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Hi,
I was wondering if anyone has access to Parish records for Saint Mary's, Lewisham, Kent and be able to do a look up for me please? I'm looking for details of a marriage Martin LANGSTON to a Jane STEEL in 1817.
Am trying to find out parents of Martin and Jane and where they were born if possible? They were my gr-grandmother's parents and any information would be gladly appreciated.
Deb :)
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Hi
Fathers names were not shown on marriage entries prior to 1.7.1837 - mothers names are never shown
Marriage entries do not show actual birthplaces - possibly just "OTP" which means of this parish. This can often just mean that he satisfied the residential conditions for marriage - not necessarily that he was born there
I found this extracted record on the IGI - is it one of their children?
MARTIN BOLTON LANGSTON Christening: 27 DEC 1818 Saint Mary Magdalene, Bermondsey
Father: MARTIN BOLTON LANGSTON Mother: JANE
Did they move to Gloucester as there are several IGI entries for those parents
FREDRICK BOLTON LANGSTON Christening: 18 MAR 1829 Chipping Campden, Gloucester
Father: MARTIN BOLTON LANGSTON Mother: JANE
ALFRED BOLTON LANGSTON Christening: 25 MAR 1831 Chipping Campden Father: MARTIN LANGSTON Mother: JANE
CHARLES BOLTON LANGSTON Christening: 26 MAY 1833 Chipping Campden Father: MARTIN BOLTON LANGSTON Mother: JANE
There were a number of others as well
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Deaths
Martin Bolton Langston December qtr 1837 Shipston On Stour
Volume: 11 Page: 275
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Hi Carole,
Thanks for the replies. Yes, I had a look on the IGI and that's where I found this marriage and some of their children.
I'm not a hundred percent sure about where Martin Langston Snr was born but I'm pretty sure that he was from Chipping Campden, Gloucester and that's why I was a bit puzzled as to his marriage in Kent. Then him and Jane moving back to Chipping Campden where all their children were born or christened.
Maybe if I can get a lead as to where Jane was originally from might help me understand this puzzle. Is there anywhere I can search to find Jane's parents apart from the IGI?
Thanks again for your help.
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Hi
Unfortunately not. It's possible she was from Kent and that is why they married there but it looks like Jane also died pre-1841 as 4 of the children are with Charles & Sarah Taylor
1841 for Chipping Camden. All b in county except Sarah
Charles Taylor 69 agric labourer
Sarah 67 - not b in Gloucs
Clara Langstone 20
Sarah Langstone 15
Charles Langstone 7
Leah Langstone 16
HO107 Piece 360/25 Folio not shown Page 2
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Hi All,
I was curious as to the connection between the Taylors and the Langstons given that the orphaned children are living with Charles and Sarah 1841.
Found this;
Marriage; Sarah LANGSTON
Charles TAYLOR
25 December 1812
Chipping Camden, Gloucester
The marriage is submitted and there are several of them , but seems interesting ;)
So was Sarah Taylor Martins Mother remarried?
Also there are lots of Jane Steel baptisms on IGI so hard to figure out :o
Trish
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Hi
So was Sarah Taylor Martins Mother remarried?
Presume you mean Martin snr - not Martin jnr
Martin snr was born somewhere around 1795 or earlier as he married in 1817
Sarah Taylor nee Langston was born around 1774 so yes - it is possible she was his mother (I wonder was she nee Bolton)
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Yes, sorry CaroleW.
I really didn't explain myself well ::)
Trish :)
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Hi there. Martin Bolton Langston and Jane Steele were also my great great great grandparents. Their daughter Leah Langston born Chipping Campden 1825 married George James Howman in 1847. At times they refer to themselves under the surname James as George Howman's mother Sarah married Benjamin James in 1827 the year after George's birth. But he lists Benjamin James as his father on his marriage certificate.
Martin Langston was born 1795 to Sarah Langston who then married and became a Taylor a few years later. There are references to Langstons in the area back to around 1450. They were landowners according to the county history but seem to have declined. I have found reference that Martin and Jane Langston and the whole family spent some time in the workhouse in the 1830s due to bankruptcy. Martin and Jane both died just before registration of deaths began. there is a death certificate for their son Martin. Their daughter Clara Langston born 1820 emigrated to Australia in 1852 and died 1881. She married a James Stuart her descendant Ted Russell
has sent me copies of letters between 1852 and 1870 from her brother Alfred Bolton Langston to Clara in Australia which they have handed down. They offer a fascinating insight into the family. Alfred was born 1830. There were also some letters from Charles born 1833 who joined the Royal Artillery
Their daughter Emma Howman born 1851 emigrated to America in 1870, married my great grandfather John O'Malley in 1872 in Providence Rhode Island and moved back to John O'Malley's family home in Cupar Fife Scotland in 1875 upon the death of his father Martin. Their youngest child ( of ten) Clara born 1893 ( died 1987) in Provost Wynd Cupar married my grandfather Frederick Wood in Cupar in 1914. My father Frederick was born 1915. We are all from Cupar. Emma died three months after Clara's birth in Provost Wynd. They ran a travellers hostel there for 50 years. The O'Malleys came over from Co Mayo Ireland in 1848 and settled in Cupar.
Leah Langston Howman died in 1914 in Chipping Campden but she spent much of the 1880s and early 1890's with her youngest son Martin Langston Howman (born 1865 in Chipping Campden) who came to Cupar to take up the post of legal apprentice at the Cupar Sheriff Court,.He became Asst Procurator Fiscal for Orkney in 1888 or 89 and the 1891 Census shows Martin and his mother Leah living in Orkney. Martin then became Procurator Fiscal for Perthshire after 1900 AND REMAINED IN POST UNTIL HIS DEATH IN PERTH IN 1942.
