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Hello
I wonder if someone will be able to help me please?
I am trying to locate the graves of:
Ann Sutterby who died on 6 November 1886 at 54 Herbert Street, Blackley, Lancashire
Charles Sutterby who died on 21 April 1923 at 79 Herbert Street, Blackley, Lancashire
Elizabeth Alice Sutterby who died on 10 July 1927 at 79 Herbert Street, Blackley, Lancashire
I have contacted the Ops Cemeteries and they have no record so think that the Sutterby's may have been buried in a church yard. I don't know where else to look now
Many thanks for any help
Regards
Amanda
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Hi Amanda
Welcome to Rootschat :)
I have not been able to find Herbert Street on my 1922 map so not sure what churches to look for.
A starter would be http://www.stpeter-blackley.org.uk/ it is CofE also if they were Catholic it would be a sure fire bet they are in St Joseph cemetery, Moston
Regards
Ken
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Just checked the 1901 census for a better idea of Herbert St and I have found it, it has long since gone
Godfrey map 96.15 Blackley & Lower Crumpsall 1915.
If they are Catholic I would be 100% sure they are in St Josephs.
Should you find them let me know and I will go and get photo of headstone if still standing.
Regards
Ken
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Type Herbert Street moston
http://www.images.manchester.gov.uk/
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Hello Ken
Thanks very much for your replies.
As far as I am aware, none were RC's.
His son was married at Gill Street Chapel in 1907 which I think is Methodist
I am just really stuck. Is Moston Cemetery just for Roman Catholics?
Many thanks
Amanda
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Hi Amanda
Methodist, now that throws a different light on the problem. The only Methodist graveyard near to Moston was in Cheetham Hill, a couple of miles away.
Cheetham Hill Wesleyan Cemetery. The burial ground to the original Cheetham Hill Wesleyan Methodist Chapel. The burial ground was later extended and the site regarded as a cemetery rather than a chapel. It was used for burials 1815-1968 and we have records for that period available to see on microfilm.
The major issue with this site is it was all dug up a couple of years ago and a Tesco car park placed over it.
We have a few threads on rootschat about this very issue, use your search box on here to read them.
Please read this as well http://www.rootschat.com/links/06eh/
Regards
Ken
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Hi Ken
Thanks again for your information. Oh dear, that is very sad news that Tesco's have built on it, poor people that were buried there!
You mention that the burial records are on fiche, do you know where I can view them or buy them please?
Many thanks
Amanda
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Hi Amanda
The people that were buried in it were dug up and dropped into a big hole in another cemetery in Bury "think it was Bury".
The records can be seen at Manchester Library, local studies
Regards
Ken
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Hi Ken
Thanks again for your information. Oh dear, that is very sad news that Tesco's have built on it, poor people that were buried there!
You mention that the burial records are on fiche, do you know where I can view them or buy them please?
Many thanks
Amanda
Amanda,
Dont despair yet!
My family were from the same area, also methodists, and I struggled to find burial records, (one of the Cheetham hill Weslyan threads is mine I think)
HOWEVER after searching I actualy discovered my family buried in Phillips park, Blackley & Manchester General Cemeteries.
I just tried searching the Manchester online burials website which covers all the cemeteries run by Manchester city council - but it appears to be down as its not bringing up any results (I put a name in there I KNOW is on the database cos its one I found on there & it says no results so I am pretty sure its a problem with the site)
http://www.burialrecords.manchester.gov.uk/GenSearch.aspx
I would suggest emailing
ops.cemeteries@manchester.gov.uk
or tel : Telephone: 0161 227 3201
Let them know you have tried using the website & its not working and could they look to see if the names you are looking for are listed at any of their cemeteries - I would add that there is a 'gap' in the records for Blackley Crematorium so not all records are there (My paternal grandparents records arent there & I know they should be)
By the way - Yes, Gill St was also methodist, My Grandad was in the Band there.
Gaille
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Only one Sutterby burial on the burials website
10/09/1942 Percy Cecil Sutterby Southern Cemetery YChurch of England 1517
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Hi
Thanks for all your replies
Percy Cecil Sutterby is one of the sons of Charles and Ann Sutterby (nee Humphreys) I have got his burial record
Funily enough, the night before posting here I was reading about Cheetham Hill Weslyan Cemetery and thinking how awful that was for all the families involved, and now I may have family bured there.
