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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: Just Kia on Saturday 09 May 09 22:31 BST (UK)
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Is there anyway to check on a death in Williamtown NSW?
Sarah SHEARMAN (née SCALES) is reported to have died 09 May 1871.
Do Australian records give any additional info such as confirming parents names, etc?
As far as I know she was born c1812 in Brundish and married George SHEARMAN c1830 also in Brundish.
I do not know when she emmigrated, but I believe after 1844.
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You can check here
http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/familyHistory/search.htm
5546/1871
SHEARMAN Sarah
Father Jeremiah Mother Celia
District Raymond Terrace
Information on death certs in NSW should contain parents' names, date of marriage, spouse and children if any, if known to the informant.
You can purchase a transcription for AUD $17 from a transcription agent - cheaper and quicker option than purchasing a cert [abt. AUD$26] Transcription is emailed to you.
http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/familyHistory/howToSearch.htm#TranscriptionAgent
Cheers
Cando
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Hi,
Here is the entry
5546/1871 SHEARMAN Sarah parents - Jeremiah and Celia, District - Raymond Terrace
http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/familyHistory/search.htm
For details on NSW certificates please see
http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/familyHistory/certificateDatesAndContent.htm
Transcription agents - A cheaper alternative
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,300394.0.html
Cheers Kris :)
PS I see Cando amended her entry after I saw her post for a Martha SHEARMAN, a added a lot more information. I will leave my entry as I have included a link for information contained in NSW certificates
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Perhaps this is her husband's death
11516/1887
SHEARMAN George
Age 80 Years Died Newcastle
District Newcastle
and also note there was one possible birth to this couple
V18551793 42A/1855
SHEARMAN David
Father George Mother Sarah
Cando
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Perhaps this is them arriving
http://srwww.records.nsw.gov.au/indexes/searchform.aspx?id=43
SHEARMAN Mr, Mrs Earl of Charlemont P 29/3/1852 Liverpool SGT Mr, Mrs S Shannon, 3Ch in SMH
SHEARMAN H A Master Earl of Charlemont P 29/3/1852 Liverpool SGT Mr, Mrs S Shannon, 3Ch in SMH
SHEARMAN Miss Earl of Charlemont P 29/3/1852 Liverpool SGT Mr, Mrs S Shannon, 3Ch in SMH
There are more passenger record links at the top of board under Australian Resources > New South Wales.
Cando
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Hi,
Just to support the likliehood of DAVID Shearman being a child to the right couple.
In the Greville Directory for 1872, (just a year after Sarah's death) for the town of William Town, there are 2 Shearman entries on page 552.
George Shearman , no occupaion listed, at Long Bight.
David Shearman, farmer , at Long Bight.
There are only 40 or 50 listings for William Town!
Sue
ADDING. If it is of interest, that the 3 SHEARMAN's arriving per Charlemont which Cando spotted were all "Cabin Passengers" according to a newspaper report published in Sydney 3/5/1852.
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There are also the odd tree or two out there in Cyber space which has the couple and five or six children arrviing 27th August 1844 on The Templar into Sydney
I checked on the SRO for this shipping record the Templar did arrive etc but no listings showing of Shearman or even a name similar, but it would seem that some if not all of research seems to be well documented.
I found this on a public tree
When George arrived in Australia with his wife, Sarah, he was assigned to Richard Windeyer of Tomago, near Raymond Terrace, as a farm labourer for a period of 12 months, with specified rations for this period.The settlement could be terminated by either party by giving a month's notice. However, if George were to terminate the settlement he was to repay Richard Windeyer the cost of the passage for himself and his family from England. There is nothing to suggest that George did not remain with Windeyer for the specified time.
He subsequently acquired a dairy farm at Fullerton Cove which was to remain in the family for a number of generations.
When George died at the age of 75 in 1887 he was buried at the Pioneers' Cemetery Raymond Terrace. His headstone reads
"Affliction sore with Patience Bore
Physicians were in Vain
Till death did seize and God did Please
To ease me of my Pain"
Jenn
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Can't help thinking that the birth of DAVID ten years after their arrival is a bit unusual.
Possible.....David belongs to one of the many other SHEARMAN's in the area.
There are certainly more than one David Shearman
There are burial listings and bdm listings for a number of people by Shearman name, including a few George's and it seems easy to confuse one Sarah Jane Shearman , one Sarah Shearman and one Jane Shearman.
Sue
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Oh my gosh, thank you so much for all this help.
The most important thing to me is that this confirms Jeremiah and Celia, I've never been convinced that they were the right couple, don't why just a feeling.
Sarah was the sister of my direct ancestor John SCALES. I've got both Jeremiah and Celia's parents and I'm sure they are right.
George and Sarah's children were Celia, George, Charles, Mary Ann, James and David. Apparently James and Charles died c1844 in Suffolk, England (I need to follow that up and check). The other children all died, as adults, in NSW.
