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Title: Private Albert Dale - Fromelles
Post by: chana on Monday 25 May 09 20:49 BST (UK)
Hi,
I was wondering if anyone could help with information on a relative who died at Fromelles in 1916.
His name was Albert Dale, he was born in 1895 in Rusper, Sussex and died 19/07/1916 in Fromelles, France.
He was in the 2nd/6th Battalion of the Royal Warwickshire Regiment. His army number was 6066.
I believe his name is on the Loos Memorial.

I was recently reading an article in my local paper that my grandfather spotted.  As we have the name Dale in our family tree, he asked me to do some searching as to the family of this man. It turned out Albert Dale was the brother of my great grandfather.

I have emailed the address that was in the newspaper/on the Fromelles website, and am hoping to hear back soon.

Thanks in advance,
Hannah

I am interested in finding out as much as possible about Albert Dale and his regiment.
Title: Re: Private Albert Dale - Fromelles
Post by: forester on Monday 25 May 09 21:01 BST (UK)
Hello Hannah,

This is his entry on CWGC, if you haven't already found it:

http://www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_details.aspx?casualty=730891

Soldiers Died in the Great War has the following information:

Albert DALE
Private 6066
2/6th Warwickshire Regiment
Enlisted Horsham
Killed in Action 19/07/16, France and Flanders
Formerly 3064 Royal Sussex Regiment

Phil

Title: Re: Private Albert Dale - Fromelles
Post by: chana on Monday 25 May 09 21:16 BST (UK)
Hi phil,

I had already found him on CWGC, but thank you for the other information.

Thanks again,
Hannah
Title: Re: Private Albert Dale - Fromelles
Post by: silvery on Monday 25 May 09 21:38 BST (UK)
1901 census    RG13/951/85/5   Registration district:  Horsham 


James Dale 50- carter on farm b Horsham
Emily Jane Dale    38 b Hampshire
Allen Dale    13 b Rusper
George Dale    9 b Rusper
Nellie Elizabeth Dale    7 b Rusper
Albert Dale    6 b Rusper
Maria Victoria Dale    3 b b Warnham
Francis Henry Dale    4 months b Warnham


Title: Re: Private Albert Dale - Fromelles
Post by: silvery on Monday 25 May 09 21:46 BST (UK)
Going back ten years

1891 census   RG12/829/54/17     registration district:  Horsham

James Dale     41 ag lab b Rusper
Emma Dale    28 b St Germain Cornwall
James Dale    7
Annie Dale    5
Allan Dale    3
Ernest Coombs    21
James Pratt    22

There's the same difference in age between James and his wife Emma as there was in 1901 with his wife Emily.  I wonder if it's the same person (Emma/Emily) or whether he's been married twice.
Title: Re: Private Albert Dale - Fromelles
Post by: silvery on Monday 25 May 09 21:49 BST (UK)
I'm inclined to believe it's a mistake in the 1901 with her name

Marriage from freebmd  http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl

Marriages Mar 1884 
DALE James - district  Horsham    vol 2b   page 443   
Endacott    Emma Jane - district  Horsham    2b   443

Title: Re: Private Albert Dale - Fromelles
Post by: silvery on Monday 25 May 09 21:55 BST (UK)
1911 census - Horsham

James Dale 60
Emma Dale 46 (1865)
Allen Dale 23 (1888)
Charlie Dale 22 (1889)
Albert Dale 16 (1895)
Maria Dale 13 (1898)
Henry Dale 10 (1901)
John Dale 5 (1906)      
Title: Re: Private Albert Dale - Fromelles
Post by: silvery on Monday 25 May 09 21:59 BST (UK)
Births
Jun quarter 1863 
Endacot  Emma Jane- district  Falmouth    vol 5c page 223
Title: Re: Private Albert Dale - Fromelles
Post by: silvery on Monday 25 May 09 22:06 BST (UK)
This looks like her