I have emailed ops.cemeteries@manchester.gov.uk, cemeteries@salforddiocese.org with no records and also Manchester Archives and Local Studies who have checked St Peter, Blackley, for Ann Sutterby's burial without success.
Last year I went to the area and found some family in St Mary's Nuttal Road?? This was from a different line. I also went to a couple of very overgrown churchyards, one being up a small road with a few modern houses in a close. I will need to dig my records out, but could I find any Sutterby's........ No!
Well have have had a few problems like this and suddenly they have appeared after years of searching so my fingers are crossed. Some ended up at Christ Church Harpurhey and they lived at Herbert Street too.
Thanks again for all the help
Regards
Amanda
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Hi Amanda
You need to ask them to look at the burial register for the wesleyan graveyard in Cheetham Hill
They hold the fiche - well according to there website
Burial registers
Methodist churches rarely had their own burial ground, but there are a few examples of Methodist burial grounds in Manchester. The following are the more significant ones:•Cheetham Hill Wesleyan Cemetery. The burial ground to the original Cheetham Hill Wesleyan Methodist Chapel. The burial ground was later extended and the site regarded as a cemetery rather than a chapel. It was used for burials 1815-1968 and we have records for that period available to see on microfilm.
•Irwell Street Chapel, Salford. Used for burials 1829-1857 and we have burial registers for that period (M196/5).
•Great Bridgewater Street Chapel, Manchester. Used for burials 1800-1854 and records of the burials are on microfilm MFPR 225 or 277. The chapel and graveyard removed for construction of Central Station. Transcripts of monumental inscriptions made in 1895 are in the archive (accession 2003/10).
•Withington Wesleyan Methodist Chapel. A small burial ground also known as Old Moat Lane Burial Ground. There are a few monumental inscriptions 1835-1874 on microfilm MFPR 1975
St Marys is a nice little church with a few stones still standing, I presume you took a camera :)
Christ Church is just a large church in the middle of a grass field, all stones have been removed.
Good Hunting
Ken
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Lockzie
I have been looking through the Gale newspapers in the hope I might find an orbit for Ann Sutterby.Unfortunatly I didn’t find one because there were not many papers for the 1880s, there was 179 references for Sutterby from around 1802 different counties around England (Norfolk, Manchester, Hull) I know these probably have no connection but as they were there on the walk through I thought I would take them. In case anyone else is looking for any Sutterby’s
Hull newspaper (Hull England September 25th 1868
Deaths. Sutterby suddenly in Hull age 62
Nixon Sutterby Landlord of the black horse in Witham
Newcastle times Friday April 17th 1874
Deaths. Sarah Sutterby age 50 on the 12th Nunwick
Manchester Times Friday May 25th 1894
Deaths Fairweather.On the 19th at 9 Henrietta street old Trafford
Eleanor Sutterby wife of Robert H fairweather (no age given)
Liverpool Mercury Tuesday August 25th 1896
Marriage. Sutterby & Wilkinson August 22nd at St Marys church Liscard
Herbert sutterby to Emily eldest daughter of Thomas Wilkinson of Liscard. No Cards
Celia
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Hello Celia
Thank you ever so much for looking for The Sutterby's for me. Originally, the Sutterby's were from Norfolk, the Foulden / Diddlington areas, they moved to Westminster, then to Stafford, Lytham and Lancashire.
It is really frustrating not knowing where they ended up, only my Gran, who is 96 had the knowledge but can no longer remember :(
Anyway, thanks again and thankyou to Ken for your replies as well
Best wishes
Amanda
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Hi all,
Just to let you know than none of the Sutterby's were buried at Cheetham Hill Wesleyan Cemetery :( :'( :(
Very stuck now!
Can anyone think of anything else please
Regards
Amanda
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I notice this thread is from 09 but maybe i can help. Regards John
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Hi John,
Any help will be most welcome :) I still have not found out where they are buried
Kind regards
Amanda
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Ok try blackley cemetary as my mothers aunt molly (mary) sutterby was as far as i know laid to rest there maybe with the rest of the family my mothers mother my grand mother was annie rose beatrice hulme nee sutterby sister to 3 brothers all who lived at both 79 and later 54 herbert st hope this helps. Regards John
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Is your mum Marjorie?
