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Old Photographs, Recognition, Handwriting Deciphering => Free Photo Restoration & Date Old Photographs => Topic started by: davidwells on Monday 25 May 09 15:35 BST (UK)

Title: Old Photograph
Post by: davidwells on Monday 25 May 09 15:35 BST (UK)
Can anyone help with the dating of these two family photos, with of course nothing writen on the back!!

The lady on her own has printed on the bottom 'Alfred Rogers in Mount Pleasent House, Backup, Yorkshire.'

The other family has nothing on it!!
Title: Re: Old Photograph
Post by: Kevinshouse on Monday 25 May 09 20:36 BST (UK)
Are these two ladies the same person, they look very similar especially around the mouth maybe they are mother and daughter! What does anyone else think.
It must be wonderful to have such lovely photos of family I have very few.
Kind regards Susan
Title: Re: Old Photograph
Post by: Kevinshouse on Monday 25 May 09 20:38 BST (UK)
Forgot to add what lovely looking children they are.
Title: Re: Old Photograph
Post by: chewboy on Monday 25 May 09 22:28 BST (UK)
Father's genes has produced some delicious looking children ;D

Mother is quite plain by comparison!!

I think they are probably mother and daughter and the photo of the old woman taken some years previously.

Jim'll know ;D

Mark :)

Title: Re: Old Photograph
Post by: Rabbit B on Monday 25 May 09 22:59 BST (UK)
Hi davidwells,

Welcome to Rootschat, what lovely pictures these are! 
I was struck by the likeness of the girl in the 2nd picture to her father [rh side], those eyebrows are unmistakable as are the eyes!

Where are Jim and China when you need them  ???

Rabbit B  ;D

 
Title: Re: Old Photograph
Post by: millymcb on Monday 25 May 09 23:38 BST (UK)
Hi David- welcome to Rootschat.. ;D ;D ;D ;D

Alfred Roberts appears to be a busy local photographer so probably is not going to help with the identity of the people unfortunately.  There are a few of his more interesting photos at the National Archive in Kew where he registered some photos for copyright.... see here...


http://www.rootschat.com/links/06eb/


The registration dates range from 1884-1894 so perhaps this gives a clue as to the rough date for the picture of the old lady.... ?

Milly ;D ;D
Title: Re: Old Photograph
Post by: jim1 on Monday 25 May 09 23:43 BST (UK)
Hello David & welcome to RC
For dating purposes it's advised to show all of the card plus back as these
often have additional clues.The 2nd. is the easier to date as all the styles
reflect a date of around 1905-08.A lovely picture.
As an older woman the 1st. is harder to date as they tended not to follow fashion,
however from what little I can see of the card stock I would suggest 1890's but would
prefer to see all of it.

jim
Title: Re: Old Photograph
Post by: Rabbit B on Monday 25 May 09 23:55 BST (UK)
Hello David & welcome to RC
For dating purposes it's advised to show all of the card plus back as these
often have additional clues.The 2nd. is the easier to date as all the styles
reflect a date of around 1905-08.A lovely picture.
As an older woman the 1st. is harder to date as they tended not to follow fashion,
however from what little I can see of the card stock I would suggest 1890's but would
prefer to see all of it.

jim

Hi Jim,

I knew that you would have the answer, glad to see you have arrived, I wasn't sure about this you see!
I would rather leave it to you as the expert!.

So sorry millymcb,

I did not mean to ignore you, I haven't had time to look at your site yet!

Rabbit B  ;D



Title: Re: Old Photograph
Post by: millymcb on Tuesday 26 May 09 01:05 BST (UK)
Hi Rabbit ;D


Title: Re: Old Photograph
Post by: davidwells on Tuesday 26 May 09 09:35 BST (UK)
Thanks everbody you have been a great help with the dating. I have attached the old woman pic again Jim, as you asked in it's entirety, the back is just plain black like the border on the front. It's a thick card about 1mm thick. This seems to be a great site for family history, glad we have found it.
Title: Re: Old Photograph
Post by: Rabbit B on Tuesday 26 May 09 10:48 BST (UK)
Hi Rabbit ;D


Morning Milly,

I had a look at your site which was of course the National Archives. Brilliant place have you been there? 

We had a day there with a friend not long ago and got all sorts of information. Really enjoyable day it was

Rabbit B  ;D
Title: Re: Old Photograph
Post by: jim1 on Tuesday 26 May 09 11:49 BST (UK)
OK.The lady is dressed in an 1880's style but the mount is 1890's.
The quality of the print I would expect to be clearer than this for 1890's,
there is blurring of the backdrop and the general appearance is quite poor.
This could be an 1890's reprint of an 1880's photo.

jim
Title: Re: Old Photograph
Post by: millymcb on Tuesday 26 May 09 14:45 BST (UK)
Hi Rabbit - I have the good fortune to be only about half an hour drive from the National Archive so have been quite often.  A fabulous place and well worth visiting ;D ;D

Milly

Title: Re: Old Photograph
Post by: davidwells on Tuesday 26 May 09 15:33 BST (UK)
Thanks Jim all we have to do now is find who she was!!!!
Title: Re: Old Photograph
Post by: Rabbit B on Tuesday 26 May 09 17:32 BST (UK)
Hi Rabbit - I have the good fortune to be only about half an hour drive from the National Archive so have been quite often.  A fabulous place and well worth visiting ;D ;D

Milly


Wow Milly,

That is so lucky, I so want to go again, but I hate the M4 and it is a real trek from where I am!

But we will be going again fairly soon I hope  ;)

Rabbit B  ;D
Title: Re: Old Photograph
Post by: Gillg on Wednesday 27 May 09 20:23 BST (UK)
Bacup is in Lancashire, by the way, not Yorkshire, though it's not all that far from the Yorkshire border, I must admit.  Does this help with identifying the lady at all?

There is a mention of Alfred Rogers, also Mount Pleasant Wesleyan School on the National Archives site
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/A2A/records.aspx?cat=124-1534&cid=-1&Gsm=2008-06-18#-1

If you Google CEMSEARCH-uk, you will find that there is a transcription of the burials in the Mount Pleasant Wesleyan Methodist Churchyard.  Maybe you will find a familar name there.