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Having trouble sorting out relatives and family connections of Richard Parle and Mary Spellacy married in 1860 in Glenorchy Victoria Australia.There are lots of Spellacy and Parle families in Victoria and New south Wales and I am having trouble tying all the families together.Mary's parents are Mathew Spellacy and Honorah Maloney.If I could obtain additional information regarding parents of Mathew and Honora back in Ireland that would be fantastic also.Cannot find a current contact for the major Parle family site which provided me with vital information on the net and was dated 2001.If anyone knows someone I can contact regarding these connections I would be grateful.Thanks Erika.
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Hello Erika, I'm not sure exactly what you are looking for but in case some of this helps, here goes:
This may be the link you are looking for, scroll down to Australia 2001 and sub heading Victoria, it mentions Richard who went to Melbourne from Ireland and gives some details of his Ancestors.
http://www.parle.co.uk/genealogy/australia-p1.htm
Cannot find Richard's death, but Mary died 1916 aged 76 at Footscray Victoria. Parents: Matthew Spellery and Honoria Moloney.
Found Offspring:
. Margaret b 1864 Pleasant Creek d 1871 aged 8 Pleasant creek.
. James b circa 1867 d 1944 aged 77 Warracknabeal Victoria.
. Matthew Jonathon b 1868 Pleasant Creek d 1940 aged 71 bendigo.
. Ann Elizabeth b ? wed 1891 Glenorchy.
. Mary b 1871 Glenorchy.
. Michael b 1875 Glenorchy (twin?) d 1875.
. Joseph b 1875 Glenorchy (twin?) d 1952 aged 76 Parkville.
. Honorah Margaret b 1877 Glenorchy.
. Maude Eleanor b 1879 Glenorchy d 1907 aged 27 Ballarat.
. Thomas Patrick b 1881 Glenorchy.
Many of their marriages and offspring are able to be found also.
Regards,
Aussie Bob
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Hello,
Ann ELizabeth is registerd as PARL in 1862 #8577
Matthew Spellec(r)y father died in 1869 birth place Clare rego 1432
He and Hanorah had other children and at least one born in Victoria.
Selina was born in 1861, #15294, a daughter Eliza died in 1864 aged 5 born Glenorchy , John born Melbourne died aged 24 in 1875 This gives an apporximate arriveal date of around 1850
There is presumably another sister Bridget, born Clare, married in 1877, #3200 to John Campbell. She died in 1882 aged 33 in Glenorchy# 1848.There are other Spellecy marriages one for Catherine in 1873 to born Glenorchy, to Georg Louis Blanc, from Queens County Ireland.#2634
Surname also recorded a Spelesy in the indexes.
regards
Robyn
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Thanks Aussie Bob and Robyn for your replies.Will have a look at that information you provided and see about putting more things in place for both these families.Have got most of the information for the Richard Parle children one of whom, Ann Eliza Parle was my great grandmother.She and Richard were married in Glenorchy at the residence of Michael Spellacy but I am not sure how he fits into the picture.Have printed off some information from Victorian BDM site and hope to get some answers regarding the relationship status of Michael Spellacy and the other ancestors mentioned on line.Any idea how I can follow up clues on Ann Nowlan and James Parle who were mentioned in the Parle Australian connection site?I am looking for hints on websites I can access which provide the Irish data that would pertain to these families also.Also wondered if there are any current contact addresses of Parle ancestors I can contact.Once gain thanks for your interest and posts. Your assistance is much appreciated.Cheers.Erika.
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Hi,
There is a James Parle died aged 58 in 1871 #451
An Annie Nolan b Ireland died aged 38 in 1876 #99518 plus 2 other Anie Nolans in 1883 one aged 35 #4136 and one aged 63 #5856.
Nowlan is not common and there seems to be very few Anne Nowlan/Nowland in the Victorian records.
regrds
Robyn
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Thanks again Robyn for that additional information.This will enable me to get a handle on some other relatives and start to get the family in order. Much appreciated. Hadn't looked at that other spelling of Spellacy although there were certainly a few other variations in the data I got from The Victorian BDM site.Cheers Erika.
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Hi Erika, I am not sure if you could follow links, from the previous site I sent, to the following one that lists Richard's death, burial and heaps of other info, so here it is,
http://www.parle.co.uk/genealogy/australia-p2.htm
Aussie Bob
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P.S Have you contacted Michael A Parle who runs the Parle site? His contact details are available, address and phone number, on public directory on this link. He may be able to point you to Fred Parle who contributed the Victorian Info on Richard Parle:
http://www.192.com/search/search.cfm?section=all&view=s&who=Michael%20Parle&location=meavy,%20devon&btnSearch=%20Search%20Now
Aussie Bob
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Thanks Aussie Bob, This was the person I sent a few emails to but they all were returned as failed email system so I didn't get amy further with my research enquiries.Cheers Erika.
