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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Somerset => England => Somerset Lookup Requests => Topic started by: GillianM on Saturday 30 May 09 04:14 BST (UK)
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Hi,
I am trying to find information about this couple, in particular Mary Ann's maiden name. The 1881 census states they were both born in Bath, Somerset. Their daughter Emily Jane was born in Bristol in1855 and they still lived in Bristol in 1881.
Any ideas??
Thanks
Gill ???
New Zealand
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EDIT; I am not so sure about this now after finding them on 1861 Census as there are 2 older children ::) Unless the first 2 are not Roberts and Mary Ann was a widow.
I will have to follow them thru 1851/1871/1841/1891/etc censuses to see what i come up with first.
1861 census seems correct though as Robert has same occp as 1881 and son robert.g. is still living with them.
Back later today as you have gone off-line and I must too-shopping ::)
trish
From www.freebmd.org
Marriage;
Mary Ann BOLLEN
December 1853
Sherborne
5a 771
On same page Robert HILL
Trish
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There are several possibilities for Emily Jane Hill's birth reg. 1853/1856. Just searching under Emily there is one in Sherbourne reg. district.
Emily HILL
June 1854
Sherborne
5a 388
Or it could be any of the others reg in another district.
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The 1881 census you have found is there only Robert/Mary Ann and son Robert George Hill at the residence?
Trish
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Hi Gill,
Yes it is them. Here they are 1861 with Emily :)
1861 Census
15 Castle Street RG9/1715/20/3
Castle Ward, Gloustershire
Robert HILL, head, mar, 37 , cutler, born Bath
Mary.A., wife, 40, born Bath
Fanny.M.A., daug, unm, 10, scholar, born Bristol
Robert.G., son, unm, 9, scholar, born Bristol
Emily.J, daug, unm, 5, born Bristol
trish
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1851 census Robert is married but living away from home, possibly setting up house for family to join him? as they are living there 1861. So we are looking for a marriage pre 1851 now. Index says he is born Ball, but image definitely Bath.
1851 Census HO107/1948/286/26
85 Castle Street
Castle Ward, Gloustershire
Robert HILL, head, married, 23, cutler, born Somerset Bath
trish
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Go to go out but have found Mary Ann Hill and daughter Fanny.M.A. living with Robert Hills parents in 1851 :)
So you have another generation now.
Will post later.
Trish
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1851 Census HO107/1941/272/23
123 Walert? St
St Michael, Bath, Somerset
Robert HILL, head, mar, 45, cutler, born Frome Somerset
Charlote, wife, mar,45, Wilverton Somerset
Ann, daug, unm, 21, Dup? maker, born Bath
Maria, daug, unm, 17, Bath
Emma, daug, unm, 15, Bath
Mary Ann HILL, daug in law, mar,26, born Bath
Fanny.M.A. Hill, grand- daug, unm ,9mths, born Bristol
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Possible marriage;
Mary Ann HAUTREY
December 1844
Wellington.S.
10 749
On same page Robert Hill
The only way you are really going to be able to confirm Mary Anns maiden name is to purchase the marriage cert of one of the children .
Trish
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Thank you Trish for all your detective work. It is so much easier when you have access to all the census information. I will digest all this as I am now going shopping too!
I wonder if anyone can find a birth for Mary Ann HAUTREY about 1821 in Bath.??? This would at least make the marriage links more likely.
Thanks
Gill
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1871 Census
43 Catherine Place, Rich. House RG10/2547/8/8
St Andrews, Bristol/Glous.
Robt. HILL, head, mar, 47, cutler, born Walcot, Bath, Somerset
Mary A, wife, mar, 50, St James, Bath
Fanny.M. daug, unm, 20, milliner, Castle St, Bristol
Robt.G., son, unm, 18, cutler, " " "
EMILY.J., daug, unm, 15, assistant, " " "
I also have 1891 for Robert and Mary Ann.
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Later will see what else I can find. Its raining too much to leave the house yet ::)
Nothing on IGI for Hautrey
The trouble is kids could just be reg under first names and marriage could just be to a Mary, not Mary Ann.
I would purchase marriage cert for one of them. If you are descended from Emily you must have her marriage/death cert?