I wonder if the birth of David to George and Sarah in 1855 could be the child of George Jnr - George married a Jane, not Sarah.
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Hi
The most important thing to me is that this confirms Jeremiah and Celia,
It is good that your main aim has been achieved on the thread. ;D ;D
However, Without wishing to sound negative...I would like to say ...in order to cleary establish the offspring and marriages and deaths of the SHEARMAN's of the Newcastle area, you should trawl through BDM NSW online records as well as all the available cemetery records,... which often give a small family history as part of the headstone that can add to the bmd data.
http://www.bdm.nsw.gov..au
With such an overlapping of given names to the Shearman family, all in the Newcastle area ,the only way, to be certain of your line, is to do some logical elimination from these records and then to purchase the certificates for the events to confirm.
Looking at the above public resources, I saw a great many entries which could make your conclusion questionable.
Do you have certificates already to confirm you listed details?
Sue
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I'm was already sure of my lineage as far as Sarah's brother, John. Sarah isn't in my direct lineage and thus the Shearman's of NSW aren't. At this time I don't want to delve too far into the descendants of Sarah and George, although I'm sure I will follow them up at a later date.
I already had the names of John's parents as Jeremiah and Celia, I just wasn't 100% sure that was right. However I am sure that Sarah is John's sibling and if her death entry confirms her parents as Jeremiah and Celia then it cross references with what I already know.
Could you tell me what you saw that makes you think Jeremiah and Celia being Sarah's parents is questionable please?
Unfortunately, I don't have certs as John was born (and married) prior to 1837. Also Celia died prior to 1837, so I haven't been able to place her with Jeremiah on the 1841 census. I do have Jeremiah with his son George (and George's wife, Mary) on the same census page as Sarah with husband George - as Sharman rather than Shearman (with Celia, George and Mary Ann). I also have previous connections between the Sharman and Scales families.
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Could you tell me what you saw that makes you think Jeremiah and Celia being Sarah's parents is questionable please?reply#10
The most important thing to me is that this confirms Jeremiah and Celia, reply #8
It is good that your main aim has been achieved on the thread. reply#9
Hi Just kia,
I did not mean to imply there was any question regarding Sarah's parents.
My posting is about the SHEARMAN's of the Newcastle area and gives consideration to GEORGE JNR's DAVID's parents.
It looks like for now anyway, these questions can rest!
Sue
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I have George Jnr (and sisters Celia and Mary Ann) with George and Sarah on the 1841 census, still in Suffolk, England.
Sorry to sound dim, but I'm not quite following.
But thank you to each who took time to reply =)
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Hi Justkia,
I think the source of the confusion lies in a huge typo made by me in REPLY #11. ::) ::)
I have typed GEORGE where I intended DAVID.
It is his birth and parents I am curious about.
There are a number of DAVID Shearman's in the region, a couple of George's and a good mix of Sarah's ,Janes, and Sarah Jane's.
I wondered had you confirmed his birth in Australia?
Sue
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Sarah SHEARMAN (nee Scales)is an ancestor of my husband.She died at Williamtown N.S.W. ,9 May,1871 aged 57 and was buried at Raymond Terrace in the Pioneer Cemetery.Her parents were Jeremiah Scales,farm labourer and Celia. She was married at 17 years to George Shearman/Sharman/Sherman at Brundish 13 Dec. 1831. At her death, she had been in N.S.W. for 26 years and she ,George and 4 children arrived from Cork on the "Templar" on 27 August, 1844. She had no further children in N.S.W.
We have ,in the past been in contact with Scales researchers and believe Sarah's parents were Jeremiah Scales b.22 Apr 1777 in Stradbroke, Suffolk and Celia Genery/Chenery b. in 1775 in Wilby, Suffolk. Sarah's siblings appear to be John, James, William, Mary Jeremiah,Elizabeth,Anne,George and Susanna. Regards,
ozilyn
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Hi ozilyn,
A Big Welcome to RootsChat ;D
I am sure JustKia will be pleased to see you.
Confirming the arrival on the TEMPLAR 27 Aug 1844
Application of Married Male Immigrant
SHARMAN George according to his own statement was a farm Lab aged 33 - according to certificate an Ag Lab aged 31, according to engagement a farm Lab
Native Place - Readingfield Suffolk
parents names - David his father dead - does not remember his mothers name.
State of Bodily health, strength and probable usefulness - Good
Religion - Baptist
He can Read
No Complaints
Females under protection - None
Relatives in the colony - None
Bounty Claimed £18 14
Application of Married Female Immigrant
SHARMAN Sarah according to his own statement was a Dairy Maid aged 28 - according to certificate aged 31.
