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General => The Common Room => Topic started by: missjayniee on Friday 08 May 09 16:36 BST (UK)
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Hi all wondering if anyone can give me advice please. I've been doing my Mytton family tree and have started a webpage. I have got back as far as Edward Richard Mitton, Mytton born C1812 hes on the igi marrying Ann Harper Archer. The problem I now have is how do I get back further to his parents, his births not on igi but he was born in Birmingham do I have to go round the churches etc I'm not sure. Any advice gratefully excepted please .
missjayniee
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can you get his marraige certificate?
Celia
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Hi
I see that they married in St Thomas, Dudley in 1833. Maybe if you could get hold of the marriage entry and find out who the witnesses were it may give a lead. They could be relatives.
Gadget
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Looking at a database I have of Mytton/Mitton names, Edward Richard Mytton is in there, unfortunately parents' names not given.
Gadget's suggestion of getting a copy of the marriage entry, as witnesses may give a clue, is your best bet, hopefully another Mytton was a witness.
Susan :)
My Myttons were from Herefordshire :)
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Thanks all somebody's going to have a look for me on Saturday as she has an appointment at Dudley archives (Dudley been the place of marriage on igi)so fingers crossed as I live in hull now its hard for me top find time to visit there. When we do manage to get to midlands our time is spent visiting rellies. Hopefully this kind lady will find something.
Jayne
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Jayne, just because someone's name isn't on the IGI index, it doesn't necessarily mean that the LDS don't have films covering the area. The LDS have thousands of films waiting to be transcribed, so you should try to find out if they have any films covering the geographical area of interest. Then you can order the films and view them at your leisure at your local LDS centre.
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Hi Nick
As I read it, Jayne doesn't know which parish he was born in so would have to order a number of films and search through them all. I don't think that she's keen to do that :-\
My cousin and I once looked at the films from about 20 parishes and have still not found a burial of one of our ancestors. It is a hard slog.
Gadget
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Thanks Nick at the moment I'm hoping that the person going to Dudley archives at weekend will find out some more info on the marriage as the only thing I know about Edward Richard Mittons (Mytton) birth that he was born in Birmingham c1812. As i don't live in Birmingham anymore thats made my research quite difficult and have only been able to actually attatch my husbands grandad to a Mytton family through the 1911 census after about 9 years of searching as his mum Ruth fibbed on his birth cert and Albert Henry Mytton my husbands grandad had a different dads name on his marriage cert as it turned out he was born out of wedlock . If all else fails I will contact the lds and follow that line. Thanks for your interest.
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These are the films on parish records that the IGI hold for the Dudley area.....
Births and baptisms, 1803-1837 Independent Church. King Street (Dudley)
Births and baptisms, 1804-1837 King Street Chapel (Dudley, Worcestershire : Wesleyan)
Births and deaths, 1814-1837 New Street Chapel (Dudley, Worcestershire : Baptist)
Births, baptisms and burials, 1743-1837 Presbyterian Church (Wolverhampton Street, Dudley, Worcestershire)
Births, marriages, and burials, 1656-1827 Society of Friends. Dudley Monthly Meeting (Worcestershire)
Bishop's transcripts for St. Edmund's Church, Dudley, 1615-1642 Church of England. St. Edmund's Church (Dudley, Worcestershire)
Bishop's transcripts for St. James Church, Dudley, 1846-1851 Church of England. St. James' Church (Dudley, Worcestershire)
Bishop's transcripts for St. John's Church, Dudley, 1844-1853 Church of England. St. John's Church (Dudley, Worcestershire)
Bishop's transcripts for St. Thomas' Church, Dudley, 1613-1855 Church of England. St. Thomas' Church (Dudley, Worcestershire)
Burials, 1829-1837 Wolverhampton Street Chapel (Dudley, Worcestershire : Methodist New Connexion)
Church records, 1835-1903 Catholic Church. Our Blessed Lady and St. Thomas of Canterbury (Dudley, Worcestershire)
Dudley parish registers from the earliest period Blocksidge, E
Dudley, St. Thomas, parish registers : baptisms, marriages, burials, 1541-1649
Dudley, Worcestershire : some monumental inscriptions in the churchyard of Saint Thomas Church and in the burial ground of the Wesleyan Methodist Church, also extracts from the parish registers at Saint Thomas, Dudley Worcester Gardner, David Ensign
Minute books, 1797-1817 Society of Friends. Dudley Preparative Meeting (Worcestershire)
Nonconformity in Tipton, Staffordshire : including the baptismal registers of the Bloomfield and Tipton Green Wesleyan Methodist Chapels and other noncon- formist material
The Old non-parochial registers of Dudley : comprising those of the Society of Friends, the Old meeting house, the Independents, the Wesleyan Methodists, the Baptists, and the Methodist New Connexion Rollason, Arthur A
Parish register of St. Edmund's Dudley, vol. 1, 1540-1611. Series 2 Roper, J. S
You can search the LDS catalogue online.
