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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Down => Topic started by: *Sandra* on Friday 29 May 09 22:39 BST (UK)
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This is a very big ask but can anyone help to tie these pieces together.
Thomas CRONIN (the spelling tends to be awful on the English census - 1891 he was ORIMEN)
Thomas Cronin born 1845 to Francis Cronin. Thomas married Sarah Jane Atkinson in Whitehaven District. Cumberland in 1869. Thomas died in Egremont. Cumberland in 1898.
His father Francis died at Cleator Moor in 1870 - age 64 years so that makes his birth 1806 County Down.
Thomas had a sister Mary born 1843 - Catherine born 1849 & a brother Francis born 1854.
Francis & Mary both married and stayed in Cumberland. Catherine may have returned to Ireland.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Many Thanks.
Sandra
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Hi.
Just another snippet to add - on the marriage certificate of Thomas Cronin a witness is Patrick Cronin. This could well be another brother.
Thanks
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Hi,
I have found a marriage of a Patrick Cronin to Jane Frances Montgomery on 26 Apr 1868 in Newry Roman Catholic Church. Four children from the marriage were:-
28Jan 1870 Mary Agnes
4 Aug 1873 Anastasia Margaret
27 May 1875William Montgomery
8 Apr 1877 Patrick Vincent.
Regards
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Thank you very much. Could come in useful. The Cronin's were connected by marriage to the Crilly family of County Down and the name Anastasia was used in the Crilly family.
Many thanks.
Sandra
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Hello,
My ancestor, Patrick Flynn of County Down married Annie Cronin. They were both born abt 1800. Their son, John C. Flynn, emigrated to the States in 1855, settling in Louisville, KY. Several of his siblings came with him. I am trying to find exactly where, in County Down, Patrick and Annie Cronin Flynn lived. Perhaps "Annie" was Anastasia, and she was a Crilly by birth?? Thanks so much for any help you can offer me.
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Hello Sandra,not sure how old you original query is,but I'm new to the website and may have some imfo on the Cronin's in Cumbria which may be of help/interest.
Sincerely Aidan ..
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Don't forget these Cronin in County Down
Mrs. CRONIN, Newry of Drumalane; French instrustress at Newry Technical School in 1910
Ellen CRONNEEN, Down will probated 1835, executor was D. Sullivan of Downpatrick
Francis CRONIN, Kilmegan of Ballylough ; leased a house, office & small garden in 1863 from Samuel & Charles Murland
Miss Jane Rebecca CRONYN, Newry wife of George Garrett Blasck; mother of Agusta Mary b. 1867 & Ida Jane Isabel b. 1869 & Jessie b. 1870 & Maude Agatha b. 1874
Dr. Thomas CRONIN, Newry of Corry Square , Newry; a doctor in 1910
William CRONIN, Newry Town Clerk in Newry in 1910
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~rosdavies/SURNAMES/C/CrocCrot.htm#cron
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Hi this is my mums family. My grandad was Gerald and Sheila was my granny
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just in case its relevant, are you aware of a Cronin chart G462 available at http://www.bordersfhs.org.uk/BFHSFamilyTreeSearchForm.asp
Some dates gave rise to queries examples
1. Catherine Cronin birth/baptism 1846 father Francis Cronin Co Down
see https://www.ancestryireland.com/ credits or join etc compared to b 1849
with hindsight this seems best irish location clue on offer..You need the fullest detailed copy available
2. Catherine Cronin burial1890 Shankill civil parish Belfast see https://www.ancestryireland.com credits or join etc I checked one source only
https://dof.belfastcity.gov.uk/burialsearch/
1863 Griffiths valuation of Ireland three sources
1. https://www.failteromhat.com for quick index.
2. http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/ for detail and map ref ..
3. https://www.nidirect.gov.uk/information-and-services/search-archives-online/valuation-revision-books since 1863
Using 2. above
1863 Francis Cronin ho off small garden map ref 34A 10 shows part of Ballylough Road running from No 51 at the south end junction with the Ardbannon Road. this piece of the Ballylough Road contains Annsborough National School and a Fountain. The houses all face westerly towards the Annsborough Linen Factory with its own Gasometer. The post codes are Castlewellan, the civil parish is KIlmegan.
