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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Suffolk => Topic started by: Briannicus on Friday 08 May 09 12:27 BST (UK)
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Hi all,
Can anyone help with:
William Rogers Dowsing b. Bredfield 1849)) was the son of William Dowsing and Sussanah Grimwood. I believe that he had a brother called Edward…probably a bit younger. He married a woman called Julia E…..? They ended up in Brighton, Sussex with 7 or 8 kids (the second youngest being Ethel Elvina Dowsing b. 1887 in Romford Essex).
We are having trouble linking William the elder (husband of Sussana) with the rest of the tree so that's the key info. I'd really like to have. Anything also welcome of course.
Thanks in advance,
Brian
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Hi Brian
MARRIAGE:
http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/
Liverpool - Sep Qtr 1873 - 8b 509
Willam Rogers DOWSING and Julia Emma BROWN on same page.
1861: Pupil William DOWSING 12, b Woodbridge Suffolk, in a school in Chipping Hill, Witham, Essex.
RG9 / Piece: 1107 / Folio: 108 / Page: 8
1871 Possibly: William R? N? DOWSING 20, clerk, b Woodbridge Suffolk: lodging in Harwich, Essex
RG10 / Piece: 1680 / Folio: 120 / Page: 16
1881: William R DOWSING 32, b Woodbridge, with wife Julia E & children in in Deptford St Paul, London,
There is a brother (of William) in the house: John E DOWSING 23, Clerk Coach Builder, b Woodbridge Suffolk abt 1858
BIRTH: John Edward DOWSING - Woodbridge - Sep Qtr 1857 - 4a 563
There is also a visitor in the house: Susannah BUNN, 65, widower, occ: Nurse, b Bently, Suffolk
RG11 / Piece: 708 / Folio: 9 / Page: 14
1891 William R DOWSING 42, b Woodbridge Suffolk, with wife Julia E & children in Croydon Surrey.
RG12 / Piece: 591 / Folio 24 / Page 43
1901: William Rogers DOWSING 52, b Woodbridge, Suffolk, Head of house, married but neither wife nor children in house , in Brighton Suffolk Sussex
Also in house is a female Housekeeper Servant and 2 male boarders.
RG13 / Piece: 921 / Folio: 133 / Page: 21
If you need full transcript of the above Census', please let us know!
Cheers
AMBLY
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1851: Corn Hill (Kings Arms Inn) - Parish of St Mary Tower, Ipswich, Suffolk
HO107 / Piece: 1800 / Folio: 320 / Page: 23
Head: William DOWSING 28, married, Inkeeper and Manure Agent / Ma*l** employing 1 man, b Woodbridge Suffolk
Wife: Susanna DOWSING 24, b Bredfield
Son: William R DOWSING 2, b Woodbridge Suffolk
Son: James T DOWSING 3mths, b Ipswich
SisterinLaw: Ellen E GRINWOOD 16, unm, Visitor, b Bredfield, Suffolk
Plus Servants and Apprentice'.
Can also see William & Susannah in 1861 in Woodbridge : RG9 / Piece: 1170 / Folio: 105 / Page: 8
In this one William is 38, and a Corn & Coal Merchant
Cheers AMBLY
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Thank you both very much for those. Very kind.
I'll go to work unscrambling the info. and seeing if I can fit onto my tree, though at a quick glance any info. about William the Elder's origins aren't going to be available from these censuses.
Brian
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There is a William Dowsing bp 27/5/1821 at St Mary's Woodbridge listed on IGI.
His parents are given as James Dowsing and Mary Rogers.
There are also 2 Edwards born to the same parents.
Edward bp 3/1/1834 died 1/1/1836
Edward bp. 15/5/1837
Both baptised at ST. Mary's Woodbridge.
Bredfield is only a few miles from Woodbridge.
Regards Amber39
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Thanks for that.
Hopefully this will add up to something.
Regards
Brian
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Hi :)
I am also stuck with the Dowsing family, my 2nd G Grandaunt Mary Leach b1830 Swilland Suffolk marr John Cooper Dowsing abt 1847 @ Bosmere Suffolk I would like to find children parents etc.