In the 1901 Census she is living with her married daughter Leah Langston Johnston in Foots Cray Kent and in 1911 IN Shropshire WITH HER SON IN LAW IN An inn there.
Hope some of this is helpful. My direct email at work is (*)
Full name is Colin Gordon Langston Alexander Wood
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Hi Alex,
Thanks so much for all this information. It's wonderful! :)
Do you know much about Jane Steele? Do you know where she was from and who her parents were? Have sent you a PM with my email address but you'll only be able to view it after a couple more posts.
Never thought I would find any relations on Rootschat, it's great to have found one! ;D
Cheers,
Deb
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Deborah I have tried to send you transcriptions of the letters and a narrative I wrote about Leah Langston Howman to the email you provided but I am unsure if they reached you. Please let me know Alex
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Martin Bolton Langston was born 22 July 1795 and christened on 23/10/1795 in Chipping Campden. The IGI entry is under "Longston" which is why his birth is hard to find! He was married in London as per previous posts. He was a tailor (listed in a Gloucestershire directory) and may have been in London during an apprenticeship. I have not searched apprenticeship records. There is a reference in a family bible that wife Jane Steel was christened on 6/10/1798. The only matching IGI entry is a Jane Steel from Holme Cultran, Cumbria. The IGI entry for Martin's birth lists Jane Longston as the mother, with no father named. This suggests Martin was illegitimate. As per previous posts Sarah married George Taylor in 1812 in Chipping Campden. In the Gloucestershire Record Office, there are bastardy records for many years either side of 1795. They should not be difficult to search and if we are lucky, we will find out who Martin's father is. As I am in Australia, I have not followed this up. I have not found any reference to the Bolton name in my work. I have not been able to positively identify Sarah Langston's (Longston's) birth. As noted earlier, she was listed in the 1841 census as "born out of the county"
Jane Steels parents appear to be William Steel (b 1757)and Susan Osmotherley, (b 1764)both of whom were christened in Holme Cultran, but there is also a William Steel born in Chipping Campden in 1768.
Would appreciate any further news.
Ted Russell
Martin was my ggggfather, through his daughter Clara who emigrated to Australia in the very early 1850's.
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Great to get a reply from you Ted. The only information I have on this side of my family is what I have been able to find on the IGI and from the replies to my post. The replies have included a wealth of information and I've been able to fill in a lot of my missing branches on my family tree. I'm also in Australia and descended from Leah Langston. If I come across any further info will definitely pass it on.
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Debbie
Alex Wood is probably the best person to contact re the Leah side of the family. I am descended from Clara who emigrated to Adelaide in 1852. These are my notes about Clara
CLARA MAY LANGSTON
b chipping camden 17/3/1821 52.03n 1.46w 25 miles nw of oxford-times 56 h3
listed 1841 census in the hamlet of Berrington at Littleworth (at Chipping Campden) as age 20 living with Charles (69) and Sarah Taylor (67) and Leah Sarah and Charles. Interestingly Alfred is not listed, although he may have been listed as living with a neighbouring family named Blakeman (this unclear as the whole family is bracketed as a unit but Alfred's surname is blank, he is the correct age and there are few families in Littleworth). Charles is listed as an agricultural labourer and born in the county; Sarah is listed as not born in the county.
Clara is listed in the 1851 census at Chipping Campden entry 186 Littleworth living with her sister Leah, Leah's husband and 2 children
arrived australia on sultana 7/10/1852,left plymouth 19/6/1852 seamstress
assisted migrant
there was a family story that her fiancee in England was killed on the way to their wedding in a train
accident.
It has also been suggested that she was encouraged to emigrate by the minister who married her,
who may have been in the Chipping Campden area but left for Australia before Clara.
letter from brother alfred before she left dated june 1852 and several letters from her family form a
remarkable family record. Originals held by Liz Murray, hard copies and CD compiled by Kelvin
Smibert in possession of many in family
spinster,seamstress ur glenelg when married
d geelong 29/4/1883 5220 at noble st newtown and chiswell
cause cancer of uterus
her father was martin bolton langston-tailor
b chipping garden 22/7/1795 d 16/2/1837(family record)
martin listed as tailor in 1830 gloustershire survey at chipping campden
samuel langston boot and shoe mfr also listed-ref rhmf 211
campden had 1700-2000 people 1821-1894 but no Langstons in 1861 census, although Clara's sister leah lived with her husband George Taylor and 6 children.
I am in Melbourne. Are you?
Ted Russell
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Hi Ted,
I've been in contact with Alex, he's been a great help with information as well. I'm not that far from you I'm in New South Wales, not sure but I think you've already got my email address, Alex passed on your email address to me. Leah is my great grandmother's mother so that means we're third or fourth cousins???
Cheers,
Debbie
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Debbie
I have emailed the Gloucester Record Office for some specific information about Martin Bolton Langston and his mother Sarah. A standard reply should arrive in two weeks. Will let you know the result
Ted
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Thanks Ted, that would be great!!!
Debbie
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Martin Bolton Langston's birth in 1795 was recorded as Longston in the IGI. Bastardy records for Chipping Campden in 1796show that mother Sarah was single and that the father was Martin Bolton. There is more than one Sarah Langston born in Gloucestershire in the 1770's so it seems difficult to trace her ancestry. Sarah married George Taylor in 1812 and as reported in another post looked after the Langston children after Martin and his wife Jane died in the 1830's.
Does anyone have information about Martin Bolton Langston as an apprentice tailor in London. I suspect the Langstons were poor and the parish paid for Martin's apprenticeship but that is just a guess
Ted Russell