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Hi, I've been in touch with helpful folks on this board before, but as this is a request for a look up I thought it best to be posted here. I found a couple of Hillyards of interest in Piddington in the 1841 / 51 census and wondered "who they belonged to".
One is Andrew Hillyard age 55 in 1851 so b abt 1795/6 Piddington (wife was Sophia)
The other is James Hillyard age 51 so b abt 1799/1800 Piddington (wife Lucy in '41, widow in '51).
If anyone has infomation on their baptism / parents I'd be very grateful.
best regards
John Webster
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Hi John
I've extracted quite a lot of Hillyard info from the Piddington registers as my great great grandmother was Hannah Hillyard. Her parents were James Hillyard & Lucy Clark.
Andrew Hillyard was the natural son of Alice Hillyard. He was baptised at Piddington on 14th December 1794. Alice also had a son called William, who was baptised 15th September 1799.
James Hillyard was the son of Edward & Hannah Hillyard. He was baptised at Piddington on 13th August 1797. Edward & Hannah also had Susannah, baptised 17th February 1799.
In my notes I've written that James Hillyard married Lucy Clark at Piddington on 10th November 1818, but that info isn't in my extracts from the parish register! Either I missed it out or someone else gave me the information and I assumed Piddington, so sorry that's a bit unclear.
What I do have from the register is that James Hillyard married Elizabeth Shrewsbury 11th May 1817. I haven't "done" the burial registers yet, so can't say for certain that she was a previous wife who died, but he's the only James Hillyard I have.
Andrew Hillyard married Sophia Whitbread 18th November 1822.
I hope this helps and if you would like more of my extracts just let me know.
Diana
Amendment!
I have now found the marriage of James Hillyard to Lucy Clark at Piddington! It was one of 3 that were inserted at the end of the register and I had kept it in that order in my notes. Both were of the parish of Piddington and made their mark. The witnesses were George Clark and Susannah Clark.
Going back to the marriage of James Hillyard & Elizabeth Shrewsbury, they were otp too and made their mark. The witnesses were William Shrewsbury & Sarah Shrewsbury.
Regarding the marriage of Andrew Hillyard my notes say he signed the register and Sophia Whitbread made her mark. They were both otp. The witnesses were Benjamin Whitbread and Sarah Ann Hillyard.
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Hi John - again!
Sorry, I lied about the burial register bit as I have now found the following:
Elizabeth Hillyard was buried at Piddington on 3rd July 1817, age 28.
She must have been wife no. 1.
Regards,
Diana
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Diana
Thanks for the reply, I've recently done a check of nearly all Piddington Hillyards as the baptism of my gg gfather Thomas Hillyard (b about 1803 Piddington, later moved to Harbury, Warwicks) couldn't be found in the Piddington registers, however, a nephew John Hillyard was living with Thomas's family in Warwickshire in 1861, so as he was a Hillyard, his father would have been a brother of Thomas. As a result I had to make sure I got the right John H and checked out every Hillyard family I could.
I found that John's father was Charles Hillyard, mother Mary, and Sandy kindly found Charles's baptism in 1800, parents Samuel & Rachel, so "my" Thomas must share the same folks! They also had daughters Sarah Ann in 1802 and Ann in 1806 and at least one other son William baptised in 1815.
I also found 2 other male Hillyards, Andrew and James, born around 1795 -1800 in the 1851 census. I was hoping one or other may have been off-spring of Samuel & Rachel, but as you found out they had different parents. Still if we were able to go further back I'm sure all these Hillyards would eventually share the same line somewhere!
You mention James Hillyard married Elizabeth Shrewsbury in 1817, then Lucy later (she appears in 1841) , but by 1851 James is a widower again, and I noticed a Jane Shrewsbury is shown as housekeeper, and then in 1861 as James's wife, so it looks like he married 3 times, and twice to a Shrewsbury !
best wishes
John
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Hi John
It was nice to hear from you and I hope you manage to make more progress with your Hillyard research.