Trish
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The marriage could have been in Gloustershire also and I have been looking mostly in Somerset. There are too many possibilities ::)
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Hello Gill,
I have found what appears to be the parents of Robert Hill who were Robert Hill and Charlotte, baptising children in Bath. Details as follows:
Bath, St Michael.
10/09/1826 Ann daughter of Robert and Charlotte Hill, Walcot St, Cutler.
28/10/1827 George son as above.
12/10/1828 Jane, daughter as above.
07/02/1830 Maria, daughter as above.
07/08/1831 James, son as above.
08/07/1832 Emma, daughter as above.
23/04/1834 Ellen daughter as above.
Robert appears to have been baptised at Walcot, St Swithin. An entry for a baptism on 31/03/1824 Robert Hill, son of Robert and Charlotte Hill.
I cannot find Mary Hautrey at all.
Jo
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The marriage of Robert HILL senior, is at St Mary's, Bathwick, Somerset.
27/03/1822 Robert HILL, batchelor of Bathwick parish to Charlotte WEBBER, of Bathwick. Witnesses: Ann BIGGS, James BIGGS. By Banns.
Jo
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ERROR ALERT!
Sorry, the baptism for Robert Hill should read 31/03/1824 and not 1834 as shown before.
Amended above.
Jo
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WOW :) ;D
Fantastic Jo
Gill ,
We really need to know how you came to have this family in your research there must be a baptism/marriage/death cert to link all this ???
Cheers,
Trish
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Hi,
Thank you very much Jo and Trish. This couple are my husbands gggrandparents and others have done the family tree following a more recent paternal line. I quite agree I now need to get a certificate to link people and find out Mary Ann's maiden name for certain. It is amazing what you can find out by search ing and asking for help though :D.
I have found a possible marriage for Robert Hill and Mary Ann BARTLETT in 1849 on freeBDM. There are a couple of Mary Ann BARTLETT's born in Somerset and Bath (Familysearch). I need to follow these up more closely. A good coincidence at least.
Thank you and kind regards
Gill
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Good luck Gill :)
Come back if you need any more help later.
Trish
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I suspect that the Mary Anne Bartlett marriage to Robert HILL is the right one here.
I have looked for possible Mary Anne BARTLETT's and found the following:
Baptism Bath, St Michael 30/04/1820.
Mary Anne BARTLETT daughter of Edward BARTLETT and Mary Anne BURR BARTLETT. Abode: New Bond Street. Occupation: gardener.
There were other children baptised by this couple as follows:
08/04/1818 Ann Monk BARTLETT daughter of Edward Bartlett and Mary Anne Burr Bartlett. Abode: New Bond Street. Occupation: Nursery and seedsman.
23/10/1822 Edward BARTLETT son of Edward Bartlett and Mary Anne Burr Bartlett. Abode: New Bond St. Occupation: Gardener and seedsman.
12/12/1824 Edward BARTLETT son of Edward Bartlett and Mary Anne Burr Bartlett. Abode; New Bond St. Occupation: Seedsman.
It looks as if the name of BURR could have been the maiden name of Edward's wife.
There is a baptism of Mary Anne BARTLETT in St Swithin, Walcot. This was on 16/12/1821 and she was the daughter of John and Sarah BARTLETT.
There were other couples with the name of BARTLETT baptising children in these years in both places.
Jo
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Hi Jo,
Thank you. Those baptistms definately fit. There seem to have been alot of Bartletts and Mary Ann's!
Can you please give me your source for the marriage and baptisms so I can put it with the records.
I now need to work out how to get english certificates and which will be the key ones! I am in New Zealand.
Regards
Gill
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Source for the Parish Register entries on Freereg.
http://free.org.uk/cgi
The coverage for Somerset is good and they are actively entering more every month.
Jo.
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1851 Census HO107/1941/272/23
Ann, daug, unm, 21, Dup? maker, born Bath
I'm curious - what is a dupmaker? I've seen it before on census records
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I think this is an abbreviation for Duplicate Maker. Someone who works in the clothing/cloth trade.
I believe that they had "dup maker" occuptaion in the paper mills but don't know what they did.
Any other suggestions?
Jo.