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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Renfrewshire => Topic started by: orkrad on Tuesday 26 May 09 04:00 BST (UK)
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Hi there
Does anyone know where the R.C Irish migrants to Port-Glasgow (1830-40) and Greenock came from? I have tried the local parish priest in Port-Glasgow but there doesn't appear to be any records for the period in question. I have been given various locations in Donegal and have already tried Moville and Inishowen, so far without much success. Any ideas would be helpful.
Orkrad
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Since you haven't had any luck with church records you should check all possible Scottish census records for any of the ones born in Ireland in case they gave a more exact place of birth than 'Ireland' although even with the name of a county you will have great difficult tracing them in Ireland at such an early date without an exact place (parish if not townland usually needed).
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Thanks. So far the censuses are not producing much helpful information. However I have tried using the triangulation process which is mentioned in the Donegal hand book and I think I may have found some potential info.
Regards Orkrad.
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Hi Okrad
I have had much of the same problem as yourself regarding RC Irish Immigrants coming to Port Glasgow. It's actually been my brick wall i've been up against for many years. And with names like Kelly & Devlin, it's been like a needle in a haystack lol. To this day I am still unsure, although Inishowen seems the most probable in my case, if you like you could post the family names and maybe myself or other rootschat members could offer more information in helping with your search.
Kind regards
Fiona
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My Irish family who migrated to Port Glasgow came from Antrim. Ballymoney area a generation before from just outside Londonderry/Derry. They moved prior to partition and because they had RC and protestant ancestors and believed in being part of UK. It was flax industry and/or shipbuilding that brought them over.
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Hi Fiona and Carrie-Boyd
Thanks for your replies. I had almost forgotten about this post as it is a few years since I first posted and so far have had no luck tracing my ancestors. Fiona my apologies for not replying earlier, but I did not receive notification of your post. I think we had some hard drive problems around the time of your reply.
The names I aam researching are Anthony TOLLAN/TOLLAND and Bridget GORMAN. They appear in the 1841 census for Port-Glasgow. Their place of origin is Ireland and occupation Canvas Hand Loom Weaver ( Anthony) and Flax Dresser for Bridget. Their youngest child is 2 yrs old and born in Ireland . This dates their arrival on or around 1839 if the census data is reliable. Anthony and Bridget are around 30 yrs old. There are various family stories about their origins and I have been told Inishowen and Moville at various times . They have proved a huge challenge for a very long time.
Any help would be welcome. Regards Orkrad
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May have news for you soon as my daughters friend at school is a Toland and family are definately Irish in origin so will ask her grandparents this week and fill you in with what they know.
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Thanks carrie-Boyd. Look forward to hearing your news.
Regards Orkrad
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Have you checked to see if they made any Poor Applications?
The information recorded in them should give their origins
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Looking at the 1851 census transcriptions for Greenock the following Families have locations recorded
Agnew- Co Down
Aikenson- Co Antrim
Alard-Enniscorthy
Crossan-Belfast
Arnol- Tyrone
Berth-Donegal
Bannigan-Sligo
Bayle-Donegal
Black- Antrim
Boyle-Donegal and Tyrone Londonderry and Strabane
Elsewhere in Scotland 1851 has Tolan recorded from Donegal, Antrim and Down
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re: where the Irish from : My gtgt grandparents Valentine Armstrong and wife Hannah nee Miller in the 1851 Glasgow Census lists their birthplaces as Seago Co Armagh (actually mistranscribed as Slago). Valentijne was on the 1841 Glasgow Census . and William Armstrong as place of birth Drumin Co Down think. Valentine's half sister Elizabeth Houston married William Duff in the 1860's . William Duff is listed as being born Port Glasgow. So being long winded the 1851 Census was a good source. I wish all the Censuses were more detailed.
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County Antrim, Ireland 1851 Census has Tolan/Tolen recorded
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1841/1851 Census Abstracts (Northern Ireland) has Tolan/Toland recorded in Tyrone
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Hi
I am assuming that my ancestors Foley came from Dublin area as one of their sons who was born in Greenock died in WW1, he was in the Royal Dublin Fusiliers, another relative, Canavan who was married in Hannahstown which is now in Northern Ireland, both Foley and Canavan were Roman Catholic, around the dates you have given 1840's it was one country. I have the same problem, I would live to know where my Mitchells and Foleys came from in Ireland ???
Kathy
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"I am assuming that my ancestors Foley came from Dublin area as one of their sons who was born in Greenock died in WW1, he was in the Royal Dublin Fusiliers"
Never assume- you didn't have to have a Dublin connection to be in this regiment.
"another relative, Canavan who was married in Hannahstown which is now in Northern Ireland"
Remember that marriages usually take place in the bride's church.
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Hi Aghadowey,
I think I put it wrong, I think that there is a connection with Dublin and not just because of the war, I have not put anything down in stone as I do not have concrete evidence, as for the Hannahstown connection, I have had no joy from the church as yet, I believe it is a very popular church, they have the singing priest so Im told, I just wanted to point out that catholics came from all over Ireland.
regards
Kathy
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The vast majority of the Irish who came to Scotland came from the Ulster counties, those from Dublin tended to head to England via Liverpool and Welsh ports
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Thanks Sancti. How do I go about accessing poor applications?
Also it is good to know that some of the immigrants from Ireland to Scotland had their origins recorded and that someone has gone to the trouble of categorising them.
Regards Orkrad
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Poor Records are held in the Mitchell Library in Glasgow.
More info here
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,522720.0.html
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Thank you Sancti. What a treasure trove! I live in New Zealand and cannot visit the Mitchell Library in person. Do you know if they undertake research on family history or if any of the Poor Law material is accessible online?
Orkrad
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Poor Records are not available online but they may carry out a search for a fee as you cannot visit yourself
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Thanks. I have just sent an email to the Mitchell in the hope they can do some research for me. Here's hoping !
Regards Orkrad