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In 1881 Census 13 Milton Road, Wokingham
James Watts head age 35 Auctioneer and Estate Agent also Coal & Coke Merchant. Wokingham Berkshire
Julia Watts wife age 34 born 1847 Wokingham
Julia E Watts age 6 scholar at home Wokingham Berks
Florence J H Davies adopted daughter Scholar at home 10 born Ashburton Devon
Elizabeth J Mansfield F age 21 Gen Dom Servant Wokingham Berks
1891 Census 7 Broad Street
Watts James Married M age 48 1843 Auctioneers Valuer Surveyor Land & Building House agent & Secretary to The Wokingham Water Company
Watts Julia Wife married F age 44 1847 Wokingham
Watts Julia Edith daughter single f 16 1875 Wokingham
Watts Ralph H Son single M age 9 1882 Wokingham
Watts Hubert S Son Single M age 8 1883 Wokingham
Watts Harold Son Single M age 4 1887 Wokingham
Watts Florence J H Davies adopted daughter single F age 20 1871 Wellington Somerset
House Florence Servant single F age 13 General domestic Servant Arborfield Berkshire
Could anyone tell me who were the parents of Florence Julia Howe Davies born 1871 in Ashburton Devon? I have a strong believe that Florence was brought up by her cousin J Edith Hall nee Watts, either because her parents died or her mother married again. Florence's parents may be Agnes Sophia Davies nee Watts & Thomas Roberts Davies(of Newmarket Canada married Mar q 1855 in Wokingham). Agnes Sophia is listed on a headstone in the baptist church, Wokingham but doesnt give a date:
In loving memory of
James Watts who died May 4th 1863 aged 59
also near this spot
Maria Elizabeth wife of the above who died March 8th 1846aged 41
also of Agnes Sophia wife of T R Davies
................illegible
Can anyone spot the family on any census
Thanks regards Pauline.
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you want the family post-1855 marriage ?
assume you have Agnes Sophia with her parents in 1851 Wokingham ? (James & Christiana) ?
couldnt see a Birth Index entry for Florence ?
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Hi Pauline (and LKL :)),
Are you positive the middle name is Julia?
The one birth registration I can see is Florence Isabel H Davies, Jun quarter 1871 Tiverton.
This girl seems to be 1 month old in 1871, daughter of a Julia:
1871
RG10/2167 52 29
Collumpton, Devon
Gravel Walk
Lucinda Skinner, head, wid, 80, Tallow Chandlers wid, b. Devon Uffculme
Julia Davis, niece, mar, 35, Draper's wife, b. Devon Uffculme
Florence I Davis, grand niece, 1 mo, b. Collumpton
Mary Ann Blackmore, nurse, mar, 42, Nurse Carpenter's wife, b. Uffculme
:)
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Oops - there's another thread for her :P
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,383907.0.html
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duplicate
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Looks like you found the missing mum and dau' then Tats - but using another name .... Drapers wife, has to be her ? :D
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I hope so!
Maybe a second marriage, possibly this one?
Marriage Dec 1870 Newton Abbot 5b 286
Thomas Robert Davies - Julia Curwood
(The 1861 census shows a 25 year old Julia H Curwood born Uffculme)
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The IGI has this christening:
Julia Curwood
birth 5 March 1832, christening 25 July 1834
Uffculme, Devon
Parents Thomas Curwood and Hannah
Searching for a Thomas Curwood/Hannah marriage gives this:
Thomas Curwood - Hannah Howe
9 April 1828
Uffculme, Devon
and a Lucinda Howe marries a Robert Skinner in 1819, Uffculme
:)
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Hi
Can I just add that the 1871 census has Thomas Davis shown as a widower and then crossed out and married inserted
If the Julia Davis in 1871 is the correct one (which I'm sure she is) is it her "death" we should be looking for
I still say you should get a copy of Florence's birth cert as there are too many "maybe's" and not enough definites
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Hi Sophia Agnes's mothers name was Maria Elizabeth so it looks like she used her mothers name. Hmm, I wonder why? Thanks,, for the second marriage, I thought there must be one but just couldnt find it! Thanks again, most appreciated.
regards Trish
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Not only do we have the connection to Maria Elizabeth Watts nee Weeks, mother of Agnes Sophia but the name Howe - Florence Julia Howe Davies was born Ashburton in 1871, so her father wasnt around when she was born, gets more & more involved. Agnes Sophia must have been pregnant and the father married her in 1855, but left her more or less straight away and married again in 1870. I wonder if she was legally divorced?