It's possible that the records office in Dudley will have all or most of these, but there's a lot of records to wade through ! :)
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Thanks. Although Edward was married in Dudley, 16 MAR 1833 Saint Thomas, Dudley, Worcester, England the details off IGI he was born Birmingham
which was Warwickshire Dudley at the time was Worcestershire.
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I now konow the witnesses at Edward and Anns wedding one was Sarah Archer,Anns mum and the other was someone called Thomas Allen who I've since found out was a professional witness so that did'nt help ??? So where to look now I'm not sure maybe as Nick29 posted I may have to go through IGI records for Birmingham. On 1841 census he would be born c1816 but on 1851 which is transcribed wrong as Edward Richard Mittor not Mitton he would be born c1812. Does anyone know where I would have to go to look at IGI microfiche for Birmingham please as his birth is not yet transcribed on the online IGI. Also would there be bishops transripts for those years baptisms does anybody know please? Or are bishops transripts just for marriages? Thanks for your interest.
missjayniee
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The LDS Web Site (http://www.familysearch.org/eng/default.asp) has all the information you need. Hover your mouse over Search Records then select Library Catalog. This brings up a new page, and on there you should click on Place Search.
When you have found the films you want, make a note of the film numbers, and then find your nearest LDS Centre (you can search for that under the Library tag), where you can reserve the film(s) to view. I should warn you that some films can take up to 3 months to arrive, depending on the number of people who have requested it. If you want to view the films faster, I believe the LDS Centre in Central London has virtually a full set of films.
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Thanks Nick29 I'll take a look.
Jayne
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On the database I have, Edward Richard Mytton is recorded as being born 1812 Birmingham.
On the 1841 census the age of anyone over 15 years was usually rounded down to the nearest five, so someone aged 24 would be recorded as 20, someone aged 27 recorded as 25.
Birtmingham Central Library has baptisms on microfiche.
The Mitton/Mytton database, containing hundreds of names, was given to me a number of years ago when I was trying to find my Mytton ancestors. If you want anyone else looked up please ask. The source of the information is IGI and BMD registers, originally held at Somerset House.
Susan :)
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Thanks for that so I should be looking at his birth as 1812 rather than 1816 maybe do you think. Have spent most of day going through indexs for his death but so far at 1906 which would make him 96 but still no luck also I haven't seen his wife Anne in deaths either. I think Edwards going to be hard to pin down. Thanks for your interest. Do you have Myttons in your family then Keziahemm. But I shall carry on searching.
Jayne
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Hi Jayne
Is he consistent with his age in census, apart from 1841? Looking for death of Edward, which census did he last appear in?
Post details on the Warwickshire board, someone may have access to parish registers, put a link back to this post.
My maternal great grandmother was a Mytton, her family came from Herefordshire.
Susan :)
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Thanks Keziahemm
I will put this on Warwick one later when I get time but somebody has given me an interesting thought
Louisa Mitton (1808) and Thomas Henry Mitton (1815) were children of Richard and Ellen Mitton. They had 8 children listed in the IGI but there is a gap between Jane (1809) and Thos (1815).
It was common to use the father`s Christian name (Richard) for one of the children. I already new about this family all births on IGI and have them on unproven tree. This is the e mail isent back to him
I already have Richard and Ellen on my unproven tree. On the address on my husbands grandad Albert Henry Myttons marriage it wasn't a family home it was aThomas Victor Cox ( My husbands aunty remembers the Cox's as family friends)and family living there on the electoral roll and before 1911 we struggled to find Alberts parents as Ruth his mum had told so many fibs particularly on his birth cert, Anyway in desperation I did the Cox's tree futher back at the parents home of Thomas Victor Cox Chares Cox been the head on the 1891 census Thomas is 14 years old but there is a visitor to the house an Emily Ann Mytton, so I looked further at her life thinking this must be the connection she never married Cornelius Mitton (its a long story) but used his surname calling herself his wife. Richard and Helen were his grandparents. His mother Martha Turner Mittons parents she married another Mitton Edward born 1801, (hes the brother of the one I have been trying to prove is the father so maybe I've been barking up the wrong tree) Kerry, Montgomeryshire. So if your theory is right that would make Edward Richard Mitton born 1812 the uncle of Cornelius. Now I just need to prove it. Typical if your right thats the one thats going to be missing on IGI but it does tell me they were methodists at Cherry Street Wesyleyan methodist in Birmingham. Ooh now at least maybe I can find some info don't know where will have to find out. Thanks for your help .
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hi this is the message I put on Warwick page but had no replies hopefully someone else will be able to advice me please .
Regards Jayne--
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Hi All
I've been doing my tree for about 9 years but have had a lot of problems with my husbands family tree mainly because my husbands great nan Ruth Mytton the daughter of Ebenezer Mytton from Birmingham had my husbands grandad out of wedlock and fibbed on his birth cert. All became clear with the 1911 census. I have managed to get as far back as Edward Richard Mitton later spelling it Mytton born 1812 Birmingham he married Ann Harper Archer in 1833 at St Thomas's Dudley a kind lady checked Dudley archives whilst she was there for me but on the record its Anns mother as a witness and someone called Thomas Allen who it turns out was a professional witness so that didn't give me any clues. I think this might be the correct family
Louisa Mitton (1808) and Thomas Henry Mitton (1815) were children of Richard and Ellen Mitton. They had 8 children listed in the IGI but there is a gap between Jane (1809) and Thos (1815).