I've been concentrating on my Hakes family from Piddington so far, but your query has prompted me to look at the Hillyards more closely. Next time I get to Northampton Record Office I will certainly be looking out for them, and the Shrewsburys too. I'm sure Jane and Elizabeth would have been relations of some sort but then the whole village seems to have been inter-related in those days!
It doesn't surprise me that you can't find your John Hillyard's baptism at Piddington. Quite a few people I hoped to find are "missing" and there don't seem to be any Bishop's Transcripts, which just might have helped to fill in any gaps. Maybe we will both be lucky and find them in another nearby parish one day!
Regards,
Diana
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Hi John and Diane,
My Great grandfather is William Hillyard and I believe his father was Thomas Hillyard of Piddington making Thomas my 2nd Great grandfather and Williams mother being Elizabeth Shaw of Harbury, Warwickshire. Thomas and Elizabeth married on 1st August 1854 and William had 11 siblings.
Having said all of this, there is a doubt.....William was born about October/November 1852, christened 1st November, William Shaw son of Elizabeth Shaw who married Thomas Hillyard. I am waiting for Williams birth certificate to arrive although I do not expect the father to be listed. I have a 4th cousin who also has this theory, he came about it completely seperately to me.
At present I have not visited Northampton to investigate Piddington records and I have been using the IGI register (as well as official BMD certificates) which is useful but something I treat with a degree of distrust as I have found some errors.
I would be interested in any family history of Thomas. I have detailed information of Williams descendants.
John
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Hi John thebargee2
It's nice to hear from you and I really hope that you will get some joy from William's birth certificate. So far I haven't looked much at the HILLYARD family of Piddington as I have been concentrating on the HAKES side as well as various other branches of my tree around the country. There are just never enough hours in the day.
I do intend to get back to Northampton Record Office eventually and will definitely be looking at the HILLYARDs then. I will be interested to hear how you get on in the meantime.
Best wishes,
Diana
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Hi John theBargee2,
I think you are on the right track, although only William's birth cert will prove it!.
I have William b about 1852/3 in Harbury, based on the 1861 census of Harbury. The parents are shown as Thomas Hillyard b Piddington about 1833 and Elizabeth b Harbury about 1832. According to IGI a Thomas Hillyard and Elizabeth Shaw married 1 August 1854 - although as you say there can be errors.
Anyway the Thomas Hillyard b about 1833, is a sister of "my" Jane Hillyard b about 1830 also in Piddington. Then later I have Jane age 20, and Thomas 18 still single with parents Thomas and Hannah in Harbury in the 1851 census.
I believe Hannah's maiden name was also Shaw, but I don't know what connection she might have with her daughter in law Elizabeth Shaw
good luck
John
as usual All Census info Crown Copyright
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Hi John and Diana,
Williams birth certificate shows he was born William Shaw on the 15th March 1852 to mother Eliza Shaw, resident of the Union Workhouse, Southam, Warwickshire. There is no father shown.
So the lineage is inconclusive.
However, it is my understanding that during those times (and many years after) when a boy got a girl pregnant he would be expected to marry her. Is this what Thomas did? I would like to think so! There is only one way to prove the lineage and that would be through DNA testing of myself and you John!!!
John, what details, if any do you of the descendents of Thomas and Eliza and what details do you have of Thomas's ancestors?
Regards
John
Latest news!!!!
Eliza was working for a farmer and his wife on a farm at Ryton On Dunsmore at the time of the 1851 census (March 1851) and apart from Eliza, the farmer and his wife the only other resident at that time was a William Seaton, 17 yrs old, Eliza was 19 yrs old. Theory - two teenagers a long way from home, working hard but lonely and decide to enjoy each others company. Eliza would probably have been sacked once her pregancy came to light, then possibly disowned by her parents hence she ends up in the Union Workhouse where William Shaw was born. Her son being named after the father??? Thomas Hillyard came along and took on Eliza and her son even though William was not his.
