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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Flintshire => Wales => Flintshire Lookup Requests => Topic started by: kidsnana on Thursday 28 May 09 13:58 BST (UK)
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Hi ,
My gr.gr.grandmother Maria Ellis died on 19 February 1895.
She was living with her son George Ellis at Peny Mynydd
Dymerchion.I was wondering if there might be an obituary and are the papers kept at the record office.I am looking for mourners,specifically my grandmother Sarah Ann Davies.
Grasping at straws here i know,but worth a chance.
Thank you Joyce (kidsnana)
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Obituary's :) good Idea I'll have a look............ don't hold your breath you know how difficult Sarah Ann can be :(
Paul.
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Hi Paul,
So glad you think its a good idea,after 5 years i am grasping at straws.I really appreciate your help.
Greetings from sunny Florida.
Joyce
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Still think obituary's is a good Idea :) but I couldn't see any in the County Herald or the Flintshire Obsever end of Feb early March 1895 :(
I didn't have time to look at the Prestatyn or Rhyl Journals. I will next time.
Paul.
from sunny North Wales (for today at least) ;D
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Hello Joyce, I couldn't see anything in the Rhyl Journal or weekly news :(
Prestatyn journal didn't start till 1908/9 ::)
I can't remember :-\ have we tried chapel records in the area?
Paul.
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Hi Paul,
Thanks once again,why does'nt she want to be found.!!!!!Maria had a huge family so i really thought there might have been an obit. and Sarah might have been there.
I dont think we have tried chapels,what might we find.
Warmest wishes from sunny Florida to sunny Wales
Joyce
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Info from chapels can be a bit patchy but might be worth a look. I'm game if you are ; I'll have a look in the index's and see what's what.
It might take a bit longer as they're not on film.
Paul from a very sunny North Wales :)
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Anything to find her,i really appreciate all of your time and interest.
Enjoy the sunshine,Joyce
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Spoke to a lady today who has been searching local papers for years.
She told me they didn't do obituary's before 1900 ::)
The only nonconformist records I could see for the area around Sarah's birth.
Dyserth. Mynydd Seion Wesleyan. birth & baptisms. 1860 - 1955 :(
Meliden. Salem Wesleyan. b&b 1856 - 1971. :(
Rhuddlan. Wesleyan. b&b 1860 - 1900. :(
Plenty of Chapels but they are the only ones with records covering Sarah's b&b :(
Paul.
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Hi Paul,
What do you think,Would she have been baptized in a Chapel and married in a church.I hate taking up so much of your time,there are so many people with so many questions,and you seem to help them all.I bet you don't realize you make my heart flutter,everytime i see your name on my email my heart starts thumping,did he find her,then it opens and i am crushed,what an effect you have on me.LOL
Whatever you think is fine with me,it looks like i just might have to be happy with what i know,which is an awful lot compared to when i started this journey.
Warmest Regards Joyce
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Baner ac Amserau Cymru (Denbigh, Wales), Saturday, March 2, 1895;
I found a report of Maria`s death in this paper.
Maria Ellis Of Penymynnydd, Tremeirchion.
Unfortunately it`s in Welsh.
It only mentions Thomas Jones, Nantglyn, Tanygraig, Ishmael Jones, Hafoty Las, Nantglyn
She died the 19th Feb and was buried on the 23rd.
There`s nothing in later papers I can find, but thats not to say there isn`t an obituary somewhere.
Have sent a PM
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Hopefully this link with take you to the article.
It seems I can`t post an attachment on a Look Up section, well - we live and learn :)
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=385241.new
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Hello Joyce, nice find wilcoxon. It might be worth having a look at Thomas & Ishmael Jones it might throw something up :-\
Paul.
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Jones - you are kidding ::) ::) ::).
But I have got Maria back to 1841.
This definitely seems to be Maria, what a woman ! At least 10 children and it seems that she ran the farm practically on her own for many years. She never remarried which I thought was quite unusual.
Are these her husband and son? I wonder how George died, he seemed to be pretty fit fathering all those children, perhaps an accident?
George Ellis death registered 1849 Sept qtr St Asaph.
Is this George the youngest son?
George Ellis birth registered 1850 Sept qtr St Asaph.
1891 RG12; Piece: 4626; Folio 25; Page 2
Penymynydd Tremeirchion.
Maria Ellis widow head 80 farming b Nantglyn
Mary A “” dau S 33 b Flint Cwm
Sarah A Daviston ? gr dau S 16 Domestic servant b Tremeirchion
1881 RG11; Piece: 5527; Folio: 28; Page: 3;
Penymynydd
Maria Ellis widow head 69 farmer of 16 acres b Henllan Denbigh
Mary A Ellis dau unm 23 b Flints Cwm
Sarah A Davies gr dau 6 Flints Dymeirchion
1871 RG10; Piece: 5667; Folio: 33; Page: 10
Penymynydd Tremeirchon
Maria Ellis marr ? . head 59 farmer of 16 acres b Tyddyn Y Ciw , Henllan.
Mary A Ellis dau 13 at home b Tir Gwyn , Cwm.
1861 RG9; Piece: 4295; Folio: 18; Page: 17
Uch Glan Denbighshire.
Maria Ellis head 49 widow farming 6 acres b Nantglyn Denbs.