All children on IGI but how can I find out about Edward please? Why would he be missed off both birth and christening records when all others were on. The church was Weseleyan Methodist church cherry street Birmingham.
Any ideas as to where I look gratefully excepted. I have started a Mytton of Aston webpage but am keen not to put on anything thats not proven or anyone not living. This is my website so far but would be lovely to get further back.
http://sites.google.com/site/myttonsofaston/Home
unfortunately I don't live in Birmingham anymore I'm now in Hull so research is difficult. So look forward to any ideas .
regards Jayne
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Birmingham Archives in the Central Library has the baptisms for Cherry Street Methodist Chapel 1802-1886
http://www.birmingham.gov.uk/archives.bcc
Email the archives, perhaps they will have a look for you, or maybe someone from RC will be visiting the archives.
The National Archives has some nonconformist records online, free to search the index, you have to pay to see the image http://www.bmdregisters.co.uk/
Richard is a very common name within the Mitton/Mytton clan going back to the 1400s in my records.
Susan :)
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Thanks a lot for your help, it looks like a trip to the Birmingham archives for me then when can get back to midlands.
Jayne ;)
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Thanks Nick 29 have taken your advice and have today ordered the microfilm for Cherry Street Wesylan methodist Church , Birmingham am hoping to connect Edward Richard Mitton to the Mittons already on the lds family history website as there is a gap between the age he would be born of the children of Richard Mitton and Helen. If hes not on there I'm going to have to see what other churches are in the area. If hes not on there I wonder if for some reason hes the one child of a few they didn't have christened but can't think why that would be. Thanks again.
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Good luck in your search ! :) Please let us know how it turns out.
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Will do they said will take about a month to arrive so fingers crossed. Do you know how they will be printouts or on microfilm that i'll have to look through. Thanks for your help. Jayne
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They'll almost certainly be on microfilm, but don't worry, if you're not sure about loading and/or using the reader, the staff at the LDS centre will help you.
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Thanks the lady on the phone seemed very helpful and my local place is only about 6 miles away. Jayne
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Just to let you know have had phone call from my local IGI family history centre to say that the records for the Cherry Street Weseleyan methodist church have arrived so going there tomorrow fingers crossed ;)
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Good luck Jayne, hope you get a breakthrough!
Susan :)
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Just to let you know went to lds family history today. Unfortunately the film that was supposed to have the years on for cherry street church that I need weren't on the film only later years starting 1830 which is strange because on igi thats on internet, all the others in family I'm trying to connect my Edward Richard Mitton to are not on the film no. i ordered so don't know why the church records for 1802 to 1837 were not on the film , now i don't know what to do. ::) the man at family history was helpful and said he'd take a look at the film when he gets oppurtunity but I even looked through the years starting 1830 and there was nothing. So didn't even find the brothers and sisters that I'm hoping are Edwards. Oh well at least tried.
Thanks for help everyone.
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Hi Jayne
Have a look at the link I gave in reply #18
The National Archives has some nonconformist records online, free to search the index, you have to pay to see the image http://www.bmdregisters.co.uk/
you'll find, in the index, the baptisms of Peter, Helen, Martha Turner, Louisa and James, children of Richard and Helen Mitton. You'll have to pay to see the image of the actual page, cost £2.50, luckily they are all on the same page!
Couldn't see Edward Mitton/Mytton :-\
Susan :)
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Thanks they are all on the igis website with births and baptisms in birmingham, Warwicksire, and parents but the person I really want to find is my husbands ancestor Edward.Thats where i got the reference nos for the mirofilms for weseleyan church cherry street but on viewing that film its a different date to one transcribed on igi. On igi library can't see the microfilm starting 1830 that i was given to view today. ??? Do you think the link to bmd registers you gave me will have any different information than i already have please?
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The ones I've looked at give Father/Mother, parish living in, date of birth, date of christening, and who carried out the christening.
I said earlier they may be on the same page, having looked at mine, although having the same reference number are on separate pages, so £2.50 an image could work out expensive ::)
It's worth searching the free indexes.
Next step may be Birmingham Archives, who has the baptisms for Cherry Street.
Susan :)
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Thanks Keziahemm I thought worth a try with bmd bought £10 worth of credits but they're not all on same page and credits were soon gone. On the national Archives they have the Cherry Street Weseleyan Chapel Birmingham and say they have the records at Birmingham library. Is there anyway of accessing stuff from the national archives online i really have no idea how you use the online national archives. Any advice gratefully received.
Jayne
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Hi All
I've just found Edward Richard Mytton on the England and Wales criminal registers in December 1856 Birmingham charged with embezzelment and sentenced to 8 months. Does anyone know if there would be a newspaper for then that might tell me what he actually did please. ::)