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Hi
A long shot
Burial: 9 Nov 1886 St Cuthbert, Lytham, Lancashire, England
Ann Sutterby -
Age: 70 years
Abode: Lytham
Grave: 24/19
Buried by: R. Foulkes Off. Min.
Heather
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Are these the family?
Marriage: 28 Nov 1877 St Peter, Bolton, Lancashire, England
Charles Sutterby - 25, Draper, Bachelor, 2 Market St.
Elizabeth Alice Park - 25, Spinster, 2 Market St.
Groom's Father: Charles Sutterby, (deceased), Licensed Victualler
Bride's Father: Robert Park, (deceased), Iron Merchant
Witness: Henry Sutterby; Emily Sutterby
Married by Banns by: Christopher Myers, Curate
Baptism: 1 Dec 1878 St Luke, Halliwell, Lancashire, England
Charles Harold Sutterby - Son of Charles Sutterby & Elizabeth Alice
Abode: Park View, Halliwell
Occupation: Draper
Baptised by: J.H. Gibbon
Have you checked the Bolton area?
Heather
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I notice that Albert Victor Sutterby, their son died in Blackpool in 1958
Charles H Sutherby in Blackpool 1937 aged 58
Heather
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Thanks Heather for the info.......I remembered when I looked through my tree again that I had found Anne Humphreys (Sutterby) She never actually married but took the name Sutterby.
I am still unable to find the resting places for:
Charles Sutterby who died on 21 April 1923 at 79 Herbert Street, Blackley, Lancashire
Elizabeth Alice Sutterby (Park) who died on 10 July 1927 at 79 Herbert Street, Blackley, Lancashire
Thanks again
Amanda
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Yes Heather, they are mine
Most of the family went to Lytham / St Annes on sea, but still cant find these two!
Elizabeth Alice Park was part of the Park Iron foundry in Wigan, so I am wondering if they were buried with her side of the family ???
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Perhaps you could check St Cuthberts Lytham to see if they are buried in the family grave.
The records on lancs parish clerk only go up to 1900
Heather
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Hi Heather
I have done that, a lovely lady went there and took some photos of the grave of the Humphreys family of Anne Sutterby
Thanks for your help :)
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Yes my Mother is Alice Marjorie Kay nee Hulme and was born on the 11th May 1923. She was born above her Father's shop in Bute Street Moston.
I found some information regarding my family on pro 1891 British Census Blackley Lancashire England 5th/6th April. Search Sutterby for residential details, this shows my family as living at 54 Herbert Street, Moston. The Census lists Elizabeth Sutterby but not Anne, Charles Harold, eldest son aged 12 at the time of the Census could be the person who died in 1937 aged 58.
Percy had six girls and one boy and Albert had one girl called Edith- my Mother's cousin. The grave at St Cuthberts in Lytham may be Charles Sutterby Senior's Mother my Great Great Grandmother. We will look it up as St Cuthberts in Lytham is it is our local Church. My Grandmother was cremated and scattered in Lytham Crematorium, not sure of date.
Hope this information is of some help to you, I have told Mum (who has just had her 90th birthday) and we were wondering if you are some relation to us.
Regards
John and Lindsay
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Hiya John and Lindsay
Thanks so much for your message :)
Yes the grave is definitely Anne Humphreys born West Hatch, Somerset in 1816 and died at 54 Herbert Street in 1886.
She was the partner of Charles Sutterby born in Foulden, Norfolk in 1818 and died in Kentish Town, Middlesex in 1865. I have a copy of his will. Anne called herself "Sutterby" but they didn't marry....she is named in Charles will as Anne Humphreys.
The "very grand" Humphreys family gravestone reads:
Mary Jane, youngest daughter of the above named John & Eliza Moore died 3rd September 1936. Eliza Charlotte second daughter of the above named John & Eliza Moore died 29th October 1943 in her 91st year. Ann widow of Charles Sutterby and younger sister of Eliza Moore died 6th November 1886.