Thomas Ellis son unm 20 ag lab b Cwm Flints
George Ellis son 9 b Cwm
Mary A dau 3 b Cwm
1851 HO107; Piece: 2506; Folio: 57; Page: 25
Tir Gwyn Cwm .St Asaph All children b Cwm
Maria Ellis 39 wid farmer of 3 acres b Cwm
Margaret Ellis 13
Edward Ellis 11
Thomas Ellis 10
Maria Ellis 8
Robert Ellis 6
Martha Ellis 3
George Ellis 1
1841 HO107; Piece 1412; Folio: 7; Page: 8;
Tir Gwyn, Islwyn Cwm Flints
George Ellis 34
Maria Ellis 29
Joseph Ellis 9
David Ellis 7
Jane Ellis 5
Margaret Ellis 3
Edward Ellis 2
Thomas Ellis 6 mths
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A very kind member of the CFHS has translated the newspaper article for me, and it is very interesting indeed.
TREMEIRCHION
'He is buried at a very advanced age'. Tuesday, 19th February,
Mrs Maria Ellis, Pen y mynydd of this parish died at the fine old age of 84, having been a widow for 45 years.
The deceased was the ninth child of the late Mr Thomas Jones,
Tan y graig, Nantglyn.
Three are still alive, one brother and two sisters.
That brother is the staunch Liberal and well-known Disestablishmentarian, Mr Ishmael Jones, Hafoty Isa, Nantglyn, whom we are pleased to say has had an excellent recovery from the serious accident he had some time ago.
We Liberals of Tremeirchion wish him a long life.
Mrs Ellis' interment was held on Saturday the 23rd of this month in the parish churchyard officiated by the vicar.
I think this might be Ishmael
1901 RG13; Piece: 5230; Folio: 35; Page: 7.
Panlon, Nantglyn
Ishmael Jones 71 Widower farmer b Henllan.
1891 RG12; Piece: 4624; Folio 41; Page 8;
Foty Las , Llanrhaiadr in Kinmerch
Ishmael Jones head mar 61 farmer b Henllan.
1881 RG11; Piece: 5533; Folio: 24; Page: 7;
Pentre Isaf Groes.
Ishmael Jones head 51 farmer b Henllan
Anne wife 49 b Llanrhaidr
Isaac son 12 b Henllan
David son 10 b Henllan
1871 RG10; Piece: 5674; Folio: 24; Page: 6
Pentre Isaf Hennlan.
Ishmael Jones 41 farmer b Henllan
Anne Jones wfie 39 b Llanrhaidr
Jane Jones 14 all children b Henllan.
Henry Jones 12
Thomas Jones 8
Isaac Jones 2
David Jones 1 month
Elizabeth Jones boarder unm 32 dressmaker b LLanrhaidr
I can`t find hind him for certain in earlier years. ???
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Hi Wilcoxon,
Thank you so much for your reply.Yes Maria's maiden name was Jones,parentsThomas and Jane from Nantglyn.She was baptized Oct.27 1811.Yes so many children,thats why i hoped there might be an Obit.George was 42 when he died,i have the death cert and it doesn't say cause of death,it just says, decline not certified, and was witnessed by his brother Edward living in Whitford.Death was July 7 1849.I haven't even started on that side yet,if you come across any of them,please let me know.The mystery is, if you look at the dates, some of the children are born after his death.Sarah Ann Davies is the one i am after,she is my grandmother,but i don't know who her parents are.George the youngest son was still living at Pen y Mynydd on the 1901 census,a bachelor.Any help you can give me will be greatly appreciated,and thanks for your time.
Regards,Joyce
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Hi again Coxon,
I did reply,but it must be in cyberspace.Thank you so much for the translation,i am thrilled,but now so many more people to find,lol,but at least we have a famous one.I would love to find some living relatives,what do you think my chances are.maybe i could put an add. in the paper.
Regards Joyce
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Dear Joyce,
I am very excited to have found a relation.Maria Ellis was my great great grandmother. Isn't she amazing! I spent ages getting travel sickness looking through the microfiches in Hawarden Record office and found her marriage certificate and some of the childrens' birth records. I tried to find Tir Gwyn in Cwm, but it's gone. Pen y Mynedd is still there. I am descended from her sixth child, Thomas, who married an Elizabeth Jones. They had seven children, all with the same names as Maria's, John, Robert, Thomas, Maria, Joseph, Margaret and William. My grandfather was their fourth child, John Noel and my father, the second child, Arthur.
Maria"s last child was a daughter called Mary, born in 1858. Two of them born after George died. Baby George's birth record says he's illegitimate, but that's probably because the father was dead. Am so excited to discover the names of Maria's parents. I was only talking about her on BBC Radio Wales on Friday.
I'd be so pleased to hear back from you.
Sorry - it's late and am a bit incoherent with excitement at finding out more about this remarkable woman
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Hi,
I`m not related at all to Maria Ellis, but I know Joyce has a lot of interesting information, I have sent her an email but don`t know if the adress is still the same, hopefully she will pick up an your post anyway.
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Joyce will be on shortly, she has just returned from her vacation. She will be thrilled to have a connection to Maria.
regards
tisgrannie
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Hi Ann-Christine,
I did reply to your message last night,i dont know why it didn't post,probably because i was so excited to see your message,and of course tired from our journey home,so i probably pressed the wrong key.I have lots of information on our Maria,cant wait to share it with you.You have no idea how thrilled i am to hear from you.
Best Wishes Joyce
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Hi Wilcoxon,
Thank you for forwarding Ann-Christine to me,we have shared some information,so exciting.And as always thanks to all the kind people on Roots Chat that have helped me get this far.
Regards Kidsnana