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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Yorkshire (West Riding) => Topic started by: kaydoubleu27 on Wednesday 27 May 09 12:21 BST (UK)
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Hi
I've got a problem that I hope someone can help with.
I couldn't find out who my gg grandmother, Sarah Ann Duckels, parents were so I sent for her marriage certificate (married William Laverack in 1844). It shows that her father was John Duckles, farmer and that she lived in Swinefleet where all the census records show her as being born.
I then found John Duckles who married Jemima Clark, who was a farmer in Swinefleet and I thought this must be her parents. BUT today I have recieved the baptism records for Swinefleet St Margarets and although all of John and Jemima's children were baptised at this chuch there is no mention of Sarah Ann however there is a MARY ANN baptised in 1825. However on the census of 1851 there is a Mary, daughter of John and Jemima who according to the census was born in 1831 but there's no baptism for a Mary around that time. On the 1851 census for Sarah Ann & WIlliam there is also a Thomas Duckels stated as brother, who was born in 1827 which would tie in with Sarah Ann being the daughter of John & Jemima. I have also checked the baptism records of Swinefleet St Mary Magdalene with no luck. All of John & Jemima's children were baptised at ST Margarets although both John & Jemima and Sarah Ann & William were married at St Mary Magdalene.
I'm beginning to question who's parents Sarah Ann's were and I can't find John, Jemima or their family on the 1841 census, or Sarah Ann if indeed she did belong to another family.
Also, on the marriage cert of Sarah Ann it states her age as being 'a minor' (she would have been 19 or 20 when she married), would that have been right?
This is driving me mad! Can anyone help please?
Thanks
Kim
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Hello Kim :)
Not sure whether this is going to help much :-\
1841
HO107. P. 1308/3 Fol. 7 Pg. 7
High Street, Whitgift, Swinefleet
DUCKELS
Jemima 35
Thomas 14
Eliza 13
John 12
Mary 10
William 7
Matilda 5
George 3
Richard 1
No John and no Sarah :-\
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I can see two John Duckels on the 1841 aged about 40 - both are in Snaith, Goole, with Duckels.
This is the only Sarah of an age that I can see:
1841
HO107. P. 1307/16 Fol 8 Pg. 8
Hook, Snaith, Hook
DUCKELS
Anthony 79 Publican
Anthony 42
Sarah 38
Sarah 15
Elizabeth 8
all born in county.
Of course, no relationships - so she may be daughter - neice - cousin :-\ :-\
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Hi Mum44 ;D
No, but all the other names are right, so maybe John was elsewhere on the night of the census.
My gut instinct is that they are my Sarah Ann's family but I just can't get my head round Mary being born (according to ALL the census that I found her on) in 1831 yet there isn't a baptism for Mary in 1831, only Mary Ann in 1825.
Thanks for that, really appreciate it as I never have found any of 'em on the 1841!
Kind regards
Kim
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Hi Mum44
Thanks again for this, I'm going to check that out. As you say it could be she is a niece or something. On her marriage cert it certainly says her father was John Duckels, farmer.
Watch this space.....!!
Kim
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Further to Mum44's first post - I've found a John Duckles of the right age on the 1841 (ofcourse there's no relationships so I don't know who's who) but this might expalin why John wasn't with Jemima on the 1841.
Snaith
Thomas Duckels 65 Farmer
Ann Duckels 60
Thomas Duckels 30
Matilda Duckels 25
John Duckels 40
Still no Sarah unless she is the one with Anthony Duckels, and still don't know if they are the right family - arghhh :-\
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Hi Kay :)
Saw him - one of the two at Snaith, Goole - which is where, in 1851, John says he was born, and I liked there being a Matilda there too :D Maybe he was visiting Mum, dad and siblings ;D
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Hi Mum
Yes, I thought that about Matilda - also Sarah Ann had a daughter named Matilda Duckels Laverack who was my g grandmother.
Think I'm going to try and get hold of the parish records for Snaith.
And I thought that researching an unusual name was going to be a bit easier!
Thanks for all your help.
Kim
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The burial records for Swinefleet has John Duckels buried in 1863 and Jemima in 1867 - both aged 65. Both records state the abode at death as been Breighton (near Bubwith). This may be a place to check for further traces of this family.
Col
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Hi Col
Thanks for the info, thats really helpful and I'll check it out.
Thanks again
Kim
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You may want to check the Howden records as IGI has 3 children born in Howden to John & Jemima - including John Clark Duckles on 2 Sep 1829
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Hi Col
Now this is where I think I'm getting the wrong family - from St Margarets, Swinefleet, I have got John (no mention of Clark) being baptised in 1822. According to the parish records John & Jemima had 11 children baptised there.
I'm very confused, I cant believe there would be 2 John & Jemima Duckels in the same area, at the same time, but there are certain discrepancies. Could the IGI be wrong?
By the way, is Breighton in the parish of Bubwith do you know?
Thanks for your help
Kim
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Yes Breighton is in the parish of Bubwith.
I think this is the same family, Jemima Duckels is such an unusual name, and it is not far from Swinefleet to parts of Howden parish - there was a ferry in operation from there across the river Ouse. It does look as if they had some connection to Bubwith at least.
Unfortunately, this does not help you find the parents of Sarah.
I therefore suggest you start with the only relative of hers that you have - her brother Thomas. From the 1851 census you will have his occupation. This should allow you to trace him on later census returns. Hopefully, he will still be at home living with some of his younger siblings (Miranda and Richard are not common names so they may be useful) - this may allow you to tie him into the family headed by Jemima on the 1841 census.
Its also worth tracing Sarah and her husband - occasionally other members of the family will be staying with them on census night. I would also trace all the children of John & Jemima - check the burial records at Howden to see if any of the Swinefleet children are buried there. Unfortunately, the parish records I have for Bubwith and Howden are too early for you.
Col
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Hi Col
Thanks very much for replying. As you say Jemima Duckels is an unusual name & like you I think it is probably the right family but there are discrepancies which I do have to sort out before I can be absolutely certain.
Thanks for the info regarding the location, and for your suggestions which I will work through. I think I've got to write down all the things I know are absolutely correct and then check off every bit of info I can find out and also like you say, find the burial records.
I really do appreciate the help you have given me.
Kind regards
Kim