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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Kirkcudbrightshire => Topic started by: badon on Tuesday 26 May 09 16:53 BST (UK)
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I am Ian Hamilton, and I am tracing roots back through my family which includes Hamilton,Grieve,Cairns, and Corrie. Cairns is OK, but Corrie ends up in Kelton with the census of 1871 of Helen Corrie and her son James Corrie aged 19 at that time living in St Andrews Street. My father was called James Corrie Hamilton - hence the Corrie name from his mother. My middle name is Badon, but I don't know why as it is unusually spelt.
Any Help??
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What was Helen,s name before she married?
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What was Helen,s name before she married?
Unfortunately, the Census of 1871 only gives the married name. However, it does list her age, as 56, and was born in Kirkpatrick, Kirkpatrickshire. The age of her son at the time of the census was 19, and listed as James Corrie.
Ian
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Hi Ian and Welcome to Rootschat :)
I see on the 1871 that Helen was b. Kirkpatrick (could be Kirkpatrick Fleming or Durham ) and James was b. Parton.
I'll see if I can find anything about them for you.
Gadget
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I think that I've found Helen's death cert - 2nd April 1892. Castle Douglas, Kelton Aged 79.
She was the widow of John Corrie, blacksmith. Her parents were - John McCartney, farmer and Sophia, maiden surname, Wilson. Both deceased.
Son James Corrie was the informant.
Gadget
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In 1851, before James's birth:
Knock Vennie, Parton
878 ED 3 Page 18
Corrie
John, 41, blacksmith, b. Parton
Helen, 37, b. Kirkpatrick Durham
John, 10
Agnes, 8
Nathaniel, 7
Sophia, 5
all children b. Parton
I have the Parton MIs and will see if I can find anything on John. I also have the Kirkparick Durham MIs and will check for the McCartneys
Gadget
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There is submitted entry on the IGI for the baptism of John Corrie, 18 Dec 1809, Parton.
Father - Nathaniel Corrie
This is confirmed in the OPRs on SP.
If Helen and John married in Parton, they might not show up as some of the 1820-30s entries are missing (my grt grt grandparents married there circa 1830 and the session clerk told me that the records had been lost).
Gadget
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Hel(l)en's bpt is recorded in Kirkpatrick Durham on 12 Dec 1813. Parents as stated on death cert - John McCartney and Sophia Wilson
The following children of John Corrie and Hellen McCartney are shown as baptised in Parton:
10 Sept 1839 Janet
1 Nov 1840 John
Not sure about the others listed on the 1851 - possibly missing registers or baptised elsewhere/none C of Scotland.
Gadget
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It looks very much as if John Corrie's mother was a Janet:
1841
Smithy Croft, Parton
878 Ed 3 P 6
Corrie
Nathaniel, 75, Blacksmith
Janet, 70
Miller
James, 13
Jane, 10
Grizel, 7
Nathaniel, 20, blacksmith
on the previous page (5) , same address:
Corrie
John, 30, blacksmith
Helen, 25
John, 7 months
David Haugh, 15, apprentice smith
All b. Kirkcudbrightshire .
Unfortunately, no relationships were given on the 1841 and ages 15 and over were rounded down to the nearest 5 year age grouping.
Gadget
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I'm starting to get very interested in your family now - my ancestors would have known them as they lived in the same parish and they probably shod my 3 x grtgrandfather's horses :)
Also, in a letter he wrote in the 1830s, my 3x mentioned a John Curry/Corry - he wasn't very good at spelling so it might possibly have been yours ;D
Gadget
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I've not found any direct MIs for the Corries in Parton but the Kirkpatrick Durham MIs have a whole lot of McCartneys, including this one of Hellen's parents and which might be relevant to your middle name:
John McCartney d 8 Sept 1860. Aged 73.
In Memory of wife Sophia Wilson, d. Kirklandhill 18 May 1843, aged 50...............
son James d. Castle Douglas 14 Dec 1872, aged 57 (his wife Susan Bodden d. Castle Douglas 28 March 1920, aged 72)
I'm still reading through the McCartney entries - there are many!
