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Hello,
My ancestor is Valentine Blake Greaves who was the son of William Greaves and Barbara Turner who lived at the Hermitage in Mayfield, Staffordshire. Valentine was born in about 1831 and later emigrated to Australia. Valentine appears to have come from a large family (Siblings: Percival, Eleanor, Clement, Agnes, Edward, Catherine, Octavius and Elizabeth - assuming I have the right family). Has anyone compiled information on William Greaves or Barbara Turner and family of Mayfield - living in Mayfield in the early to late 1800s?
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hello
I have been researching Greaves of beeley. my ancestor is william a.b. greaves whom I believe is valentines brother. he also came to australia and is my great great grandfather. I also have a copy of a letter that Eliza, their sister wrote, listing family members and connections to people in ireland. Im now looking into the family tree and any info on the the hermitage at mayfield etc. did you have any luck. I'm knew to this but have found great site regarding greaves going way back. unsure what i'm allowed to post here.
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Julier,
Thanks for the response. It seems we are from the same ancestry. I have sent you a personal message and I hope you receive it. We may have been looking at the separate data on-line on the Greaves Family of Beeley, Derbyshire. Wonderful detail in the records. After my ancestor's mother (Barbara Turner) passed away in 1867 her husband William, who lived at the Hermitage in Mayfield Staffordshire, remarried but he then died a few years later and his second wife subsequently moved away from The Hermitage. As you know, some of the children of the first marriage emigrated to Australia, including my ancestor Valentine Blake Greaves. RootsChat has been a quite a help for me. Belconnen.
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Julier,
Looking on the web at the history of the Greaves it seems they lived in several locations but mainly in Beeley in Derbyshire and Mayfield in Staffordshire - at least for the ancestral line that interests me. I have never viewed the Hermitage - it is the address that my ancestor was recorded at in the 1850s+.
Belconnen
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I'm a direct descendant of William Greaves of the Hermitage in Mayfield and my family have done quite a bit of research on the family tree (and visited the current occupiers of the Hermitage and been given a guided tour!). Please feel free to email me.
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Sorry I guess I should have added my email address: kathie dot gadd at virgin dot net.
Julie - my daughter is going to Australia (Brisbane) next May for a year (hence why I was on here - trying to dig out more information to show her about your ancestor William AB Greaves and his role in defining the NSW / QLD state boundaries). My ancestory is from William AB Greaves's brother, Clement, who is father of Ida Greaves (my great grandmother). I understood WABG failed his medical school exams and was too afraid to go and face his father (Sir William - i.e. Barbara Turner's husband - who was a bit of a tyrant LOL). Instead he took a passage to Australia... Is the story correct, or is this family rumour and misinformation :o)?
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Hello HastobeKatt,
Great to hear from you. Yes, we appear to have the same ancestry going back to William Greaves (1800-1873) and his wife Barbara Turner of Mayfield, Staffordshire. My line is through Valentine Blake Greaves (1830-1909) one of their sons. William Albert Brailsford Greaves was Valentine's brother. Both settled in Australia in the 1800s. I do not know a great deal about William AB Greaves except that he was a surveyor, as you say. His descendants are in Australia and one uses this forum. I will send you a private message. I guess you aware that our ancestral "cousins" in the USA are compiling a data base on Greaves/Graves - worldwide. Regards, Belconnen
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Hi as well HastobeKatt,
Nice to hear from another member of the family, My GG Grandfather was Wab greaves, From the info I have which is mostly newspaper articles when he died in 1925, was that he was invited out here by Sir Thomas Mitchell, who has a main library named after him in the city if Sydney. Why he invited him out here i'm not sure. Would love to email you if thats ok.
Regards,
JulieR
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Hello there
I am related to Rosamond Greaves (nee Moreton) who married William Greaves of The Hermitage, Mayfield, in 1870. Do you know anything about the circumstances of their marriage?
There was a 50-year age difference and I think she may have been a servant to the family; I wonder if there are any anecdotes or photographs surviving?
They had two sons, one of whom died of hydrocephalus in infancy. Rosamond (Rose) returned to her home village of Duffield, Derbyshire after William's death in 1873, and eventually married a Benjamin Moseley.
I have a copy the Letters of Administration as William apparently died intestate; also of their marriage certificate.
Thank you
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Hello. I live in Australia and the only information I have is that after William's first wife, Barbara, died in 1867 (aged 61) William subsequently married Rosamond (Rose). I am a descendant of William and Barbara through their son Valentine Blake Greaves. The Greaves were a large family and at that time they lived at the Hermitage in Mayfield. Valentine would have been about 37 years old when his mother passed away. Several members of the Greaves family emigrated to Australia including Valentine. Valentine married Edith Adderton in Australia. Edith emigrated from Lowestoft in Suffolk. Sadly, Edith died as a young mother and her surviving children were assisted in their childhood by relatives and friends. The only photo I have is a faded photo of Valentine. I have his obituary and he was well respected. He was a court bailiff at one stage and also a gardener. I have no anecdotes other than that they were a quiet family in what are regarded as "pioneer" times where they settled. There is a fair amount of material on the worldwide Greaves (Graves) families at www.gravesfa.org . I will send you a private message. It was good you to get in contact via this useful website.
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Hi,
I'm trying to trace descendants of Barbara Greaves nee Turner.
Iam descended from the youngest daughter of Barbara Blake of Menlough, co Galway and Thomas Turner of Hales Hall, Staffordshire. son of William of Warrington.
She was Mary Ellen, and she, with her husband William Colburn Mayne, emigrated to Australia in 1839.