Could anyone give me the 1871 Census for Thomas Davis widower (crossed out then altered to married).
Looking at this it looks as though they must have emigrated before 1855 as eldest daughter Maria Elizabeth Davies was born in Newmarket Canada. Hmmm gets more & more tied in knots!
regards Trish
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Trish - there doesn't seem to be a Florence Julia Howe Davies - we could only find a Florence Isabel.
The 1871 census has been transcribed twice already, once here and once on your other thread.
Do we have any evidence that Thomas Robert Davies wasn't a widower*?
(*when he remarried ca. 15 years later)
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On some paperwork she is named as Florence Isabel Howe Davies on another Florence Julia Howe Davies. Both born Ashburton 1871. So somewhere along the line someone has put the wrong name Julia.
I wonder if there was more children born to Agnes Sophia & Thomas between their marriage in 1855 and his second marriage in 1871.
regards Trish
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By deleting the comments on this thread that 'twas a duplicate of another one - and that at least 2 people had wasted time in duplicating results - the opportunity to alert the OP (Trish) of 'best-practice' in posting requests has been lost.
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Could anyone give me the 1871 Census for Thomas Davis widower (crossed out then altered to married).
I have already posted full details on your duplicate thread
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,383907.0.html
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Hi Trish,
I have read the 3 threads you have posted about this family with interest as I am researching the CURWOOD family name in the UK.
I don’t know how much more research you have done or if you have purchased any of the suggested certificates.
The possible events I have found for Thomas Robert DAVIES and Julia DAVIES (nee CURWOOD) after the 1871 Census are :-
1881 Census - RG11 Piece 964 Folio 68 Page 10
Registration District: Blean
Sub-Registration District: Whitstable
Census Address: 53 High Street, Whitstable, Kent.
Thomas R. DAVIES
Relation to Head of Family: Lodger
Condition as to marriage: Widower
Age: 51
Occupation: Agent Prudential Assurance
Where born: Milford Haven, Pembrokeshire, Wales
GRO Death Index:-
Julia DAVIES died aged 40, June quarter 1872, Hereford, 6a, 306.
Thomas Robert DAVIES died age 60, Sept quarter 1886, Blean, 2a, 476
My theory and logic :-
The age at death of Thomas Robert DAVIES corresponds to the age given on the 1871 census (age 45), but not quite to the age given on the 1881 census (age 51 – it may have been mis-enumerated for 56). However, the GRO Death Registration District of Blean corresponds to the 1881 Census Registration District.
If Thomas says he was a widower in the 1881 Census, then Julia DAVIES (nee CURWOOD) would have died between the 1871 and 1881 censuses.
If Julia CURWOOD was born on 5 March 1832, then she would have had her 40th birthday in March 1872, i.e. before the Apr-Jun 1872 registration quarter.
Further possibilities :-
Julia may have died in or soon after the birth of another child as there are :-
- one death of a DAVIES aged zero in March quarter 1872 (Joseph)
- two deaths of DAVIES’s aged zero in June quarter 1872 (Ann and Edward)
- one death of a DAVIES aged zero in Sept quarter 1872 (Albert).
all for the Hereford registration district.
I would certainly suggest you get the death certificates for Julia DAVIES and Thomas Robert DAVIES. Then, depending on the cause of death for Julia, the birth certificate for the possible child could be either :-
Mar 1872 DAVIES Anne Hereford 6a 525
Mar 1872 DAVIES Joseph Hereford 6a 542
Jun 1872 DAVIES Albert Hereford 6a 511
Jun 1872 DAVIES Edward Hereford 6a 500
Jun 1872 DAVIES Edward Hereford 6a 514
Please let me know what you think and if you get any of the certificates.
Regards,
Les.
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Hi thanks for the info, the reason why I am interested in Thomas Robert Davies is that he was firstly married to Sophia Agnes Watts my great x2 grandmothers sister. Thomas & Sophia's daughter Florence was brought up by James Watts who was Sophia's brother. It looks as though she didnt get on with her new step mother? Anyway thanks again
regards Trish
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Were you aware that Thomas had three daughters by his second wife Julia Curwood? Also did you know that Florence Julia Howe Davies spent some time in a institution?