Well we shall never know for sure.
John if Thomas is your 2nd Great grandfather and Eliza is my 2nd great grandmother you and I are related. Are you on Genes Reunited?
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Have only just found this web site and so am a bit late in posting. My 3 greats grandparents were James Hillyard and Lucy Clark and I have never been able to get any further back than James. I was delighted to find his parents details. James' son George was my 2 greats grandfather and his daughter Maria was my great grandmother. She had my grandfather Charles George out of wedlock.
Hi John
I've extracted quite a lot of Hillyard info from the Piddington registers as my great great grandmother was Hannah Hillyard. Her parents were James Hillyard & Lucy Clark.
Andrew Hillyard was the natural son of Alice Hillyard. He was baptised at Piddington on 14th December 1794. Alice also had a son called William, who was baptised 15th September 1799.
James Hillyard was the son of Edward & Hannah Hillyard. He was baptised at Piddington on 13th August 1797. Edward & Hannah also had Susannah, baptised 17th February 1799.
In my notes I've written that James Hillyard married Lucy Clark at Piddington on 10th November 1818, but that info isn't in my extracts from the parish register! Either I missed it out or someone else gave me the information and I assumed Piddington, so sorry that's a bit unclear.
What I do have from the register is that James Hillyard married Elizabeth Shrewsbury 11th May 1817. I haven't "done" the burial registers yet, so can't say for certain that she was a previous wife who died, but he's the only James Hillyard I have.
Andrew Hillyard married Sophia Whitbread 18th November 1822.
I hope this helps and if you would like more of my extracts just let me know.
Diana
Amendment!
I have now found the marriage of James Hillyard to Lucy Clark at Piddington! It was one of 3 that were inserted at the end of the register and I had kept it in that order in my notes. Both were of the parish of Piddington and made their mark. The witnesses were George Clark and Susannah Clark.
Going back to the marriage of James Hillyard & Elizabeth Shrewsbury, they were otp too and made their mark. The witnesses were William Shrewsbury & Sarah Shrewsbury.
Regarding the marriage of Andrew Hillyard my notes say he signed the register and Sophia Whitbread made her mark. They were both otp. The witnesses were Benjamin Whitbread and Sarah Ann Hillyard.
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Hi Beembe48
How nice to find another relation!
I'm glad our postings were useful. RootsChat is a great site as everyone is so helpful.
I haven't had much time for my tree recently but live in hope of another visit to Northampton in the New Year. Hopefully I'll make some progress with the HILLYARD branch then.
Good luck with further research!
Diana
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Hi Diana Thanks for replying. It would be interesting if you know anything about Edward Hillyard's parents and also James's siblings. Thanks Brenda
Hi Beembe48
How nice to find another relation!
I'm glad our postings were useful. RootsChat is a great site as everyone is so helpful.
I haven't had much time for my tree recently but live in hope of another visit to Northampton in the New Year. Hopefully I'll make some progress with the HILLYARD branch then.
Good luck with further research!
Diana
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Hi Brenda
I don't have a lot on the HILLYARD family going backwards.
Edward HILLYARD married Hannah HARRIS at Piddington on 2nd July 1797. Both were of the parish and made their mark. The witnesses were John WESTLY & John HENMAN. I haven't identified Edward's parents or Hannah's.
James HILLYARD had a sister called Susannah who was baptised at Piddington on 17th February 1799. She married Abraham LIMAN by Banns at Piddington on 8th October 1821. Both made their mark. Abraham's parish was Hanslope in Buckinghamshire. The witnesses were James HILLYARD & Susannah SPENCER.
Hope this helps a bit. I have some info on James' children if you would like that.
Best wishes,
Diana
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Hi Diana yes please I would love any info you would care to share with me. Brenda
Hi Brenda
I don't have a lot on the HILLYARD family going backwards.