Can any one please help.
Regards
C
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Hello Charlie,
Thanks for that.
They're not on my Dowsing gedcom, but that's only 298 people.
I have asked a cousin who knows far more than I do, though she's on holiday until next week so it may take a while.
The Dowsings of Ipswich, Woodbridge, Bredfield, Dallinghoo and Melton do seem to be one large family, if only we could link them all up.
Yours
Brian
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Hi
1851: Witnesham, Suffolk
HO107 / Piece: 1801 / Folio: 39 / Page: 15
Head: John C DOWSING 31, Master Cooper, b Witnesham, Suffolk
Wife: Mary Ann DOWSING 21, b Swillund, Suffolk
son: George 3, and Walter 2, both born Witnesham.
There is a John Cooper DOWSING here, right age and pob
http://ancientancestors.net/F61/F61693.htm
Parents: Rebecca DAMANT and Richard DOWSING - says Richard was b abt 1786 at Great Glenham, died 1862 Witnesham.. The DAMANT part of the tree carries back to 1709-ish.
Also found on this link, basically same inormation
http://www.royalblood.co.uk/D483/I483929.html
If you need other census for the couple, please let us know!
Cheers
AMBLY
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:)
I'm sorry I can't give you any more info on the pair Brian to add to your tree.
Ambly thanks for the census, at least now I have another line to follow
if it's possible would love the census info on the couple after 1851.
Regards
Charlie :)
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Brian,
I think you have all the information on the Dowsings of Bredfield that I had (more in fact) but I was struck by your mention of my great grandfather William Rogers Dowsing and his daughter Ethel Elvina Dowsing who was your grandmother. She is my grandmother too, but I thought I knew all her children (my aunties and uncles) and their children....I never heard of a Brian being mentioned.
She had five children that I know of. Dorothy (who I believe was illegitimate) then Violet, Phyllis (my mother), Albert, and their was another brother Bill (who may have been the eldest child) who died in his early teens from food poisoning.
I'm wondering if my grandmother Ethel had a couple of families! Can you enlighten me?
I have not been able to find anything about William Rogers Dowsings death. Anyone have any ideas.
David
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Dear David,
Sorry to have got you all excited / worried but I was obviously having an Alzheimer's moment back there (now modifed). I must have been writing one thing, changed my mind, and the 'my grandmother' slipped through.
My Dowsings at this period all come from Bredfield, a tiny place, so one assumes they are all related, but I can't find out where William, husband of Susannah Grimwood attaches to the rest of the clan. If you know, do let me have the info and we'll sort it out.
Again, my apologies,
Regards,
Brian
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JAMES DOWSING
Ipswich Journal 9th November 1833
Thursday se’nnight was launched at Mr. William Bayley’s ship-yard, a fine smack, called the “London Packet” of about 85 tons, the property of Mr James Dowsing and others, This vessel is intended for the regular trade to and from London and Woodbridge, and is considered in her construction for stowage and sailing qualities, likely to vie with the first class of modern-built vessels.
Ipswich Journal 2nd January 1836
Deaths
26th ult. Edward, youngest son of Mr James Dowsing, ship-owner, of Woodbridge, aged 2 years.
Ipswich Journal 17th May 1845
Married
13th inst. at Bredfield, Mr Wm Dowsing, master of the “London Packet”, Woodbridge, to Susanna, eldest daughter of Mr Thomas Grimwood, of the former place.
Ipswich Journal 31st May 1845
Married
27th inst. at Woodbridge, James, eldest son of Mr James Dowsing, shipowner, to Sophia, fourth daughter of Capt. Hunt.
Ipswich Journal 28th March 1846
Married
26th inst. at Woodbridge, Mr James W Knight, eldest son of Mr Wm Knight, merchant, Grundisburgh, to Mary, eldest daughter of Mr James Dowsing, shipowner, of the former place.
Ipswich Journal 17th August 1850
Died
10th January last, at Brighton, South Australia, of consumption, Charles, son of Mr James Dowsing, shipowner, of Woodbridge, aged 19 years.