Gadget
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:D :D :D
Found Nathaniel Corrie in Kirkpatrick Durham. It will take me a while to transcribe. The Corrie's seem to have lived K Durham, Parton and other parishes - John Corrie and Helen McCartney are mentioned.
You're in luck!
Gadget
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This is one headstone in Kirkpatrick Durham graveyard. It's engraved back and front:
Nathaniel Corrie d. 12 April 1847, aged 82.
In Memory of children who died Glenlair:
John 31 May 1808, aged 16
Jean d. 31 Dec 1814, aged 11
Agnes d. 9 April 1811, aged 4
Nathaniel d. 3 July 1826, aged 25
Wife Jannet Clingan d. 31 Jan 1847, aged 77
Daughter Grisel d. 10 January 1850, aged 44
Also on the back:
In Memory of
John Corrie, d. 10 Nov 1857,aged 47
children:
Janet, Grace & Margaret who died in infancy
John d . 8 June 1860, aged 19
Nathan d. 17 Aug 1863, aged 19
Sophia d. 19 Aug 1866, aged 20
His wife Hellen McCartney d. 2. April 1892, aged 78
daughter Agnes d. KD, 12 Dec 1914, aged 73
son James Corrie b. 29 Jan 1852 - d. 28 Nov 1918.
Gadget
(anyone there or am I talking to myself ;D )
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Yes Gadget, I'm listening with amazement at what you have been able to do for Ian, and wishing with great envy that I was able to get comparable info on my Scottish ancestors. Well done!
Nick
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Hi Nick :)
what part of Scotland do your ancestors come from - added - just looked at your list!
I've still got some more - I hope this is what Ian wanted :-\
John McCartney and Sophia Wilson married Kirkpatrick Durham in April 1812. It looks as if Hellen might have been their first child. If they used the traditional naming conventions, then Sophia's mother might well have been a Hellen.
On the 1841 (Kirkland Hill, Kirkpatrick Durham), she is listed as being born Kirkcudbrightshire 1791-1796 but I've not found a bpt record for her so far.
Summary to date:
James Corrie's parents apppear to be John Corrie and Hellen McCartney
John Corrie's parents - Nathaniel Corrie and Jannet Clingan
Hellen McCartney's parents - John McCartney and Sophia Wilson
Gadget
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Given that he had a daughter, Grisel, this looks like it could be Nathaniel Corrie's baptism on SP:
15 June 1765, Irongray. Nathaniel Corrie. Parents - William Corrie and Grissel Milligan
Will see if I can find more about it to confirm
Gadget
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Ah - double Gris(s)el coming up, so hold on the parents of Nathaniel:
OPR baptism
20 Oct 1770 Crossmichael. Janet Clingen. Parents - John Clingen and Grissel Glover
Gadget
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Children showing in OPRs for Nathaniel and Janet:
18 Feb 1792 - John (K D)
3 March 1794 - James (KD)
3 Aug 1796 - Janet (KD)
12 June 1803 - Jean (Parton)
18 Dec 1809 - John (Parton)
not found - Agnes (circa 1807), Nathaniel (circa 1801) and Grisel (circa 1806)
There is another bpt for a Nathaniel:
17 Feb 1765, Kirkbean, Father James Corrie
Kirkbean is to the south east of the county, wheras Irongray is not too far from KD, so still not sure. His baptism might not be on record :-\
Gadget
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From his death record, John McCartney who died 1860, KD (see previous post) had parents - Peter McCartney, farmer and Ellen, maiden surname Paterson, both deceased.
So a new summary:
James Corrie's parents apppear to be John Corrie and Hellen McCartney
John Corrie's parents - Nathaniel Corrie and Jannet Clingan
Nathaniel Corrie - ?