Edward HILLYARD married Hannah HARRIS at Piddington on 2nd July 1797. Both were of the parish and made their mark. The witnesses were John WESTLY & John HENMAN. I haven't identified Edward's parents or Hannah's.
James HILLYARD had a sister called Susannah who was baptised at Piddington on 17th February 1799. She married Abraham LIMAN by Banns at Piddington on 8th October 1821. Both made their mark. Abraham's parish was Hanslope in Buckinghamshire. The witnesses were James HILLYARD & Susannah SPENCER.
Hope this helps a bit. I have some info on James' children if you would like that.
Best wishes,
Diana
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Hi Brenda
James HILLYARD first married Elizabeth SHREWSBURY at Piddington on 11th May 1817. She was buried at Piddington on 3rd July 1817, age 28. Their only child was Elizabeth HILLYARD, baptised at Piddington on 3rd July 1817.
James HILLYARD next married Lucy CLARK at Piddington on 10th November 1818. In the 1841 census James gave his occupation as carrier. Lucy HILLYARD was buried at Piddington on 12th May 1844, age 52.
Children of James & Lucy:
Hannah HILLYARD, baptised at Piddington on 12th January 1819 and buried on 15th January 1819, 2 days old.
George HILLYARD, baptised at Piddington on 24th September 1820. Married Mary Ann WHITE at Piddington on 7th December 1843. He was 22 and a labourer. She was 23 and a lace maker. Witnesses William WHITE & Elizabeth HOWES.
Hannah HILLYARD (my 2 x great grandmother), baptised at Piddington on 13th July 1823. Married James HAKES at Piddington on 3rd September 1843. Both 20 years old. He was a labourer and she was a lace maker. Witnesses George HILLYARD & Mary Ann WHITE. Hannah & James HAKES had 8 children. She died on 5th March 1902. He died on 10th September 1895.
Joseph HILLYARD, baptised at Piddington on 18th October 1826 and buried there on 22nd October 1826, age 11 months.
Joseph HILLYARD, baptised at Piddington on 6th September 1829. In 1851 he was a cordwainer and a visitor at the home of Thomas & Eliza CLARK at Weston Favell. Married Hannah MOULDS in Q3 1851 - Northampton registration. In 1861 they were living at 16, Wellingborough Rd, Northampton with their son Charles, age 8 - baptised Weston Favell 3rd July 1853.
Susannah HILLYARD, baptised at Piddington on 5th August 1832. Died of cholera and was buried at Piddington on 8th October 1849, age 18.
After Lucy's death James lived with Jane SHREWSBURY for several years before finally marrying her in Q2 1853 - Northampton registration.
James HILLYARD was buried at Piddington on 19th October 1858, age 64.
Children of James & Jane:
Thomas Hillyard SHREWSBURY, baptised at Piddington on 7th June 1846 and buried on 22nd October 1849, age 4.
John Hillyard SHREWSBURY, baptised at Piddington on 27th May 1849.
Susannah SHREWSBURY, baptised at Piddington on 8th June 1851.
Thomas Henry SHREWSBURY, baptised at Piddington on 18th July 1852.
Mary Ann HILLYARD, birth registered at Hardingstone in Q2 1855. 6 years old in 1861 census, living with widowed mother.
Hope this helps.
Diana
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Hi Diana.
Thank you very much for the info, greatly appreciated.
Regards Brenda
Hi Brenda
James HILLYARD first married Elizabeth SHREWSBURY at Piddington on 11th May 1817. She was buried at Piddington on 3rd July 1817, age 28. Their only child was Elizabeth HILLYARD, baptised at Piddington on 3rd July 1817.
James HILLYARD next married Lucy CLARK at Piddington on 10th November 1818. In the 1841 census James gave his occupation as carrier. Lucy HILLYARD was buried at Piddington on 12th May 1844, age 52.
Children of James & Lucy:
Hannah HILLYARD, baptised at Piddington on 12th January 1819 and buried on 15th January 1819, 2 days old.
