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Title: PERRIN - missing from NZ
Post by: Mackiwi on Sunday 03 May 09 04:40 BST (UK)
Hoping to catch someone's eye.

Looking for John & Lettisia or Letitia Perrin married in NZ, possible crossed the ditch after 1912 as no deaths have been found here. They had a son George Edgar Perrin who  was born in NZ 1909 and would have been with them.
John's father passed away in 1913 and after loosing a son in 1912 they may have felt it was time to move on.

Also Richard Frederick Woodley Perrin sometimes known as Frank missing from 1917. First names may have been reversed as different documents have shown so far. He may have gone with or followed his father John for a new start.

Mackiwi
Title: Re: PERRIN - missing from NZ
Post by: sparrett on Sunday 03 May 09 08:56 BST (UK)
Hi Mackiwi,

This man is a possibility in  WA.
Here is his marriage.

PERRIN    GEORGE E.  @ PERTH reg.130    yr 1933    to SARGENT, MARY M .

Interrment at Karrakatta,

George Edgar PERRIN. 27/10/1957 aged 55 of Mt Lawley sect AA gve. 0347.

 Mary Magaret PERRIN. 1/8/1998 aged 98 of West Leederville. Location as above.

The age would seem to be a bit out with the DOB you have given.

Sue.

This on bdm NSW

16379/1924  PERRIN,  LETTE  46 YRS REDFERN  @   REDFERN

Bit of a longshot, but worth the mention ;D

Was LETTISIA ever called that for short?  Is the age about right?   
Title: Re: PERRIN - missing from NZ
Post by: regross on Sunday 03 May 09 09:15 BST (UK)
Hi Mackwicki,

Douyouknow who John's parents were and what his wife's maiden name was?

This may assist in looking at death indexes etc.

regards

Robyn
Title: Re: PERRIN - missing from NZ
Post by: kiwihalfpint on Sunday 03 May 09 09:30 BST (UK)

16379/1924  PERRIN,  LETTE  46 YRS REDFERN  @   REDFERN

Was LETTISIA ever called that for short?  Is the age about right?   

Don't know about Mackiwi's Lettisia, but my cousin was called Letitia and known as "Letty"

Cheers
KHP :)
Title: Re: PERRIN - missing from NZ
Post by: cando on Sunday 03 May 09 09:32 BST (UK)
Sue this appears to be their marriage in NZ
1905/6156

PIPER Lettisia Agnes          
PERRIN John

I was attempting to find the above John's father's name in the hope that there was a 2nd given name.

Deaths
1913/10288   
PERRIN John    86 years

Only infant death I can see in the period.
1910/8537   
PERRIN   William Walter    3D

I am bit puzzled about Richard Frederick Woodley PERRIN following his father John as i understood from your post that father John died in 1913.  Were Richard F W PERRIN and John brothers?  Richard  had his wife Amelia had a child in 1908.

1908/20701   
PERRIN   Violet Agnes Constance    
Mother Amelia Constance Lilian   Father Frederick Richard Woodley


Marriage
1879/12
PERRIN John
PEARCE Agnes   

Children to Agnes and John PERRIN

1879/17947   Perrin    Edith Elizabeth Ann    Agnes   John   -   
1881/14479   Perrin    William James John    Agnes   John      
1883/7773   Perrin    Richard Frederick Woodley    Agnes   John   
1885/15163   Perrin    Mabel Mary Maria    Agnes   John

Death
1913/9203   PERRIN   William James John    32 years

Could this possibly be the death of your John husband of Lettisia?

Cheers
Cando
Title: Re: PERRIN - missing from NZ
Post by: sparrett on Sunday 03 May 09 09:52 BST (UK)

Hi all,

I am bit puzzled about Richard Frederick Woodley PERRIN following his father John as i understood from your post that father John died in 1913. CANDO

The DOB's of the 2.....  Richard and George Edgar..... make it unlikely they were brothers.  I agree with you.

Uncle and nephew is a possiblility as yo suggest.

Sue
Title: Re: PERRIN - missing from NZ
Post by: Mackiwi on Sunday 03 May 09 22:39 BST (UK)
Greetings to all my helpers  :)

The marriage and internment for George Edgar & Mary Margaret certainly look promising. Worth following up I think.

John's Parents were John Perrin  & Elizabeth Herd from Maldon England John Snr remarried after Elizabeth's death.

John Jnr born 1854  Woolwich England married Agnes Preece in 1879 and had the 4 children found by Cando. Richard is a child of this first marrige.John Jnr & Agnes were divorced in 1904.
 
John remarried to Lettisia Piper in 1905. I found a posting yesterday that has Lettisia's parents as George Piper & Rachel nee Hurrell.

George Edgar is not appearing in the births available yet which if he was born in 1909 the birth may not show up until August, perhaps the age at time of death was an error!!! :-\

George Edgar's brother who died was Thomas Arthur Perrin was only 4 months old ans is buried in Christchurch. Died on the 2nd, buried on the 3rd Sep 1912.

So Richard Frederick Woodley Perrin is their half brother.

Sorry to say I don't know if Lettisia was ever called Letty but it was quite possible I guess amongst family & friends.

I hope I have sorted the confusion I caused and I do appreciate all your suggestions.

Mackiwi  :)
Title: Re: PERRIN - missing from NZ
Post by: cando on Sunday 03 May 09 22:59 BST (UK)
I was confused ;) ;D


On the 1925 WA electoral roll George Edgar PERRIN is living with a George and Mary Jane PERRIN at the same address in Perth.  The are a number of George PERRIN enlistments in WA from 1901. George Edgar is on the 1936 with a Margaret Mary. 

and his birth

PERRIN     George Edgar        
Father George   Mother THOMAS Mary Jane    
District Perth     Reg#4573     1903


There is a 1936 electoral enrolment for a George Edgar PERRIN, Labourer,  living in NSW with a Nora Kathleen, HD at Picnic Point Rd Bankstown.