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A current Parle at Redan, a suburb of Ballarat, where Richard died:
http://www.whitepages.com.au/wp/resSearch.do;jsessionid=172F394F87D0FB44F86FF4FD049CFF9E
Aussie Bob
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Thanks Bob will keep that on file and see how I go with chasing up the other info first.Have emailed a few people that wrote letters to that Parle site so will see if that avenue provides some additional information. Once again much appreciation for everyones assistance.When your still learning the ropes and the resources on offer all these clues help to add to your own knowledge base.So you all provide valuable assistance on many levels.Cheers Erika
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Erika,
I have quite a deal of information on both Richard Parle and Mary Spellecy, as well as their wedding photo. One aspect of their marriage certificate is that it records the wrong information of Mary's parents. This was something that proved frustrating for years until i got on the right track. Mary's parents are as stated in the forum Matthew Spellecy and Honora Moloney. Honora was born in Tulla and Matthew in Cratloe. Two of Matthew's brothers also came to Victoria - Denis and Martin.
Richard Parle was born on 19 Feb 1831 in Ballyvaloo. His father James was born in 1787 and died 13 Oct 1837. Ann Nolan (or Nowlan) died after 1837 and is buried in the same grave as James but no date is recorded.
which family are you descended from? Lomax, Cashmore or Trainor - I actually went to school with many of the Prendergast boys (Trainor family). Gerard
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Erika, I can't acces PM yet. Can you send PM with your contact details in order for me to send detailed family history. Gerard
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Gerard
Richard and Mary are my Great Great Grandparents. I am currently compiling my family history and would appreciate a copy of the information also, including a copy of their wedding photo if possible. I stumbled over this string during my research. Their son James was my GGrandfather.
If I can be of any assistance with that branch of the family just ask.
Greg
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Hi,
Two of Matthew's brothers also came to Victoria - Denis and Martin. GERARD
These 2 are buried at Kyneton Cemetery.
Can give a few details if relevant ;D
Sue
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The following PARLE's are noted as being buried in the old Ballyvaloo Graveyard
Grave 1.
James Parle - Ballyvaloo - 30th October 1837 - Age 50
Grave 2.
Mary Parle - Tubberlumnay (assume this should read Toberlomina) - 28th December 1820 - Age 75
John Parle - 30th October 1831 - Age 80
Richard Parle - 30th December 1852 - Age 26
(Source: Blackwater Parish Journal July 2004)
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A little bit more ;)
Richard PARLE married Mary SPELLECY (SPELLACY) in 1860 (#2478)
Offspring
1.Ann Eliza PARL, father Richard PARL, mother Mary SPELLECY,birth place Glenorchy in 1862 (#8577)
Ann Eliza PARLE (birth place Glenorchy) married James BELL in 1891 (#919)
2.Margaret to Richard and Mary SPELLESY at Pleasant Creek (Stawell) 1864 (#10824)
little Margaret died aged 7 at Pleasant Creek in 1871 (#8485)
3.Matthew to Richard and Mary SPELLACY at Pleasant Creek in 1868 (#25461)
Matthew John PARLE,father Richard Parle, mother Mary SPELLICY died at Bendigo aged 71 in 1940 (#17062)
4.Mary to Richard and Mary SPELLECY at Glenorchy in 1871 (#16556)
Mary PARLE (birth place Glenorchy) married Thomas Wmv Fulton HARCOAN in 1908 (#8408)
5.Joseph to Richard and Mary SPELLECY at Glenorchy in 1875 (#9465) (twin?)
Joseph PARLE (birth place Glenorchy) married Eliza Jane SCULLIN in 1908 (#5875)
Joseph PARLE, father Richard, mother Mary SPEELECY died at Parkville aged 76 in 1952 (#8924)
6.Michael to Richard and MARY spellecy at Glenorchy in 1875 (#9466) (twin?)
little Michael died age 1 day at Glenorchy in 1875 (#7025)
7.Honora Margaret to Richard and Mary SPELLECY at Glenorchy in 1877 (#22616)
8.Maud to Richard and Mary SPELLECY at Glenorchy in 1879 (#23556)
Maud Eleanor died age 27, father Richard Parle, mother Mary Spellecy at Ballarat in 1907 (#10869)
9.Thomas Patrick to Richard and Mary SPELLIERY at Glenorchy in 1881 (#3140)
Thomas Pat PARLE married Bertha Louisa CONDER in 1903 (#769)
Mother - Mary PARLE (father Matthew SPELLERY, mother Honoria MOLONEY) died in 1916 aged 76 at Footscray
(#10150)
Other possible sibling
James PARLE, father Richard, mother unk unknown died at Warracknabeal aged 77 in 1944 (#21589) (birth c1867)
Notice the spelling variations of SPELLACY :)
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Hi,
Two of Matthew's brothers also came to Victoria - Denis and Martin. GERARD
These 2 are buried at Kyneton Cemetery.