Ipswich Journal 3rd December 1853
Died
30th ult. at Woodbridge, aged 22 years, Lydia, the beloved daughter of Mr James Dowsing, shipowner, of that town, and only sister of Mrs Knights, of Quay House, Ipswich.
Suffolk Herald 20th January 1857
Died
On the 13th inst, at Melton, aged 67, Mr James Dowsing, formerly shipowner, of Woodbridge.
Ipswich Journal 22nd February 1868
Deaths
Dowsing – at her residence, Thoroughfare, Woodbridge, aged 70, Mary, relict of Mr James Dowsing, shipowner, only daughter of the late Mr William Rogers, sen., merchant, Woodbridge.
WILLIAM DOWSING
Ipswich Journal 15th September 1883
Marriages
Dowsing-Beevors. 13th inst. at St Johns, Woodbridge, Walter Grimwood, late of her Majestys Royal Dragoons, and fourth daughter [sic] of the late Wm. Dowsing, merchant of the above place, to Sarah, only child of Mr George Beevors, Garforth, Yorkshire.
Ipswich Journal 28th June 1884
Marriages
Dowsing-Hood 16th inst. at Stafford J.T Dowsing, second son of the late William Dowsing, of Woodbridge, to Fanny, only daughter of Francis Hood, of Cannock.
WILLIAM ROGERS DOWSING
Liverpool Mercury 21st July 1875
Deaths
Dowsing- July 17, aged 7 months, Mary Susanna, only daughter of William Rogers Dowsing
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Thank you very much for that Dave.
Haven't had time to process it yet, but will do as soon as I get a chance.
Brian
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Anyone have an Isobella Mary Ann(e) or Mary Ann(e) Isobella Dowsing late half of 1800s ?
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In Dec qtr 1868 when Charles Frederick Grayston was 26, he married Mary Ann Isobella DOWSING, daughter of Samuel DOWSING (abt 1819-) & Maria OWLES (abt 1823-), in Ipswich. Born in Dec qtr 1846 in Leiston, Suffolk. Mary Ann Isobella was baptized in Leiston, Suffolk, on 19 Sep 1847. Mary Ann Isobella died in Ipswich, Suffolk, in Dec qtr 1910 ; she was 64.
A relative of anyone on here?
Eddie
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Hi g6rik & others,
Samuel DOWSING b 1819 Orford d 3rd Qtr 1875 reg Ipswich
1841 census East Street Ipswich Suffolk : occ Painter
1844 res Orford Suffolk : occ Blacksmith (White's Directory)
1851 census Foundry Lane, Leiston Suffolk : occ Journeyman Blacksmith (recorded as Henry)
1871 census 49 Mount Street, Ipswich Suffolk : occ Fitter at Iron Foundry
married 04/11/1845 St Margaret's, Leiston
Maria OWLES b 14/02/1823 Leiston ch 18/02/1823 St Margaret's, Leiston d 3rd Qtr 1878 reg Ipswich
1871 census 49 Mount Street, Ipswich Suffolk
Children :-
1. Mary Anne Isabella DOWSING b 20/12/1846 Leiston
1851 census Foundry Lane, Leiston Suffolk
2. Elizabeth DOWSING 1867 reg Ipswich
married 3rd Qtr 1894 either Joseph Tyndall BOWERS or George FLORY
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Thanks ! It's a coincidence that Isobella Mary Anne married a CF Grayston (My gg grandfather) and her father lived in East St. Ipswich because even though I have no records of anyone in my tree living there I did find a newspaper article of a Grayston (as yet unconnected) living there and committing infanticide and suicide.
Heavy stuff !
Thanks again :)
Eddie
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Hi g6rik,
Actually, FreeBMD does not have any Mary GRAYSTON death for 1910.
Best wishes,
Peter.
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Hi Peter,
By then she was calling herself Isobella Mary Ann and her husband Frederick Charles was calling himself Charles Frederick (Just Charles on the death cert). His grandson Charles Frederick Lesslie Franklin was called Les by everyone. Makes it all a nightmare.