If you dont have the info regarding Thomas's daughters I can send you that.
regards Trish
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Hi Trish,
We are doing detailed research on the CURWOOD family name and had planned to order the marriage certificate of Julia CURWOOD until I found this thread which gave the necessary details. We only know of the one daughter, Florence Julia (or Isabel) Howe DAVIES, that has been listed here.
Please can you provide details, name-date-place, of the other two daughters - it will be very much appreciated. Any futher information you have on the daughters of Julia DAVIES (nee CURWOOD) will also be gratefully received.
We have details of Julia's parents and 8 siblings if you are interested.
Regards, Les.
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Hi
1871 Census Collumpton Devon - Gravel Walk
Lucinda Skinner head widow 80 Tallow chandlers widow, born Uffculme Devon
Jula Davis niece 35 drapers wife born Devon Uffculme
Florence I Davis grand niece 1 month b Cullompton
Mary ann Blackmore nurse marr 42 Carpenters wife born Uffculme
1871 Ashburton West street
Thomas R Davies m 45 head widower married draper Pater Pembrokeshire (crossed out as in census)
Maria Elizabeth Davies 14 Dau Newmarket Canada
Rebecca Maria Davies 12 dau Newmarket Canada
Fanny Weeks Davies 10 dau Bradford Canada
annie Soneardon 20 Asst Draper
Sarah Cornish 20 Servant
Marriage Dec 1870 Newton abbot Thomas Roberts Davies to Julia Curwood
Julia Curwood born 5 March 1832 christened 25 July 1834 Uffculme
Parents Thomas Curwood and Hannah ?
Thomas Curwood married Hannah Howe 9 April 1828 Uffculme
Lucinda Howe m Robert Skinner 1819 Uffculme
If you do find out ever where Florence Julia Howe Davies was institutionlised I would be very grateful.
Hope this helps
regards Trish
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1881 Census 46 Strand Kenton Devon
Elizabeth W Quick f age 47 born Cruwys Morchard, Draper (my family)
Maria Elizabeth Davies Asst unm age 24 Canada Draper's assistant
1881 Census Lower Side high Street Chipping Norton Oxford
George Hood H M M 36 Ford Buckingham Draper (Master)
Jane Hood Wife M F 43 Lewes Sussex
Bertha C Hood Dau F 9 Hemel Hemstead
Ellen J Hood Dau F 8 Aylesbury Buckingham Scholar
William J Hood S M 6 Malling Kent
George C Hood Son M 2 C Norton Oxford
Vead G Hood F 2m C Norton Oxford
Harriet Porter Asst U F 31 Uxbridge
Francina Weeks Davis Asst U F 20 Toronto Canada Drapers Asst
Walter John Blackwell Asst U M 22 Longwich Buckinghamshire Drapers asst
Margerett Annie Calvert Governess U F 25 Petersfield Hants
Governess Teacher
Edith Isabell Kitchen Servant U Female 22 Chadlington Oxford Cook
Laura Jane Welsh Servant U F 17 Shipstone
under Whychwood Oxford
Thomas was first married to my 3xgrand aunt Agnes Sophia Watts, they had three daughters (somewhere I have there deaths will sort that out for you)
Thomas then married Julia Curwood and then had Florence.
Regards Trish
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Hi Trish,
Thanks for the info.
In your email of 11th Aug, you asked "Were you aware that Thomas had three daughters by his second wife Julia Curwood?"
Florence was the first, who are the other two?
Also, you list the census entry 1871 Ashburton West street:- "Rebecca Maria Davies 12 dau Newmarket Canada", she is enumerated as Rebecca Jane Davies".
Regards,
Les.
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Hi, this is very muddling, I wasnt thinking straight. Florence Isabel howe Davies was brought up by her step-cousin, which I find very strange, from the 1871 Census and for the rest of her life she lived with J Edith Hall nee Watts, who technically wasnt any relation. In my head I believed that Edith & Florence were cousins and that Florence had sisters. However the sisters turned out to be her step-sisters, who were all born in Canada. I have so many Rebecca's and Agnes' I get muddled.
regards Trish