Grave 24/10. In the faith of Christ and in hope of the resurrection, John Moore of Lytham, eldest son of Joshua Moore of Leek, Westmoreland, died 10th October 1865. Eliza his widow, daughter of Thomas Humphreys of Hatch Beauchamp, Somerset, died 15th January 1893, Mary Charlotte, widow of Henry Charles Moorhouse and elder sister of Eliza Moore died 28th May 1894. Also to the memory of Ann Elizabeth aged 57 years eldest daughter of John & Eliza Moore and wife of Charles Alexander Bannerman of Southport who was interred October 5th 1909 in Southport Cemetery
I am going to send you a private message you my email address so we can swap more personal family information
We are related by the way............I am Edith's grand daughter
Best wishes
Amanda
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Hi Amanda
Well this is certainly a turn up all down to the power of the internet. Thanks for your e mail we will get in touch but for now today i went to St Cuthberts and spoke to David the guy who tends the grounds, i told him the tale and he showed me the burial records and there lo and behold in row 24 grave 19 Ann Sutterby but there was no stone so do i need to look at grave 10 instead? the book also gives the date as Nov 9th 1886 age 70 but i will double check on that. My mother talks in glowing terms about Edith and she was actually bridesmaid at Ediths wedding i dont know when that was but you may well know, was Ediths husband called Frank?
Best Regards John / Lindsay
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Hiya
Yes try 24/10. I have photos of the grave, I think the lady who took them for me said it was one of the biggest, it is a tall white cross.
I have just found one of the emails from the lady that sent me photos....it may help you locate the grave:
Hello Amanda
Well I've just got back from the library with, I hope, good news!
Ann is buried in Grave 24/19, and this is Grave Register detail:-
Ann Sutterby, 6/11/1886, Aged 70
Mary Jane Moore, 8/9/1936. aged 81
Eliza Charlotte Moore, 2/11/1943, aged 90.
This led me to the Memorial Inscription which is slightly curious...
Mary Jane, youngest daughter of the above named John & Eliza Moore died 3rd September 1936. Eliza Charlotte second daughter of the above named John & Eliza Moore died 29th October 1943 in her 91st year. Ann widow of Charles Sutterby and younger sister of Eliza Moore died 6th November 1886.
[since no one was 'above', I then looked for John & Eliza Moore in the Index, and found them apparently in an adjacent plot. So have transcribed that grave too.]
Grave 24/10.
In the faith of Christ and in hope of the resurrection, John Moore of Lytham, eldest son of Joshua Moore of Leek, Westmoreland, died 10th October 1865. Eliza his widow, daughter of Thomas Humphreys of Hatch Beauchamp, Somerset, died 15th January 1893, Mary Charlotte, widow of Henry Charles Moorhouse and elder sister of Eliza Moore died 28th May 1894. Also to the memory of Ann Elizabeth aged 57 years eldest daughter of John & Eliza Moore and wife of Charles Alexander Bannerman of Southport who was interred October 5th 1909 in Southport Cemetery.
The Moore’s owned the County (& Commercial)Hotel, until 1912
I have a photo of your mum as a bridesmaid at my Edith and Franks wedding. They married at St Pauls Parish Church, Monton on 27th February 1935
Best wishes
Amanda
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Me again......
I have just been looking at the photos. If you stand at the entrance doors to the church and look left, you wont be able to miss the big white cross :D
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So 24/19 is the correct spot, dave at the church has said he will identify the exact location of the grave, i am seeing him on saturday hopefully he will know by then. You have a photo of the wedding thats fantastic i will be seeing her on wednesday she will be thrilled. Are you in the moston / blackley area, Molly Sutterby used to live in a lovely cottage at 361 Moston Lane i used to stay with her there during the summer hols it is now a Peace garden next to the Simpson Memorial if you are around there its worth a look
Regards J / L
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Just a quickie according to my mother Charles Sutterby snr was a border at Kirkham Grammer School maybe there is something in their records.
J / L
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Hi Heather
I notice you are on site this morning and just wanted to thank you for your invaluable help with the research into the Sutterby's, this came as a complete suprise to us that Anne has been at St Cuthberts all this time almost under our very noses. It is clear that both Amanda and yourself have put a lot of time and effort into this and if we can contribute then that would be fantastic.
Best regards John / Lindsay
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Hi
Glad to be of help :)
Thank you for giving us an update.
Heather