Using 3 above
looking up Valuation Revision Books online at PRONI , I encounted problems, anyway I worked backwards thus
PRONI Reference: VAL/12/B/18/9C (1888 - 1901)
map ref 34A 10 was rented by Hugh Parkinson and crossed out to a further Parkinson as I closed it I found
PRONI Reference: VAL/12/B/18/9B (1879 - 1887)
which does contain Ballylough
map ref 34A 10 was rented by Hugh McCann crossed out replaced with John McCann he is paying £5pa
PRONI Reference: VAL/12/B/18/9A (1866 - 1878) which does contain Ballylough
map ref 34A 10 was rented by Francis Cronin he is paying £2pa so no real occupation dates shown No mention of death or gone away. The landlord may not have bothered telling valuation office until new book started or etc He has vanished unless Murland estate has records
before that the tithes
http://www.irishgenealogyhub.com/down/tithe-applotment-books/kilmegan-parish.php don’t list any Cronin etc in Kilmegan there are 50 = other named entries for Ballylough townland
re kingskerswell marriage source
a Patrick Cronin m 26 Apr 1868 Newry RC Church. Jane Frances Montgomery I started seeking a Patrick Cronin living in Cumberlamd 1860-1870 and didn’t find one. I also didnt find a Francis Cronin living in Cumberland in 1860 census. I searched unsuccessfully in & around Newry for Francis Cronin eg
http://www.bagenalscastle.com/ancestry/search/details
http://www.rosdavies.com
so none the wiser if a connection will be found
there is a topic Crilley Ancestors-Cleator Moor on https://www.ancestry.co.uk/boards/thread.aspx?mv=flat&m=7&p=localities.britisles.england.cul.cumbria covers Thomas Crilly & Mary Cronin who came from Co Down
Finally PRONI has Murland items under ecatalogue which suggest Clarkhill cottiers are not popular and under social pressure from Earl Annesley heir
Ros Davies describes Clarkhill Clarkill Kilmegan . just N of Annesley Estate, the town of Castlewellan is in this townland ; 1718 acres; click here to see its location on a townland map; woods; residence of Mr James Murland, owner of Annesborough mills in 1836; major proprietor in 1863 was Earl Annesley V3 p 57 OSM; GV
Murland seems to be in charge of new roads one at least for his own factory and the railway is coming Murlands cottiers may be involved hence emigration if linen trade undergoes problems
I don’t think I can help further good luck onwards
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Hello Fiona,
I sent you a personal message on 30th October about your Cronin ancestors, but sadly so far no response from you... I am wondering whether you may not have received my message?
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Hi,im not totally sure how to work this website.
If you want to email me there i can ask my mum for any info she would have. I didnt know any of my Grandads family apart from his cousin. But my grandad was Gerald,he was town clerk in newry and his grandfather was a surgeon
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Fionamc you now have 2 post so should be able to receive the private message, please modify your post to remove your email as personal emails are not allowed on the open board.
New members must make at least 2 post before they can receive or send PMs
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Many thanks Fiona, I'll email you directly...
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Questions for Sandra as she is active currently.
The connecting of 4 or 5 Cronin born Ireland syblings to Cronin living in Cumberland, England, is based on a Crilly connection. (Mary Cronin m date ? location ?Thomas Crilly) . The youngest sibling Francis junior b 1854 ireland so unlikely to be in an England census before 1861 census. [ however the 1861 has an Joseph Cronin b Cumberland 1836 boarding in Bent st Liverpool Cronin the earliest mention for the family is the 1871 census.? The apparent father Francis Cronin b 1806 Co Down d 1870 Cleator civil parish. any obituary or further information ? is he cited after death on marriage certificates? You mention the family entry in 1891 census is under Orimen. I couldn’t find please full source
so I have built up a draft tree
1. Francis Cronin b~ 1806 Co Down d 1879 died at Cleator Moor in 1870 m Ireland Mrs Cronin who possibly d in Ireland
children in birth order except where 1.5 fits if atall
1.1. Mary Cronin b1843 ireland -4 m Thomas Crilly b 1846 ireland source Census 1871 address Jacktrees rd cleator
children in birth order except where 1.5 first if atall.