Janet Clingan's parents - John Clinga(e)n and Grissel Glover
Hellen McCartney's parents - John McCartney and Sophia Wilson
John McCartney's parents - Peter McCartney and Ellen Paterson
Sophia Wilson - ?
Gadget
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Monumental inscription for Kirkpatrick Durham:
Patrick McCartney of Upper Macartney d. 5 June 1815, aged 80
In memory of his wife Grizel McGeorge, d. 28 May 1775, aged 25
his widow Helen Paterson, d. 17 May 1821.
Helen, mother of John, was obviously Peter/Patrick's second wife.
Note that Peter and Patrick were used interchangeably in Scotland
Also, Hel(l)en and El(l)en.
Gadget
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Hi Ian
Turning to your Hamiltons, from the info that you sent me:
Birth:
Elsie Agnes Corrie, Sept q, 1885, Stockton, vol 10a, Page 68.
if James b. 1852, Parton is her father, he died Dec q, 1918.
I'll check this out in Scotland & Northumberland/Durham.*
Gadget
*Checked - James Corrie , death Newcastle upon Tyne, Dec q, 1918, vol 10b page 122
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James Hamilton, spouse of Elsie Corrie, was b. Mauchline, Ayrshire circa 1882.
i'll report back :)
Gadget
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James Hamilton was b. 30 Nov 1881, Mauchline, Ayrshire. His parents were James Hamilton, railway clerk (as the marriage cert) and Catherine m.s Petticrew (?) . James and Catherine were married June 10 1881, Mauchline.
James, snr's parents were James Hamilton, general labourer, and Agnes m.s Steele
Catherine's parents were Robert Petticrew, boxmaker, and Jane m.s. Paton*
*Do you think that your Badon came from a misheard Paton
I think you might be able to follow this line back on the censuses and IGI/SP now :)
If you have problems - give a shout!
Gadget
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Summary~
James Hamilton m Elsie Agnes Corrie, Newcastle upon Tyne 1910
Elsie Agnes Corrie, b. Stockton on Tees ,1885.
Parents - James Corrie and Mary E Thompson (b. Shildon circa 1854 - from 1891 census, Stockton RG12/4049 F 72 P 2)
Marriage, Dec q, 1876 Stockton vol 10a Page 143
Mary Elizabeth Thompson and James Corrie on same page
James Corrie - ancestors as above posts
James Hamilton b. 1881 Machline, Ayrshire
Parents - James Hamilton and Catherine Petticrew
James Hamilton snr's parents - James Hamilton and Agnes Steele
Catherine Petticrew's parents - Robert Petticrew and Jane Paton
Gadget
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As requested, info on Mauchline, Ayrshire:
Parish map of Ayrshire - Mauchline is in the middle:
http://scotlandsfamily.com/parish-map-ayr.htm
Genuki:
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/sct/AYR/Mauchline/index.html
and here is James (who married Elsie) with his parents:
1891 Census
21 Bridge Street, Kilbarchan, Renfrewshire
568/2 ED 1 Page 22
Hamilton
James, 33, Railway agent, b. Muirkirk, Ayrshire
Catherine, 31, b. Tarbolton, Ayrshire
James, 9, b. Mauchline
Robert, 7, b. Mauchline
Andrew, 4, b. Mauchline
Gadget
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and the next generation back:
1871
Middle Wellwood, Muirkirk
607 ED 4 P 10
Hamilton
James, 37, farmer's son, b. Riccarton
Agnes, 34, b. Sorn
James, 11
Andrew, 9
John H, 7
Robert, 5
Mary P, 3
Agnes L, 1
All children b. Muirkirk
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I think that this is Catherine Petticrew in 1861:
Mauchline, Ayrshire
604 ED 6 Page 13
Pettigrew
Robert, 31, Boxchecker, b. Tarbolton
Jean, 29, Box varnisher, b. Mauchline
Catrine, 1, b. Mauchline
Gadget
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Greetings,
Been away for awhile and came across this post whilst catching up. All Clingan's mentioned are my lot. Can provide further info if required.
Ian Clingan