Native Place - Brandish Suffolk baptised 13 Sep 1812
parents names - Jeremiah and Celia Scales - father alive
State of Bodily health, strength and probable usefulness - Good
Religion - Baptist
She can Read
No Complaints
Females under protection - None
Relatives in the colony - None
Bounty Claimed £18 14
Children under 14
Males
George 10 baptised 6 Oct 1833 bounty £9 7
David 2 Born 3 Mar 1842 bounty £9 7
Females
Sealy Alia 11 baptised 19 Aug 1832 bounty £9 7
Maryann 8 Baptised 22 Nov 1835 bounty £9 7
The Passenger list states them as Pretestant from Suffolk. Richard was to be engaged by Richard Windeyer of Tomago for a wage of £15 and single rations for 12 months
George 31 Farm Lab
Sarah 31 Dairy Woman
George 10
David 2
Celia 11
Mary Anne 8
Cheers Kris :)
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Thank you for this.
I'm very interested that they arrived in Australia from Cork - that means after they left Suffolk they went to Ireland first.
I was fairly sure that John's (my ancestor) parents were Jeremiah and Celia. I was very sure that Sarah and John were siblings. So having evidence of Sarah's parents names on documents confirms the names for me. Without going back in time and asking them personally I'm as sure as I can be that I do indeed have the right line here.
I guess that makes your husband and I X cousins n times removed =)
Back in Suffolk the Shearman line is Sharman - I have another connection to the Sharman name on the Suffolk branches (that one also took some unravelling).
Oh goodness, krisesjoint - what an interesting and wonderful find.
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There is a marriage of David SHARMAN Widow = Maria MAY 26 Sep 1813 Ipswich St Mary at Quay (only one I can see in the timeframe, but if its him, he is listed as widowed)
There was a David SHERMAN buried at Redlingfield 23 Dec 1814 aged 37 years
There was a Mary SHARMAN buried at Redlingfield 19 Aug 1816 aged 39 years
George SHERMAN = Sarah SCALES 30 Dec 1831 Brundish
Found some of the baptisms which agree with the immigration records
Sealy SHEARMAN 19 Aug 1832 Brundish
George SHERMAN 6 Oct 1833 Brundish
Mary Ann SHERMAN 22 Nov 1835 Brundish
Cheers Kris :)
PS I would suggest they left from London not Cork. The Ship sailed from London on May 2 to Cork on May 16 and on to Australia
http://www.nla.gov.au/ferguson/14403897/18440831/00010024/1-4.pdf
You will see the arrival on page 2 and a lot more on page 3
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Jeremiah and Celia's children (all born Brundish) were:
John b1796 (I personally think this was probably 1798) married Maria Turner m1821 Brundish died 1865 Bedfield
James b1800 married Charlotte Butcher m1830 Brundish
William b1802
Mary b1804 died 16 Jun 1856 Worlingworth
Jeremiah b1806
Elizabeth b1808
Anne b1810
Sarah b1812 married George Sharman m1830 Brundish died 9 May 1871 Williamstown
George b1814
Jeremiah's (1777) parents were Jeremiah SCALES (c1750-1803) and Elizabeth NORMAN (c1750)
Jeremiah's (c1750) parents were Jeremiah SCALES (b02 Oct 1715 Tivetshall) and Susannah UNKNOWN (c1726-21 Apr 1755 Tivetshall)
Jeremiah and Susannah's children (all bapt Tivetshall, St Mary) were:
Frances b23 Aug 1747 (prossibly Susannah's mother? This line do seem to follow the old naming convention the further back you go)
Edward b02 Jan 1750 (possibly Jeremiah's father)
Jeremiah b1750 (after Jeremiah)
Richard b17 Oct 1753 (Susannah's father?)
Daniel b13 Oct 1754
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I Have read this thread with much interest. I came across it when searching for info about fullerton cove farming history.
I realise that the shearman side of your research is not you primary task, but this info may be of help.
Mary Ann Shearman Daughter of George and Sarah married William Sansom.
The Sansom family in the Raymond Terrace, Stockton and Fullerton cove area descend from William's father George Sansom and wife Mary West. George and Mary along with Mary's brothers Anthony (with family) and James (Single) all came out to Oz on The Templar in 1844.
There are numerous Wests, Sansoms, and Shearmans burried in Stockton Cemetery ceck out link and view the gravestones.
I know all this because my wife is descended from the West Family. And I work less than 5 minutes from Stockton Cemetery.
http://austcemindex.com/cemetery-inscriptions.php?id=201&page=2
You could also try this link
http://parishmaps.lands.nsw.gov.au/mrsid/show_map.pl?client=pmap&image=PMapMD04/11169501.sid&mapval1=STOWELL&mapval2=GLOUCESTER&maptype=PH
This will show you the land ownership in the fullerton cove area in the parish of stowell. Shearman name is evident on the map middle left.
Also
http://parishmaps.lands.nsw.gov.au/mrsid/show_map.pl?client=pmap&image=PMapMD04/11170501.sid&mapval1=STOCKTON&mapval2=GLOUCESTER&maptype=PH
Happy Hunting
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My late grandfather, Leslie Shearman (born Cook's Hill, 1889) once met with your patriarch to try & trace any relationship, without success. Trade names can be difficult!