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I have a marriage between John Wharton and Sarah Scruton at St Cuthberts 14 12 1763 found on the IGI.I have looked at the Bishops Transcripts on Family Search but no marriage are listed for the yearly years.Can anyonbe help please?
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Hello Gwenj
On familysearchlabs site, some of Darlington's BTs are listed under Parlington ::) :D
However, as you say, they seem to start with only burials and baptisms, so you may need to trawl right through to find the marriages as sometimes some of the transcripts are out of order
Durhamrecordsonline don't have marriage records for St.Cuthbert's for that year, however I did a search including the year, and the marriage is listed in the Paul Joiner marriage index, (that is pay-to-view) http://www.joinermarriageindex.co.uk/search.php
so it looks as if the information you have from the IGI is correct.
Kind regards
Barbara
:)
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Thank you for your reply Barbara.Have looked through all 252 pages for St Cuthberts and there are no marriages,in any order,for 1763! In fact,there seem to be very few marriages recorded at all!Would there be records anywhere else do you think?As I said in my original post,it's on the IGI so there should be a record of it somewhere!
Regards,
Gwenj
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Barbera,Just re read second part of your post! Will check that site out! Thanks again,
GwenJ
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Hi GwenJ
The registers for St. Cuthberts are at Durham County Record Office, County Hall, Durham, DH1 5UL
http://www.durham.gov.uk/Pages/Service.aspx?ServiceId=448
You may not get much more information from the record though, other than their names, and witnesses, and whether or not they were living in the parish at the time of the marriage
Barbara :)
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Darlington library has St Cuthbert's records on film, and Indexes for the earlier ones. I might be going tomorrow and will check it out.
Regards,
Colin
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Hi Gwen,
Marriage at St Cuthbert's Darlington, page 93.
John Wharton of this Parish Gentleman & Sarah Scruton of this Parish Widow were married in this Church by Licence this 14th day of December in the year of our Lord 1763 by me Jas. Smith Sub-Curate
This marriage was solemnized } Jno. Wharton
Between us } Sarh. Scruton (both signed)
In the presence of } Robt. Wastell
} Gerd. Wharton (both signed)
The marriage Index for 1754-1799 listed the following which might be of interest.
James Wharton = Mary Davis - 11 May 1784
William Wharton (Barnard Castle) = Ann Robson - 18 July 1791
Elizabeth Wharton = George Harrison - 26 Dec 1799
Regards,
Colin
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Hi Colin,
Well done!
Barbara
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Hi Colin,Thank you VERY much for that.As Sarah is noted as a Widow,would Scruton be her Maiden name or her married name?Its also interesting to see that there is a Gerard Wharton as a witness.Gerard Blisson Wharton,the Solicitor must have been named after him! I wonder where the middle name Blisson comes from? An unusual name,must look this up!Thanks again,Colin and if you get a chance to look at other references that I made I would be most grateful.
Gwen
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Hi Gwen,
It's usually the current surname that is used for a widow, so she may have been a Blisson. It might be worth checking for a male Scruton death a few years before this marriage, and then look for his marriage to Sarah.
I was a bit bemused by the marriage entry as no marital status was given for John, so it's possible he could have been a widower. It might be worth checking for a marriage allegation (licence application) at Durham Univ. Library, Palace Green.
I didn't want to confuse the issue, but are there any links to Richmond with the Whartons?
Regards,
Colin
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Hi Colin,Thank you for reply.Have had a quick look for a Scruton death or a marriage to a Sarah but have not had time to have a thorough look yet.Will do so tomorrow.I wonder if John was a widower when he married Sarah - there is a baptism on IGI in 1760 for an Ann,daughter of a John Wharton but no name for a mother is shown.I know that isn't unusual.
As for your comment re Richmond - is that a place or a name? Not come accross it as far as I'm aware but have not been working on this branch for very long.
Gwen J
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Hi Gwen,
Sorry to confuse you but it was for Whartons in Richmond, Yorkshire. The reason I asked was that the library had a press cutting about 2 sisters in Richmond who 'might' own the largest collection in the world of Wharton Bibles. The article explained that Sir -?- Wardle left a bequest in his will for a bible to be presented to anyone who learnt a specified Psalm.
As it seems to be specific to Richmond, I'm assuming Sir W was also of Richmond, but unfortunately it gives no indication of dates.
Regards,
Colin
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I have been checking Durham online and the only male Scruton death that is close date wise is for a George Scruton who died 1760 in Sunderland.Can't find a marriage to link him to Sarah yet though.Will follow through your advice re the marriage allegation for Sarah and John - I found this on Durham online too.Can I order a copy from them of do I have to go to the address at the Uni that you gave?
One final thing that you might be able to help me with! Do you ever visit Durham Records Office?I found a reference to Gerard Blisson Wharton relating to a "Plan of Estate at and near Bolam belonging to Gerard Blisson Wharton Esq in the Parish of Gainford and County Durham"circa 1820.Sounds interesting!
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Hi Gwen,
I'm not sure who you mean by 'Durham online'. Do you mean 'Durhamrecordsonline' ?
If so, the record would only be a transcription of their marriage details, which you already have.
The marriage allegation, is the application for the issue of a licence to marry. It normally contains the details of the couple, and confirmation of their eligibility to marry legally, which were given under oath. A third party (one or more named persons) is required to stand as bondsman in the sum of about £200, which is forfeited if the statements are found to be false. As far as I know, County Durham allegations are only held at Palace Green and would have been issued within 3 months prior to the marriage.
As far as I know, they are not searchable online yet. They are held in date order for each year so it would mean a manual search.
Regards,
Colin
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Thank you for your reply Colin.I 'll contact them to see if I can use a payable search serive for a copy.
Gwen J
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Durham Records Online do have some marriage bonds (if that's the same thing,I get mixed up between bonds, licences and allegations) and there are examples of what you get under transcription samples.
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thank you,will check it out.
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Hello,
I am looking for any information for the parents of Robert Granger(Grainger) and Elizabeth Peal(Peel) both of Darlington St Cuthbert Parish. They were married 27 May 1778. Robert died 10 Apr 1799 at age 55 and Elizabeth died 21 May 1802 age 46. They had 4 children Elizabeth, Hannah, Mary and William
Thanks
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Hi, There is a Baptism 10th March 1745 in Brough under Stainmore, Westmorland for a Robert Grainger son of Robert Grainger and one for an Elizabeth Peal in Chester le Street 14th March 1756 daughter of John Peal.