Francis Crilly b 1871 Cumberland [A Thomas crilly m Elizabeth Fearon in 1902 freebmds]
1.2. Thomas Cronin b 1845 d Egremont. Cumberland d1898.m1869 [2nd qter ]Sarah Jane Atkinson b whitehaven in Whitehaven District. Cumberland in 1869.
children
1.2.1 .Francis Cronin b 1877 Egremont 1881 census Egremont Drummond st
in the house is James duair b 1860 an iron ore miner perhaps Thomas’s sister Mary
1.3. Catherine Cronin b 1849 ireland stayed with sister mary in 1871 english census may have returned to Ireland WHY? or emmigrated
1.4. Francis Cronin b 1854 ireland
1.5 possible Patrick Cronin suggestion as he is a witness Any more BMD about him available about him ?
Are you able to explain 1901 census who were the Cronins living as children of Sarah Brocklebank High Hensingham Cumberland
Francis Cronin b 1877 son Egremont coal miner hewer
Sarah Cronin 1881 daughter domestic servant Egremont
Elizabeth Cronin daughter domestic servant b1883 Egremont
Catherine Cronin daughter b1889 Egremont
1911 census 4 Croft Terrace Egremont Cumberland
Francis Cronin b 1860 ireland miner at face
Mary Cronin b 1858 Scotland
children
Elizabeth b 1888 Egremont
James Cronin b 1892 Egremont Labourer Miner's Below Ground
Norah Cronin b 1897 Egremont
odds and ends
a Catherine CRONIN m 1913 Whitehaven Henry PARK familysearch.org
did anybody contact gardenboy’s offer re Cumbria Cronin he has only done this single message.
moving to irish records
the name Anastasia was used in the Crilly family in ireland. i don’t think the Cronin use is connected. as there were at least 1366 associated in 1901 never the less
Cronin Anastasia Clasharinka Ightermurragh Cork 9 F
Cronin Anastasia Margt Bridge Street Newry West Urban Down 27 F
are in those census linking Cork And Newry
the irish census 1901 and 1911 are freely available at http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie
notes edfly contribution Patrick Flynn of County Down married Annie Cronin. They were both born abt 1800. Their son, John C. Flynn, emigrated to the States in 1855,on Aurora ‘ going to friends’ . in 1860 census see familysearch.orgthe Louisville flynns are in Jefferson, Kentucky, United States Edfly which one is your family
John Flynn Census, 1860birth:1831Irelandresidence:1860Louisville City 8th Ward, with occupants Ann Flynn, Michael Flynn, Patrick Flynn
John G Flynn Census, 1860birth:1801Irelandresidence:1860Louisville City 3rd Ward, Jefferson, Kentucky, United Statesother:
Mary Flynn, Mary Noland, Wm J Noland, Jackson Noland, Eliza Noland, Emma Trautman…
John FlynnUnited States Census, 1860birth:1830Irelandresidence:1860Louisville City 8th Ward, Jefferson, Kentucky, United Statesother:
Johanna Flynn
John FlynnUnited States Census, 1860birth:1837Irelandresidence:1860Louisville City 6th Ward, Jefferson, Kentucky, United Statesother:
Mary Flynn
View the record detailsView the image
John FlynnUnited States Census, 1860birth:1834Irelandresidence:1860Louisville City 6th Ward, Jefferson, Kentucky, United Statesother:
Nicholas Sanol, Catherine Sanol, Mary Sanol, Margrett Sanol, Patrick Hearney, John…
John FlynnUnited States Census (Slave Schedule), 1860residence:1860Louisville, Jefferson, Kentucky, United StatesView the record detailsView the image
Johanna FlynnUnited States Census, 1860birth:1832Irelandresidence:1860Louisville City 8th Ward, Jefferson, Kentucky, United Statesother:
John Flynn
John FlinnUnited States Census, 1860birth:1820Irelandresidence:1860Louisville City 1st Ward, Jefferson, Kentucky, United Statesother:
Ann Flinn, Bartley Ryan, Mary Ryan, John Ryan, James Ryan, Ellen Ryan, Julia Ryan
Johannah FlynnUnited States Census, 1860birth:1840Irelandresidence:1860Louisville City 6th Ward, Jefferson, Kentucky, United States
Louisville City 6th Ward, Jefferson, Kentucky, United States
there are too man flynns and Cronin to connect without a bible or church record turning up. You should start your own topic I humbly suggest after some more American research.