Would be interested to make contact with this side of the family in Australia, Britain and the Emerald Isle.
Blake 5
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Hello Blake 5 and it is great to hear from you. Thanks also to Rootschat for its efficient service. I am a direct descendant of Barbara and William Greaves of Mayfield and I live in Australia. Some of the Greaves family (children of Barbara and William) also emigrated to Australia. My ancestor was Valentine Blake Greaves (1830-1909) their third son. What I know of the Blake side of the family has been gleaned from an article by an Irish historian. Both the Blakes and the Greaves seem to have well documented histories. You will also have to add the USA to your research list because there is a Graves/Greaves association that has family reunions. They have an excellent online data base (you may know that, I guess). I will send you a private message and I am happy to provide what information I have. Belconnen.
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Thanks Belconnen,
My side traverses from Sydney up to Springsure in Queensland, and Armidale and Dubbo areas.
I saw the Greaves connection, and was also aware thanks to Chris Turner.
One of my 2nd cousins contacted Sir Luke William Burke Teeling via his solicitor before he passed away back in 1975.
He was unaware of Barbara (Jnr) had a sister who had emigrated here to Australia.
I'll add the USA to this site on your advice.
Blake 5
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Blake 5 - I can only think our relatives who emigrated to Australia must have crossed paths in those early pioneering days - surely - but perhaps I am only guessing. Valentine Blake Greaves finally settled in Mt Perry in Queensland but he had previously been working just near Maryborough. His wife-to-be emigrated to Maryborough about the same time with her two younger sisters - what courage and sense of adventure, in my view, for those three young people. Valentine's older brother William A. B. Greaves settled in NSW. Their younger brother Octavius Greaves was also in Queensland. The Greaves were a large family.
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Hello as well, i have sent you a message, i am also a descendant of george greaves. wab greaves was my great great grandfather. hope you get the message and we can communicate about our family history etc
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Hello
My family history connection with the Greaves is the daughter of William and Barbara......Catherine Sophia. She married the veterinary surgeon of Ashbourne, George Poyser. We have stayed a night in The Hermitage which was an unforgetable experience.
We have also made good friends with our new found relatives in Brisbane.
Please feel free to e mail me.
Regards
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Hello there. Not sure if you saw my posting, but my connection is that my 3 x great aunt, Rosamond, was William Greaves Snr's second wife. She was considerably younger, so I'd imagine this caused some consternation in the family! They had two children but one died infancy. I'd welcome any anecdotes or info you may have.
Kind regards
Tina
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hello teddycat,
sorry i didnt respond to post before, thought you were talking to beconnen, another cousin i have found from this chat. we were both related to Wab greaves, george greaves son from his first marriage. nice to hear from another line of the family. I will send you a message and maybe you can fill us in on your line of the family a little bit. I regularly email belconnen who is also in australia. I also see manchestermart has posted he is from greaves line also. talk soon.
regards,
Julie
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Hello Manchestermart,
I have tried to send you a private message but I think you (i.e. being your posts) need 2 more small "posts" before my message will go through the Rootschat system. Thanks for your offer of assistance. Nice to hear from you. As noted in this thread, my ancestor was Valentine Blake Greaves (1830-1909). Belconnen
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Hello
Thanks for your message. My name is Martin Heys and I am decended from Catherine Sophia Greaves who married George Poyser, the Veterinaray surgeon in Ashbourne. Catherine was Valantines sister.
Martin
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Hello teddycat,
I am Belconnen and I have commented briefly before on the marriage of William Greaves (1800-1873) to Rosamond Morton. Yes, it was William's second marriage after the death of his first wife Barbara. You may already be in contact with "Julier" on this thread. My line comes through Valentine Blake Greaves (1830-1909) who settled in Australia. I am unaware of any "consternation" within our particular line concerning the second marriage i.e. over the age difference in the second marriage. I have, however, seen reference to the age difference in a published article. If you want to send me a private message through Rootschat I will try to help with what information I have. The most that I can find out in my own family history is that Valentine Blake Greaves, one of William's sons from his first marriage, was a rather quiet individual. It is great to hear from you. Belconnen.
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Manchestermart,
That was a quick response. If you briefly "post" again you will hit "3" posts and I should be able to get a private message to you. It is good of you to respond. Belconnen.
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Hello
Thanks for your reply. It would be good if you were able to contact me. I do have information you may be interested in ref the Greaves of Mayfield. I have photos of the Hermitage that I can e mail to you.
Talk soon
Best wishes
Martin
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Hi all,
I am a descendant of Barbara and William also, via Octavius Butler Greaves (their 8th son) who moved to Queensland in the late 1880s.
I have met descendants of Valentine, William and Catherine, to name some. I too have been blessed to have had a stay (three nights) at The Hermitage in the early 1990s, by the good grace of the generous owners of the time. The cousins in Brisbane are well known to me, as well. :)
Here's hoping there is still interest in this conversation.
Blessings all from Maryborough
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Hello Maryborough - I have sent you a private message via RootsChat which contains my private email address. I have had some very helpful responses via Rootschat which resulted in photos of William and Barbara our mutual ancestors. You probably know that we have relatives in England and some were surprised to learn that they had distant cousins in Australia. I admire the pioneer Greaves family members who came to settle in Queensland in the late 1800s. What a challenge it must have been at that time. Their brother, W.A.B. Greaves, who settled in New South Wales is also remembered as a notable surveyor in that State. I am happy to share family history details with you. It was good to hear from you. Belconnen.