitch 9 b "
Kate Goldsmith 21 Domestic servant b Ramsey
Mary Gardner 18 " b Liscard
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1871 RG10; Piece: 5772; Folio: 171
Grosvener Inn, Andreas.
Thomas Goldsmith 52 Inn keeper b Bride IOM
Mary A Goldsmith 42 wife b Peel
Walter Goldsmith 17 apprentice joiner b Andeas
Thomas A Goldsmith 15 b "
Mary A Goldsmith 13 b "
Catherine E Goldsmith 11 b Andreas b c 1860
James H Goldsmith 10 b "
George Goldsmith 8 b"
Edward Goldsmith 6 b "
In 1881 this family are still at the Grosvener Inn, but Catherine is not there.
She has either died, moved or married.
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Hi again
The Catherine, b. Ramsay, looks pretty, good :)
John Mctavish was, I'm pretty certain having looked at SP,etc. and his age, born Skipness, Argyll so it's worth tracing his parents, Donald McTavish and Catherine McArthur~
They married in Sadell and Skipness 27th April 1850
Following children to the couple - all Sadell and Skipness:
20 April 1851 - Catherine
7 March 1853 - John
5 August 1855 - Mar(r)ion
28 Sept 1865 - Hector
1861:
Saddell Castle, Saddell, 2Argyll
Reg Dist 531/1 ED 1 Page 2
McTavish
Donald, 49, Herdsman
Catherine,39
Catherine,10
John, 8
Sarah, 5
Mary, 3
Ann (9), 1, b. Saddell
All others born Skipness
I've had a quick look on the 1871 but can't spot them straight away.I'll have another look later.
Gadget
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This looks like John McTavish in 1871
Whitestone, Saddell, Argyll (531/1 ED 1 page 5)
John McTavish, aged 18, born Skipness, General Servant in the household of Charles McKinlay, a farmer of 21 acres.
Gadget
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Just looked up the death of Donald McTavish, John's father on Scotland's People:
17 April 1893 - Donald McTavish, labourer, married to Catherine mcArthur, Skipness Village, aged 80
Parents - Dugald mcTavish, blacksmith and Catherine, maiden surname Campbell, both deceased.
Cause - cystitis and enlarged prostate (5 years) 6 months . Certified by Duncan mcmillan, MB
Informant - Catherine Paterson, daughter, present at death.
Gadget
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Catherine Mctavish (nee Mcarthur) was still around in 1901:
Skipness Village, Skipness, Argyll
531/2 ED 1 Page 6
Catherine McTavish, 81, b. Skipness
Catherine Paterson,daughter, 49, b. Skipness
Catherine McArthur McGillivray, grddaur, 15, b. Glasgow
Donald Hector Russell, grdson, 6 , b. Glasgow
Nearest that I can get to Catherine's baptism is:
Baptism Saddell and Skipness 8 Jan 1820
Katherin McArthur
Parents - Hector McArthur and Meran Carmichal
Gadget
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Alice Hughes is my paternal great Grandmother. My G'Grandfather was Alice's first husband, John Evans. He died during the Great war.
I'm on GenesReunited and can be contacted via that site.
regards
Mike
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My grandmother Catherine was the eldest sister of Donald William McTavish( who lived at one time in Welshpool). Their parents were John McTavish from Skipness and Catherine Goldsmith from Ramsey. I have been researching both these families. I have gone back to 1730 with the McTavish line and the early 1600's on the Isle of Man. Happy to share any info I have collected so far.
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great news,i would certainley like that info.my nan new were her dad came from but not her grandparents cant wait to tell her,
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Donald William McTavish (named after his two grandfathers) was born in Liverpool (Toxteth) abt. 1889 to John McTavish (Police constable) and Catherine Goldsmith. John McTavish was born in Skipness to Donald McTavish (shepherd) and Catherine McArthur. Looking at earlier posts you will have the info already about this family from the census. They also went by the surname of Thomson for a number of years before reverting back to McTavish. Donald McTavish died on 20/4/1893 in Skipness and his wife Catherine on 24/2/1904. This family are from Skipness , Scotland but spent a few years at Saddell, before coming back to Skipness Village. These are the members of John McTavish's family :-
Catherine McTavish born 1851 married William Paterson (joiner) in Glasgow
John McTavish born 1853 married Catherine Goldsmith in Liverpool
Marion McTavish born 1856 married Norman McGillivray (mason) in Glasgow
Mary McTavish born 1858 married David Russell (coachman) in Glasgow
Annie McTavish born 1860 died aged 21 in childbirth,unmarried. Son James also died 11 days later.
Flora McTavish born 1861 died unmarried in 1942 (worked as a laundry maid at Skipness House)
Hector McTavish born 1865 (mentally disabled)
Catherine, Marion and Mary went to Glasgow to work in service.
John McTavish died in Liverpool on 13/12/1917. Before he retired he was a fireman in the picturehouse. Always thought this was strange place for a fireman but I have been told that in the early days there was always a fireman at picturehouses as the spools of film were very flammable. Catherine McTavish (Goldsmith) died 7/4/1935. I have a photo of John McTavish and Catherine Goldsmith with my grandmother Catherine and her sister Marion as children. Have you got a copy of this? Also have a few photos of Donald William McTavish in the 1st world war. My Dad who was his nephew looked very like him.
Catherine Goldsmith was born 3/5/1857 in Ramsey to William Goldsmith (born 1811 in Kirkbride), and Jane Teare born 1817 in Andreas. William Goldsmith was a farmer - his parents were Evan Goldsmith and Mary Joughin. Jane Teare's parents were Thomas Teare and Elizabeth Teare (born Ballaugh). Jane Teare's parents farmed East Ballabane in Andreas. Jane had quite a famous uncle (Charles Teare) the "Fairy Doctor"who was well known on the Isle of Man as a healer. Jane died aged 54 years on 7/2/1871. Think I found William Goldsmith born 1844 (Catherine's brother) living in Liverpool on one of the census's and wondered if this was why she came to Liverpool to work herself.
Hope I haven't confused you with all this as a lot of the Christian names are the same. They named their children after family members those days.
This is just a little bit of the family history. Let me know if you want any more info.
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so your dad is my nans first cousin,my nan is still kicking lol shes 85 i will show her this info
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Hi there, I'm related too! My grandad would also have been your grandma's cousin.
If I am right then, Sunlight, your initials are LE and we have been in contact before. My grandad, Donald, was your uncle and my dad is your cousin.
Your info has been so helpful to me and I have a massive family tree on GenesReunited purely because of all your research.