I do not have access to folios online but I have an index for Suffolk 1851 census and it shows Mary Ann (b. Leiston) aged 4 Dist 17 f 098
Maria (b. Leiston) aged 28 Dist 17 f 098
Henry (b. Orford) aged 32 Dist 17 f 098
Elizabeth (b. Leiston) aged 6 Dist 17 f 117
Ann 10 (b. Leiston aged 10 Dist 17 f 117
Caroline (b. Friston) aged 17 Dist 17 f 117
Charlotte (b. Friston aged 42 Dist 17 f 117
George (b.Lowestoft) aged 42 Dist 17 f 117
I wonder what the connection is... the two folios
The only Samuel is from Orford
Samuel (b. Orford) aged 60 but way different district Dist 16 f 475
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Hi g6rik,
Found her death 4th Qtr 1910 reg Ipswich indexed as Mari A I GRAYSTONE age 64 and his birth reg 4th Qtr 1942 Plomesgate Suffolk as Charles GRAYSTON.
Best wishes,
Peter.
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Hi g6rik,
Also found his death 1st Qtr 1900 reg Ipswich indexed as Charles GRAYSTON age 57.
As for the 1851 census, I think Samuel DOWSING's middle name must have been Henry. Many people called their spouse by their middle name (especially if other family members had the same first name), and probably forgot to break the habit for the census taker. That has occurred several times in my Family Tree. I wish the Registrars bothered to record middle names more diligently - after all, people were handing over money for the privelege ??? of having the names written down.
Best wishes,
Peter.
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Hi there Peter.
Yes, that makes sense, he must have been a Henry too. I last did the family tree around 1990 - 1995 and the internet had just taken off but there was very little on it so all of my work was done with pen and paper. Half of it is still missing, stored somewhere. One of my younger cousins asked me for some info so I looked it upand found teh Grayston side of another site. I sent a query and pic and BANG it took off with relations appearing everywhere, Canada, US, Suffolk. It seems that they had each done a lot of work and just neededintroducing to each other. The Graystons was done mainly by a guy called Andrew Hudson. After exhausting the Graystons around 1670 in Cretingham Suffolk one of thethe Graystons in Canada asked if I had done any Dowsing work so here I am. If I remember rightly I originally had an idea of Samuel's parents being William and Rachel (Ayton/Ayrton) but I AM trying to recall 15+ years ago. The computer programs available then were few and far between so all I had was a prog called "Parents" . When I find a really good one I that is commonly used I may go through the heartache of transcribing it all.
Attached is Charles Frederick (Isobella's husband 1842-1900)
Regards and many thanks,
Eddie (London)
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Hi Eddie,
Samuel DOWSING’s wife Maria OWLES had another son presumably out of wedlock named David Bryant OWLES b Mar 1843 Westleton Suffolk ch 16/04/1843 Leiston
Maria OWLES’s parents were John OWLES b 1799 Leiston ch 07/02/1799 St Margaret’s, Leiston & Mary CROSS b 1797 Sternfield
It was John OWLES’s parents who were James OWLES b 1764 Leiston ch 29/04/1764 St Margaret’s, Leiston & Rachael AYTON b 1768 Saxmundham
A good repository for keeping all your data in order is Personal Ancestral File available on www.familysearch.org. It is a free download and very flexible, especially when you find somebody remarried or got adopted.
Best wishes,
Peter.
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Hello All,
I think I have a something to add to William Rogers Dowsing, and I'm confident that it is the same one.
My husbands grandmother was Ena Veronica Dowsing, father William Rogers Dowsing and mother is Rosetta Ann Chappell. Father's occupation commercial traveller, which ties in with the 1891 and 1901 census. All the paperwork I have suggests I have the right William. The 1911 census states he was born 1849 in woodbridge, Suffolk.
Williams probate states he left everything to Rosetta. I have the 1911 census with them both living together allegedly married for 20 years but can't find the marriage certificate, could be he was still married to Julia however William and Rosetta had 7 children together.
Would be nice to hear from someone to confirm if I have got this right.
Regards
Victoria