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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Northumberland => Topic started by: rvolpato169 on Tuesday 26 May 09 06:48 BST (UK)
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I am trying to trace the parents of my gr grandmother Mary Isabel Noble (b c1863) in Newcastle
Northumberland.
She married a John Crozier (b1861) Coxlodge, Newcastle sometime around 1884 and died in 1906.
I have searched England census data but cannot find anyone that fits the name, place or date , i.e. all three.
I have tried searching for marriage certs but they are too many John Croziers and no Mary Nobles from Newcastle in around 1883/4
She had eight children to John Crozier:
Margaret b 1885
Thomas b 1886
Hannah b 1887
William b 1889
Isabella b1892
Joseph b1893
Ellen b1898
Mary Elizabeth b 1900
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Found it ;D
I did not restrict search to Northumberland and went for all counties.
John CROZIER
June 1883
Gateshead
10a 1105
On same page Mary ISABELLA Noble
So they married in Durham reg. area Gateshead
There are 4 possible births for her 1862-1869 in Gateshead/Newcastle.
Trish
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I am impressed - that was quick :)
Thank you so much for that it certainly looks like the right one.
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You are very welcome ;D
I have found John/Mary and family 1901 census, but not much luck 1891 ::)
When you have marriage cert, just ask if you need any further help :)
Cheers,
Trish
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I have found John/Mary and family 1901 census, but not much luck 1891 ::)
John and Mary I. Crozier are at census ref. RG 12/ 4241/ 34/ 9, with children Margaret, Thomas, Hannah & William in 1891.
Jennifer
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Well done Jennifer :)
Trish
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Thank you both for your help :) I had found the Mary in the 1901 census but not the 1891 so thank you Jennifer.
I thank you Trish for you tip about looking at other people on the page - I never even thought of doing that and thinking it might also show the other partner - no I can go back and look at a number of marriages and possibly find the one I want.
Again thank you both
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As Trish has said your best bet now is to get the marriage certificate which will give you Mary's father's name and occupation. We can then pursue her in earlier censuses.
There is a possible Mary Isabella Noble of the right age born in Durham, but it is best left until you have the certificate.
Jennifer
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Spooky ;D ;D
I was about to post something similar Jennifer :)
There is someone on Ancestry who is descended from Ellen Crozier, maybe you have been in contact rvolpato?
Trish
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Hi Trish and Jennifer
Yes this is exactly what I have done I have ordered the marriage certificate - should get it early June and then I will go from there.
Yes I had noticed the Durham birth certificate but thought as you suggest best to wait until I get the marriage certificate. Still can't get my head around the fact that someone born in Gateshead would say they were born in Newcastle - two completely different places of course there is only a river separating them. Maybe in the 1800's things were not quite so clear cut.
I had noticed the person on ancestry and have sent them a message but they haven't responded - I am not sure they even know that Mary Isabella's maiden name is Noble as they have her listed in her married name Crozier so maybe they can't help anyway.
Again thank you both for you help it is really appreciated.
Ros :)
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Still can't get my head around the fact that someone born in Gateshead would say they were born in Newcastle - two completely different places of course there is only a river separating them. Maybe in the 1800's things were not quite so clear cut.
Don't forget that the census schedule was filled out by the head of the household, not by the individuals mentioned thereon. Her husband might have mistakenly thought she had been born in Newcastle. Or he might simply have guessed and never even asked.
I have people in my tree who are ascribed Northumberland and Durham as birthplaces in alternate censuses.
Let us know what the certificate has to say on the matter.
Jennifer
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Yes, get back to us when you receive the cert.
All the best,
Trish :)
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Hi Trish
I have tried to find the 1891 census data but no luck have typed in the reference you gave but it doesn't seem to make any difference ???- was there anything unusual about this entry like a misspelt surname or do you just have really special talents when it comes to this sort of thing - I have noticed that both you and Jennifer are referred to as aristocrats and I am tagged as an extra so I assume that means that you are both very experienced :)
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Hi Trish and Jennifer
I addressed my last message to the wrong person - it was you Jennifer who found the 1891 census - sorry for confusing you :-\
You have both been so helpful :)
cheers
Ros
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I have tried to find the 1891 census data but no luck have typed in the reference you gave but it doesn't seem to make any difference
Simply enter the reference into the 'census' panel at the bottom of 1891 search page as follows: piece 4241; folio 34; page 9. Don't put anyhing else at all into the search.
Doing this will show you everyone on that particular page, among them a (wrongly transcribed) 'Grozier' family.
Trish and I are (so-called) 'Aristocrats' simply on the basis of the number of postings we have made on Rootschat. ;)
Jennifer
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;D ;D Found it
Can see how it happened too - the 'I' of Mary is just below the name Crozier so it makes the C look like a G.
Thanks for that :)
Cheers
Ros