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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Buckinghamshire => Topic started by: hscherry on Wednesday 27 May 09 23:06 BST (UK)
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Hi.
My gg grandfather Benjamin Turner was born in about 1831 in Mursley in Bucks. He married a Jane Rich in Soulbury on 18 Oct 1853 and he died in Mursley in 1881. I have a copy of his marriage certificate but unfortunately his father was dead when Benjamin got married so I have no details. I was just wondering if anyone knows anything about the family to help restart my investigations.
Thanks
Heidi
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Hi
Does his marriage cert not give his fathers name even if he was deceased
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Sadly not. It just says "Dead" and the same for his spouse's father.
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Hi
Somebody else is researching this person as there is a submitted IGI entry showing an incorrect marriage date
BENJAMIN TURNER Birth: 1830 Mursley, Buckingham Spouse: JANE Marriage: About 1867 Of, Mursley, Buckingham
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In 1851 he is indexed as Tenney and was working as an agricultural servant at Dean Farm in Stewkley
HO107 Piece: 1722 Folio 195 Page 53
I'm still checking the 1841 to see if I can find him with any family
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1841 for Simpson Bucks
William Rich 40 ag labourer
Rebecca 40
Benjamin 15
Jane 7
Ellenor 3
Sophia 8 Months
HO107 Piece 59/4 Folio 4 Page 3
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Submitted IGI entry
Jane Rich Christening: 09 OCT 1832 Simpson Bucks
Father: William Rich Mother: Rebecca Bates
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Excellent thank you.. This is really helping :)
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No luck at all finding Benjamin on the 1841. Mursley came under Winslow so I have even searched for all Benjamin's in Winslow
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OK thanks... Is it likely that the Benjamin with the Rich family was the same Benjamin?
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Hi
No - I checked the IGI and he was definitely William and Rebecca's son
Deaths June qtr 1843
Rebecca RICH Newport Pagnell 6 253
Deaths December qtr 1847
William Rich Newport Pagnell 6 267
Deaths Mar 1847
Sophia Rich Newport Pagnell 6 341
Newport Pagnell covered Simpson
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OK. Well if it's any help, the witnesses to the marriage were a Thomas Jarvis (not sure of the surname for sure) and an Isaac Corfratti (again not sure of the surname - the writing is really hard to decifer!)
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I'm just scanning in part of the certificate for you to see if you can read it any better....
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In 1851 Ellen Rich was in the Newport Pagnell Union Workhouse and Jane was working as a servant in Newton Longville and her surname is indexed as Kich
HO107 Piece 1723 Folio 19 Page 7
Now all we need is a breakthrough with Benjamin!!
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There is an Isaac Corkett b 1828 living in Ivinghoe on the 1851 census and a Thomas Jarvis b 1828 living in Newport Pagnell
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Here you go...
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That's Isaac Corkett. I have sent you a pm
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Hi ....
Have found this for you....
Mursley Parish Records.
Benjamin Turner s/o Elizabeth Turner bapt 5 July 1829.
A Elizabeth Turner is then buried in 1832 aged 42 years I wonder if that is his mother.
As no father given or maybe unknown it was easier to say dead when asked.
Tazzie
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Thank you Tazzie. Is there any info on his mother earlier than 1832?
Thanks for your help.
Heidi
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Hi Heidi....
I actually ran out of time today so I will be going back anyway.
I did lokk forward from Benjamin's bapt to see if Elizabeth had in fact married which would give us another name to look for them in 1841 but when I saw there was none in the village I looked through the burials from 1829 onwards.
Leave it with me and I will go back from there and see if anything fits for a father dying before Benjamin is born. However I have seen references made before in the PR's if a father is dead when child is baptised.
Tazzie
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Hi Tazzie,
Just wondering if you found any more information? And also if there was a date for the burial of Elizabeth Turner in 1832?
Thanks
Heidi
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Hi Heidi...
Sorry... I have not got back to this one I must appologise. I will get some bits sorted for checking and have a look for you probably Friday next week if ok . Again sorry ..... kick me sooner next time.
Tazzie
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Friendly kick coming your way ;)
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Ouch! ;D
Hi .... well I have joined the ranks of the employed so working hours are different. I need to pop into the city centre to grab some bits so looking at Fri/Mon will do then.
Tazzie
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Thanks hun :)
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Hello .......
Well been to the records in Milton Keynes..... nothing really stood out but noted some names.
The baptism record just says Benjamin son of Elizabeth. NOW ... it does not class Elizabeth as a singlewoman or Benjamin as illegitimate as some of the entries around the same date do. However in burials nothing or either Turner/ Turney or Turvey would fit as being a burial of her husband and I checked from 1820 onwards.
There are a James & Elizabeth Turner who baptise a Lucy in 1824
William & Elizabeth Turner who have Edward 1819-1837
Mary 1821
Caroline 1825
& also Thomas & Elizabeth Turvey who have Elizabeth bap 1826.
A William Turvey marries an Elizabeth Harding in 1826 but are both still around after 1832 when Elizabeth Turner is buried on July 30th of that year.
I wondered if Turner/ Turvey/ Turney are all related but only Turner name shows in 1798 in Posse Comittitus and Turvey are in Newton Longville so not far away.Still cannot see him in 1841 tho'
Tazzie
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I think this family are going to be an eternal mystery to me!!! ;D
Thanks for all your help :)