Can give a few details if relevant ;D
Sue
I am interested in burial details of these Sue. Please do post
Thanks Dale
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Sincere thanks to Shorts and LoganH for that additional information.If anyone has any obituaries or death notices for these family members it would mean a great deal to me if I could obtain copies. I don't seem to be able to find much in the way of information regarding wills for any of these family members either other than Ann Eliza Bell nee Parle who was my great grandmother.If any members could point me in the right direction regarding these two enquiries, I'd also be most grateful. Cheers Erika.
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Looks like their is a will/probate for Maud E Parle who died in 1907.
You might what to search here to then access the details.
http://www.prov.vic.gov.au/indexes/index_search.asp?searchid=54
Joseph Parle - death notice, The Argus Thursday 10 July 1952 page 11
http://newspapers.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/23189584?searchTerm=parle
PARLE - Requiem Mass for the repose of the soul of the late Mr. JOSEPH PARLE will be cele-brated at St. Monica's Church, Footscray, at 9 a.m. TOMORROW (Friday).
The Funeral will leave the church at the conclusion of the Mass for the Footscray Cemetery. (No flowers, by request.)
HERBERT KING &. SONS M W 2025
PARLE. - The officers and mem-bers, of the Kevin Barry Branch, Irish National Foresters, are hereby notified that the Fune-ral of the late Brother J. PARLE will leave St. Monica's Church. Footscray, at the conclusion of Re- quiem Mass, commencing at 9 a.m.,TOMORROW (Friday) for the Footscray Cemetery (No flowers,by request. ) J LOWE, C.R. J. J. THOMPSON Secretary.
Will send PM. :)
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There are Probates/wills online for Maude Elinor PARLE Ballarat, and a James PARLE Belfast (Port Fairy).
http://proarchives.imagineering.com.au/index_search.asp?searchid=54
Regards, Bob Poole
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Thanks again to Logan and Bob for that additional information.Some really interesting details have come to light and I am very appreciative of all your efforts.It's been a while since I posted the first message and it's so pleasing that people are still looking at these families and taking time to post some terrific data for my tree.You are able to access data from areas I have not sourced before and I am most grateful.Cheers Erika.
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Hi
I have just come across this excellent thread and would like to revitalise it if I may.
My interest was initially in Bridget Spellacy born in Ireland c1848 who married John Campbell. I have come across what I believe to be an anomoly in regards to her parents, and the parents of Mary I suppose. The shipping lists on PROV show a Spellacy family arr Melbourne per AURORA in 1850 the family is Michael b c1815, Honora b c1822, Mary (a neice) b c1837, Mary b c1840, Margaret b c1843 & Bridget b c1848. Now then, that's when Michael disappears and Matthew appears. The passenger list is available on the NSW State Records site and it is certainly written as Michael. All subsequent records (including this thread) then appear to mention Matthew & Honora. If this is the correct family arriving, and I think it is, can anyone shed any light on this anomoly please.
Wondering also about the other Mary, the neice, who could she be?
Cheers
Bob
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Bob,
Yes the name of Michael is incorrect, it should read Matthew. I have no idea why it was recorded as such but I have proved through all children that Matthew is the father's name let alone his mention in various records (NLA, Stawell Historical Society, and so on).
As to the neice, I still haven't worked out where she got to but I am working on two leads at the moment. The Spellicey family (with its various spellings) came from the Townland of Portdrine which is part of the village of Cratloe near the Co Limerick border.
Can you advise how you are related, assuming through the Campbells? From memory John Campbell is buried at Glenorchy in the plot directly west of the Spellicey grave. I noticed quite a number of Campbells buried there. The plot directly south of the Spellicey grave is the REA family which Mary is Honora Spellicey's sister. It seems they were a close knit bunch, inlife and death!
Gerard
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Hi Bob and Gerard,
My Great Grandfather Matthew Poole was recorded in an early record as Michael Poole. I was of the opinion that it arose from someone working off the initial M and assuming it stood for Michael. Many assumptions were made in those day. Having said that, I am assuming as well :-\.
Aussie Bob ;)
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Hi Gerard & Bob
Thanks for the information and assumptions ;) I must say we were pretty sure that Michael & Matthew were one and the same.
We are not related to the Spellacy family, or the Campbell's for that matter, although the connection is, as you assumed, through the Campbell family. As a child my partner lived in Stawel next door to a couple Esplin & Mabel Uren, nee Campbell. John Campbell was Mabel's uncle, brother to her father Alexander. Mabel & Esplin died childless without any known relatives and my partner rescued a few family photos. We became interested in tracing the Uren & Campbell families to see if we could locate any descendents who may be interested in order to pass on the photos. Being 'Genie Junkies' we just kept following the various family lines hence our interest in the Spellacy family.
We have had some success in tracing the families and their in-laws back to their roots overseas, which is really as far as we want to go. However finding a descendent of the different branches is proving a challenge.
Cheers
Bob