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Some Special Interests => Occupation Interests => Topic started by: las camelias on Thursday 14 May 09 21:09 BST (UK)
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Hello Rootschatters,
Could someone please help with where I can get information about teacher training and national schools c1850? Perhaps there's a website, but I can't find it!
I need to know where school mistresses were trained, how long it took, when national schools were first set up, etc.
Many thanks,
LC
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I have not heard of National Schools, I thought the 1870 education act was the start of general education when Board Schools were created. Prior to that itwasn't it charity schools, the so-called Ragged Schools or paying?
Deryck
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I've found links before but can't seem to find much more than this on Wiki:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_school_(England_and_Wales) **
also:
http://www.afamilystory.co.uk/history/education.aspx#National
I don't think that there was any formal teacher training. One of my grt grt grandmother's sisters ran one in Wales.
Gadget
** see below
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I think it is the wrong link, it should be National Society for Promoting Religious Education (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_National_Society). It was founded on 16 October 1811 as the "National Society for Promoting the Education of the Poor in the Principles of the Established Church in England and Wales".
http://www.natsoc.org.uk
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I don't understand - the Wiki link didn't work second time around. I'll try again:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_school_(England_and_Wales)
It's still not giving the link to the page that I have up. Here is the intro:
A national school was a school founded in 19th century England and Wales by the National Society for Promoting Religious Education. These schools provided elementary education, in accordance with the teaching of the Church of England, to the children of the poor. Together with the less numerous British Schools of the British and Foreign School Society, they provided the first near-universal system of elementary education in England and Wales. The schools were eventually absorbed into the state system, either as fully state-run schools or as faith schools funded by the state.
Prior to 1800, education for poorer children was limited to isolated charity schools. In 1808 the Royal Lancastrian Society (later the British and Foreign School Society) was created to promote schools using the Monitorial System of Joseph Lancaster. The National Society was set up in 1811 to establish similar schools using the system of Dr Andrew Bell, but based on the teachings of the Church of England in contrast to the non-denominational Christian instruction of the Lancastrian schools. The aim of the National Society was to establish a national school in every parish of England and Wales. The schools were usually adjacent to the parish church, and named after it.[1]
From 1833, the state began to pay annual grants to the societies, with the much larger National Society receiving a proportionally larger share. The grants increased over time, but they were accompanied by inspections and increasing demands from the state. The rigid monitorial system, though economical, came to be viewed by inspectors as limited.
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The report on the census of Education, England and Wales, 1851 is at http://www.rootschat.com/links/06au/
Stan
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To Stanmapstone, Gadget and Deryckjohn.
For contributing to my continued learning!
Thank you very much.
LC
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LC,
Many thanks for posting on this subject :)
I'm now off to learn more as one of my ancestors was School Master at the National School in Wombourne, Staffordshire and another was closely associated with the Ragged School on Queen Street, Manchester from 1860 to 1910 where my grandfather did his schooling and won a prize (a Bible) for Assiduity!
Thanks everyone
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Easier / fuller link to info re National Schools would be
http://www.natsoc.org.uk/society/archives.html.
A couple of years ago the archivists there were very helpful, if slow!
The National Schools Training Institute was at Baldwins Gardens, Holborn, London - [from ca.1812, I think]. There was Diocesan Training College for School Mistresses at Stapleton, nr Bristol from mid-1800s [attended by my g-g-aunt], later became Fishponds Training College.
Simple way to locate individual national schools is to search 'National Schools' in nearest appropriate directory on Historical Directories web-site. [Sorry if that's 'teaching granny'!]
Hope this helps,
p1pangy
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National Schools were basically Church of England while British Schools were their Non-conformist equivalent. They were very similar and both used "pupil-teachers". These were the brighter older children who spent part of their time at lessons and the rest teaching the younger children. The best could be kept on as assistants and by inspection and exams could then go on for training as qualified teachers.
Robert