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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Wales => Glamorganshire => Topic started by: pahardy on Friday 15 May 09 16:10 BST (UK)
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Can you help Daphne Jurie 21 years on M. Cert 1911 m. Gwilym Meredydd Perkins 4 children Megan Eurian b.1912, John Benjamin b. 1913 d. 1913, Catherine Zena b. 1914, Gwilym Meredydd Hugo b. 1917. First 3 children registrations Cardiff, last child Bedwelty. Gwilym re-married Gertrude Maud Partridge 1927. Daphne disappears, children left with grandparents in Barry, Glam. The story goes she went back to France to live but I am not so sure about this. The Bedwelty birth intrigues me as she must have known someone there, maybe a family member found an entry for Florence Annie Murrian previously Jury but that is all. On m. registration Jurie, on b. registrations mothers maiden names Jury and Juris, so I am confused what her name really was and what happened to her, can't find birth record or death record. Her father name on Marriage Cert was George Jurie Occupation Gamekeeper any clues would be great!!
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Have you got her on 1911 census to see where she says she was born?
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No because the census for Glamorgan has not been released yet, which is where she was living in 1911. She married on 11/111911 Cardiff Registration and the address given on her M. Cert was 50 Gladstone Road, Barry, Glam thats if its correct.
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there are several Jury bmds registered Bedwellty. They start in 1904 so it could be that the family arrived after the 1901 census. The first one is marriage for a George..
It might be case of waiting for the 1911 which should be available this summer to get her place of birth.
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How will I know that they are related to Daphne, in Devon there are loads of them. Any ideas about the name and how I can identify which is the right spelling for her name. Its proving to be a bit tricky but maybe she will pop up somewhere.
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if you can find the families when the 1911 comes online, you can trace them back through the census years to see if they are related.
I wouldn't get too fixed upon 'correct spelling' of a name, it doesn't really happen like that. A name is spelt how the person recording the name writes it down.
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Hi Osprey,
I am hoping the 1911 census will help with tracing her, well I hope it will, so you say that sometimes the registrars just spell it how they think its spelled by hearing the name.
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Now the 1911 census is out for Glamorgan I still cannot find Daphne Jurie she had not married Gwilym Perkins when the census was taken, they married in 11/11/1911. On their marriage cert she was Daphne Jurie maybe she was born with a different surname and changed her name to Jurie, could that be possible.
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No because the census for Glamorgan has not been released yet, which is where she was living in 1911. She married on 11/111911 Cardiff Registration and the address given on her M. Cert was 50 Gladstone Road, Barry, Glam thats if its correct.
Have you tried doing a 'Place Search' on the 1911 for this Address? It might give some clues...
Romilly.
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I don't think I can be much help with Daphne, but I certainly know all about Florence Annie Jury. She was my grandmother!!
As it doesn't lead to Daphne, don't know how far you want me to go with that, but will be pleased to detail what I know about her, her history starting in Devon.
Will await you reply if you want to follow this up with me. :)
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Further thought to yesterday's message. Don't reply too much on, especially 21, on a marriage cert. Could be that she said 21 to avoid parental consent to the marriage (if she was under 21) OR she could have been trying to hide the fact that she was more than 21. Also the father's name might not be right. Whilst more usually reliable, it is not always so. Florence Annie's father on her marriage cert. is said to be John Jury which was rubbish as she was illegitimate and no father is given on her birth cert.. There was a close relative, John, who was her mother's brother but perhaps I shouldn't dwell too much on the possibility that he was actually the father!!
Strange that you say she disappeared after the fourth child and Gwilym re-married, but then say the story is that she went back to France. Did they divorce ? or might he have simply married (illegally) after she deserted him?
Another interesting point, you say she "went back" to France - was she born there? and if so any info. on when she came to UK?
Sympathies on a very knotty problem to unravel.
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Thank you Davik for your input. I printed off on the census the address which she gave on her marriage cert in 1911 even though she was not on it I was curious to see where it was and who lived there. I was surprised to find an array of people staying at this address, none of them related, it look like a boarding house of some kind in Barry, Sth Wales, which got me thinking that maybe she had come from overseas or from another part of England perhaps. It is a tricky one, but Daphne, if that is her real name must have come from somewhere, so I will keep on looking until I get lucky. Regards pahardy
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Still searching for Daphne Jurie/Jury/Juris, no luck though, probably will have to start ordering some of her childrens birth certs, will this help me or not. ???
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birth cert will help you with her address at the time and should give all previous surnames for her.
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Ok thanks for that Osprey. :D