George HILLYARD, baptised at Piddington on 24th September 1820. Married Mary Ann WHITE at Piddington on 7th December 1843. He was 22 and a labourer. She was 23 and a lace maker. Witnesses William WHITE & Elizabeth HOWES.
Hannah HILLYARD (my 2 x great grandmother), baptised at Piddington on 13th July 1823. Married James HAKES at Piddington on 3rd September 1843. Both 20 years old. He was a labourer and she was a lace maker. Witnesses George HILLYARD & Mary Ann WHITE. Hannah & James HAKES had 8 children. She died on 5th March 1902. He died on 10th September 1895.
Joseph HILLYARD, baptised at Piddington on 18th October 1826 and buried there on 22nd October 1826, age 11 months.
Joseph HILLYARD, baptised at Piddington on 6th September 1829. In 1851 he was a cordwainer and a visitor at the home of Thomas & Eliza CLARK at Weston Favell. Married Hannah MOULDS in Q3 1851 - Northampton registration. In 1861 they were living at 16, Wellingborough Rd, Northampton with their son Charles, age 8 - baptised Weston Favell 3rd July 1853.
Susannah HILLYARD, baptised at Piddington on 5th August 1832. Died of cholera and was buried at Piddington on 8th October 1849, age 18.
After Lucy's death James lived with Jane SHREWSBURY for several years before finally marrying her in Q2 1853 - Northampton registration.
James HILLYARD was buried at Piddington on 19th October 1858, age 64.
Children of James & Jane:
Thomas Hillyard SHREWSBURY, baptised at Piddington on 7th June 1846 and buried on 22nd October 1849, age 4.
John Hillyard SHREWSBURY, baptised at Piddington on 27th May 1849.
Susannah SHREWSBURY, baptised at Piddington on 8th June 1851.
Thomas Henry SHREWSBURY, baptised at Piddington on 18th July 1852.
Mary Ann HILLYARD, birth registered at Hardingstone in Q2 1855. 6 years old in 1861 census, living with widowed mother.
Hope this helps.
Diana
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Hi Diana
Thank you very much for the info. Much appreciated.
Regards
Brenda
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Hi All,
Just found this thread!
I am researching the Hillyard family, my 4 x greatgrandfather was Andrew Hillyard.
I also have some of the Hakes family from Piddington, through marriage to my Whitbread family.
Would love to know more about Andrew, who his parents were, did he have any siblings etc.
Mary :)
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Have you got an approximate birth, marriage or death date for him?
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I have an estimated birth year of 1796 and I have found him on the 1851, 1861 & 1871 census. I've no death date for him.
He married Sophia Whitbread on 18 Nov 1822 at Piddington.
Mary :)
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Andrew Hillyard natural son of Alice was bapt 14 Dec 1794 in Piddington.
No father mentioned though.
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Thank you :)
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I have a marriage at Piddington, by Banns, for William HILLYARD otp to Mary SHREWSBURY otp on 31st December 1835. The witnesses were William SMITH and Ann CAMPION, who made her mark.
Andrew HILLYARD had a brother called William (see early post) but I can't be sure this is the same man as I haven't looked into the HILLYARD side of my tree properly yet.
Diana
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Have just found a burial for Alice HILLYARD at Piddington on 7th February 1810. No age given at this time.
Diana
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I have just found a death for Andrew Hillyard - 1874 at Hardingstone
Mary :)
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Thanks Diana :)
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Hello Mary - and others interested in the Hillyard family from Piddington!
I am a descendent from Andrew Hillyard/Sophia Whitbread as well through their daughter Alice who was born approx. 1838 immigrated to Canada in the 1860's. Last year, I came across a letter that was written by Sophia to Alice in 1865, I will gladly share it with you if you are interested in seeing it. One cool thing about it is that it refers to the death of US President Abraham Lincoln that had occured 2 weeks before the date stated on the letter.
Any information on Andrew Hillyard and Sophia Whitbread would be greatly appreciated!
Thanks,
Martin