end of part one
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turning to Irelands census
1901 22 in Bridge Street (Newry West Urban, Down)
Patrick and Mary Cronin family in 22 Bridge st move to 1 in Corry Square (Newry West Urban, Down) details added in to1911 census below
1901 &1911 1Census 1 in Dromalane Road (Newry West Urban, Down)
Cronin Patrick 47[b~1865][38in01] Male Head of Family Roman CatholicNewry Commercial Clerk Read and write - Married - 20 [m~1892] 3 3 Cronin Mary 47][38in01] Female Wife Roman Catholic Newry - Read and write – m 20 [m~1892] 3 3
children
1. Cronin Frances 19 [9in01] Female Daughter Roman Catholic Newry Typist Read& write Single-
2. Cronin Denis 16 [6in01]Male Son Roman Catholic Newry Builders Apprentice Read & write –
3. Cronin Richard 13 [3in01]Male Son Roman Catholic Newry Scholar Read and write -
1911 1 in Corry Square (Newry West Urban, Down)
*Cronin Patrick b~1843 80[1901 69] Male Head of Family Roman Catholic Charleville Co Cork -[1901 Accountant] 42[m~1870] 8 7
Cronin Jane Francis b~1852 nee *Frances Montgomery 60 Female Wife Roman Catholic Thomastown, Co. Kilkenny - Read and write - Married - 42 8 7
CHILDREN 1 missing living child
*1. Cronin Mary Agnes 41 b1871 1901 30] Female Daughter Roman Catholic Co Down, Newry - Read and write - Single - -
*2. Cronin Anastasia Margt 36[1901 27] Female Daughter Roman Catholic Co Down, Newry - Read and write - Single - --
*3. Cronin William m Wm M [ 1901 25] M 34 Male Son Roman Catholic Co Down, Newry Town Clerk of Newry [1901 Commercial Clerk Read and write Single see photo in 1914, http://www.bagenalscastle.com/documents/1914%20Directory.pdf
*4. Patrick Vincent 25 in 1901 son b Newry Commercial Clerk1901
5. Cronin Thomas 29 [1901 19] Male Son Roman Catholic Co Down, Newry Physician and Surgeon [medical student 1901]Read and write - Single - - -
6 . Cronin Agnes 24[1901 16 Co Armagh] Female Daughter Roman Catholic Co Down, Newry - Read and write - Single - -
7. missing living Cronin
SERVANTS etc
I have used an *to connect this family to kingskerswell contribution
1911 17 in Mill Street (Newry South, Down)
Maguire John 45 Male Head of Family R Catholic Scotland Labourer Genl Read - Married - 8
Maguire Ellen 42 Female Wife R Catholic Co Down - Neither - Married - 8 - -
have BOARDERS INC
Cronin Samuel 30 Male Boarder R Catholic Co Dublin Labourer Genl Neither
1911 11 in Catherine Street Upper (Newry West Urban, Down)
SISTERS OF MERCY
Cronin Lucy 29 Female - R Catholic Sr of Mercy PREV ADDRESS NEWRY CO DOWN
searching the Newry reporter produces much on William M Cronin, Newry’s Urban Town Clerck’s Work eg 1909 and a few on Gerald Cronin also town clerck eg 1968
see https://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk looks like Gerald was GERALD JOSEPH CRONIN 1914 father a [Dr] THOMAS Cronin. Down see www.ancestryireland.com so your family ancestry has an easy start see the census and you mention Sheila Did your Sheila Cronin teach music to actor Gerard Murphy see https://www.dailypost.co.uk/whats-on/find-things-to-do/actor-who-loves-teachers-brings-2757912
Patrick FLYN . Newry husband of Sarah ; father of John Joseph bpt. 27 Oct 1822 at a Newry Catholic Church PR
edfly contributionPatrick Flynn of County Down married Annie Cronin. They were both born abt 1800. Their son, John C. Flynn, emigrated to the States in 1855,
http://www.bagenalscastle.com/documents/1914%20Directory.pdf has photo of William M Cronin the town Clerck, pub 1914
a patrick CRONIN of queen st newry voted in 1868
so that leaves one website to be exhausted
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/en/