1871 census   RG10/2077/59/49
Registration district :  Newton Abbott, Devon

Edward Endacot 45 butcher b Bovey Tracey
Ann Endacott    37 b Old Clern, Somerset
Walter Endacott    13 b Milverton, Somerset
William Endacott    11 b Milverton, Somerset
Emma Endacott    10 b Collington Cornwall
Harry Endacott    8  b Lostwithel, Cornwall
Title: Re: Private Albert Dale - Fromelles
Post by: chana on Monday 25 May 09 22:29 BST (UK)
Hi silvery,

Thank you for the information on his family. I probably should have mentioned in my first post that I've spent this weekend going through the census' trying to track down his family, thus how I came about finding he is a relative.  Francis Henry being my great grandfather, one of Albert's younger brothers.  Although on searching the 1911 census I found that he was one of twelve children, but only nine were living as of that year, but they had all been born alive. So i'm in the process of searching for the three 'missing' children.

I wasn't certain about Emma/Emily's maiden name, but it seems it probably is most likely Endacot.  As for her first name, I think maybe there was a mistake in the transcripting.

Any ideas on where to search for the 'missing' children would be of great help, if possible.

Thank you again,
Hannah
Title: Re: Private Albert Dale - Fromelles
Post by: chana on Tuesday 02 June 09 14:54 BST (UK)
Ok, so the information I currently have on Albert Dale...
I now know who his parents are, the majority of his siblings and which regiment he initially signed up to.

I'm currently trying to find out which battalion of the Royal Sussex Regiment he belonged to.
Would anyone know how I could go about finding this information, please?

Thanks.
Title: Re: Private Albert Dale - Fromelles
Post by: Wendi on Saturday 06 June 09 12:46 BST (UK)
Hi chana !

He was in the 2/6th Battalion of the Royal Warwickshire Regiment.

His sister on behalf of her mother applied for his medals (the Victory and British Medals) on 23rd August 1920 and they were sent to her at 8, Market Square, Horsham, Sussex on the 27th.

Wendi  :)
Title: Re: Private Albert Dale - Fromelles
Post by: Wendi on Saturday 06 June 09 12:52 BST (UK)
of the Royal Sussex Regiment he belonged to.
  he transfered to the Warwickshire prior to going overseas, so there maybe no record  :-\

Wendi  :)
Title: Re: Private Albert Dale - Fromelles
Post by: chana on Saturday 06 June 09 14:23 BST (UK)
Hi Wendi,

Thank you for the information :)
May I ask how you came about this information, on his medals?

Thanks again,
Hannah
Title: Re: Private Albert Dale - Fromelles
Post by: Wendi on Sunday 07 June 09 10:02 BST (UK)
It's on his Medal Index Card. 

If you PM me your email addy I'll copy it to you.

Wendi  :)
Title: Re: Private Albert Dale - Fromelles
Post by: chana on Monday 08 June 09 23:31 BST (UK)
Hi Wendi,

Thank you very much for the medal record.

Thanks again,
Hannah
Title: Re: Private Albert Dale - Fromelles
Post by: colindale1963 on Friday 01 July 16 02:00 BST (UK)
Hannah:  You posted this message a long time ago... just seem it now. It would appear that we are (distant) cousins... please do get in touch if you pick this message up.

Kind regards - Colin
Title: Re: Private Albert Dale - Fromelles
Post by: chana on Friday 01 July 16 11:48 BST (UK)
Hannah:  You posted this message a long time ago... just seem it now. It would appear that we are (distant) cousins... please do get in touch if you pick this message up.

Kind regards - Colin

Hi Colin

I've been trying to contact you for many years about Albert. I found your email address on another website, but it always bounced back. It's great to finally hear from you.

Regards,
Hannah
Title: Re: Private Albert Dale - Fromelles
Post by: colindale1963 on Friday 01 July 16 20:26 BST (UK)
That was quick - I am amazed! I don't know how to contact you directly but I am easy to find... split my name with 'underscore' and the domain is hotmail dotcom. Be great to hear from you!

Colin x