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Hi guys,i wonder if anyone can help?
im searching for info on Robert Jones Whitworth,i have 2 certs,1 marriage & 1 birth(of william,Robert's son) says he was a school master living in Ashton under Lyne.
Cant find any records for him,so i thought i might try to find out if he is listed on any school records as being in their employment,but cant seem to find a list of old schools in ashton.
The first cert was in 1842 when he married his wife Ann Parker,in Middleton,the second in 1843 ,the birth of his son William,in ashton under lyne,any idea's most gratefully recieved,kind regards Lisaxxx
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Hi Lisa
I've had a look at the Tameside Local & Family History site & can't see anything specific for schools - they have some old directories (pre-dating your man) & all sorts of interesting things on there which may be of interest
http://tamesidefamilyhistory.co.uk/index.htm
There's a mention of a school attached to the parish church on this link which also mentions another congregational school
http://ashtongrammar.co.uk/history.htm
You could try a search for the 1850s on the Historical Directories site, both for your relative and for schools in the area
http://www.historicaldirectories.org/hd/index.asp
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Hello,
there is a death for Robert Jones Whitworth in 1868 aged 51 yrs.
There is an entry in 1861 for a Robert Whitworth, 43 yrs but wife is Mary. There is however a son, William aged 17 ys and other children.
If you need these details, I can give post them. I'll check with 1851.
heywood
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Have you seen the marriage for Robert Jones Whitworth in Ashton 1858- possible spouse Mary Hobson?
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I can't see anything in 1851 to fit.
To be fair there are a few Williams and Thomases (the next child in the 1861 census entry) born in Ashton so that entry may not be them.
However, there is that second marriage and death to investigate.
That is, if this is the kind of info you are after. I can't help with the Schools info sorry but mshrsh has given you some pointers there.
best wishes Lisa
heywood
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Heywood/Lisa
That second marriage is listed on CheshireBMD as at St Michael's, AUL to Mary Hobson / Greensmith. As you've got Hobson from the GRO index I'd assume that Greensmith is the maiden name & she is a widow of a Mr Hobson.
1851 is the year that there was water damage to the census of parts of Manchester & surrounding areas, including AUL. There is a website dealing with what has been "reconstructed" so far
http://www.1851-unfilmed.org.uk/
There is a listing on there for a Jones family at Bradgate Street AUL where there is a Robert & an Ann (2B 372/9), but no William.
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That's what I was wondering about re 1851.
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1853 marriage- Mary Greensmith and Charles Hobson possible spouses with a possible death 1856 of Charles.
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Thanks guys,i had the above record on my tree(Roberts marriage to mary) but deleted it.The problem being i too thought (for the last 6 months) that Roberts father was Samuel(name listed on a marriage record on Ancestry) but on buying marriage cert for Robert & Ann,it says Robert's father was John Jones Whitworth,you can imagine how devestated i was after all the time & effort id put in,so now im of the mind that he didnt marry Mary Hobson nee Greensmith,although he may well have re-married,though no idea who to!!!
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It is frustrating I know but as mshrmh says, Cheshire BMD has the marriage so it looks pretty certain!
It does look as though 1851 is missing which is a disappointment.
There is the marriage of Mary Greensmith to Charles Hobson which makes her Mary Hobson.
1851 has Mary Greensmith (although age is out for 1861 but she could have fibbed in 1861 ;)) born Rothwell Yorkshire and living Ashton and then 1861 has her born 'Road way' Yorkshire.
The evidence looks pretty strong and the marriage certificate and death certificate would, at least, eliminate them if not confirm them for your records.
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Yes the evidence looks good ,but the record on Ancestry says Roberts father was Samuel,i now know this not to be the case,his father was John,so i cant expain it,any idea's?
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Is that a Family Tree record?
If you have his marriage certificate where he has given that information it is more likely- although people have been known the invent names never mind just give the wrong one.
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No,it was his marriage record to Mary Hobson,states father Samuel,but as i said,on marriage to Ann,it says father John Jones Whitworth,i cant even find a Robert who is a school master,although its possible he changed jobs,thats why i thought id try & find him listed as working at a local school possibly
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Oh dear!!
Well you could try the death certificate for next of kin.
Was he married to Mary though as Robert Jones Whitworth because that would, I feel, confirm we have the right person.
There is a Robert with parents John and Hannah in 1841 living in Dukinfield (not born in county- which is Cheshire for Dukinfield at that time). He is not with them in 1851 in Dukinfield- now Lancashire. Siblings are born Hyde and parents Rochdale and Middleton. No sign of teachers though- occupations are mill related.
I have tried searching for Lancashire/Cheshire/Ashton/Hyde/Stockport/Dukinfield in 1851 - nothing :(
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Heywood,questiion?
on cert for Robert's sons marriage,it says,father cashier,if Robert was already dead,would it say cashier decesed?
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No not necessarily. I think if they were asked for father's name - they would just give it - no clarification. It happens quite a lot.
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just curious,are you related to Whitworth's
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I am but not yours :D When I got back to my Whitworths and Ashworths - too common around Heywood/Rochdale so gave up. ::)
If I were you though I would go for the death certificate to see what that showed re occupation and the informant - probably William though :-\