His marriage
7063/1933     
PERRIN   George   
APRILOVIC  Nora    
District Glebe

Cheers
Cando
Title: Re: PERRIN - missing from NZ
Post by: cando on Sunday 03 May 09 23:04 BST (UK)
When browsing the marriages in NZ, I noticed a marriage for Frank's daughter born -

1908/20701   
PERRIN   Violet Agnes Constance   
Mother Amelia Constance Lilian   Father Frederick Richard Woodley

I think it was in 1928.  Wonder if he signed as a witness. 

Cheers
Cando
Title: Re: PERRIN - missing from NZ
Post by: sparrett on Sunday 03 May 09 23:25 BST (UK)
Hi All

His marriage
7063/1933     
PERRIN   George   
APRILOVIC  Nora     
District Glebe
  CANDO

This looks like Nora dying in NSW

13979/1949  PERRIN,  NORA TERESA father  JOHN. mother  MARGARET  DENNILIQUIN

ADDING
I can see that she is interred at Deniliqin General Cemetery, together with a good many other PERRIN's, none of whom has the name GEORGE EDGAR.

S.

Sue
Title: Re: PERRIN - missing from NZ
Post by: sparrett on Sunday 03 May 09 23:37 BST (UK)
Hi
Am noting a difference in the second given name for Nora on the information above.

Electoral roll has KATHLEEN

Marriage has nothing.

Death and burial have TERESA.

Sue
Title: Re: PERRIN - missing from NZ
Post by: sparrett on Sunday 03 May 09 23:52 BST (UK)
MMmmmm...

Looks like something went wrong with the Perrin/ Aprilovic marriage.

Here is NORA's death from the Ryerson.

APRILOVIC, Nora Kathleen. Death notice placed  02AUG1975 aged 89  at Revesby, late of Panania in the  Sydney Morning Herald .

So she died as Aprilovic and NORA TERESA is another Nora PERRIN.

Also on the Ryerson,
PERRIN George Edgar Death notice place 10AUG1991 aged 81  late of Canterbury  in theSydney Morning Herald 13AUG1991

Does have an age at death to fit date of birth given by Mackiwi
Title: Re: PERRIN - missing from NZ
Post by: Mackiwi on Sunday 03 May 09 23:59 BST (UK)
Violet Agnes Constance was my aunt so you have that one correct :)

 :( Looks like I must eliminate the previous George Edgar

Onwards and upwards to Glebe perhaps

Mackiwi  :)

P.S.
O dear Sue, another oops, seems divorce was more common than I ever thought.
Did these people never think that we might be interested in them one day.
Title: Re: PERRIN - missing from NZ
Post by: cando on Monday 04 May 09 00:18 BST (UK)
Perhaps John's death

http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/familyHistory/search.htm
22385/1919     
PERRIN      JOHN     
Father John    Mother Elizabeth   
District Newtown

This death in 1919 may be the reason for lack of information on ? Lettisia's death in 1924.

You can purchase transcriptions of certificates in NSW from a transcription agent - cheaper and quicker. Results are emailed.
http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/familyHistory/howToSearch.htm#TranscriptionAgent

There is a lookup service on
http://www.ryersonindex.org/
to request copies of death notices.  Copies are emailed to you.

Cheers
Cando
Title: Re: PERRIN - missing from NZ
Post by: cando on Monday 04 May 09 00:26 BST (UK)
Thomas Arthur Perrin was only 4 months old ans is buried in Christchurch. Died on the 2nd, buried on the 3rd Sep 1912. Mackiwi

Not doubting you but am unable to find this entry on the NZ online death index.

Cando

Title: Re: PERRIN - missing from NZ
Post by: cando on Monday 04 May 09 00:42 BST (UK)
Sue I notice that according to the ages of Nora and George at death, she appears to be 26 years old than George.  Is there a possibility that this may be Nora's mother :-\

Australian Electoral Roll
1936 NSW
APRILOVIC Nora Kathleen  3 Wortley Street Balmain HD

Burial record
http://www.catholiccemeteries.org.au/
APRILOVIC Nora Kathleen   
89 YEARS    6 Aug 1975   
LWN*4***1493   Burial   
Rookwood

Cheers
Cando
Title: Re: PERRIN - missing from NZ
Post by: cando on Monday 04 May 09 00:58 BST (UK)
Violet Agnes Constance was my aunt so you have that one correct

Does her father feature on her marriage cert as she may have been a minor at time of marriage?

Cando
Title: Re: PERRIN - missing from NZ
Post by: sparrett on Monday 04 May 09 01:15 BST (UK)
Hi All

Sue I notice that according to the ages of Nora and George at death, she appears to be 26 years old than George.  Is there a possibility that this may be Nora's mother   CANDO

Yes, I do think so too.

on the ww2 enlistment for one of the probable brothers of NORAH Aprilovic,

Paul b. 1918
the next of kin is N. Aprilovic. 


And there is this death in NSW
14887/1976  APRILOVIC,  PAUL father  MARK  MARCO mother  KATHLEEN NORA   

This was in 1941 which is well after the marriage of the other NORA.  so perhaps this is the mother.

Sue

Title: Re: PERRIN - missing from NZ
Post by: cando on Monday 04 May 09 01:20 BST (UK)
Paul is buried in the same Lawn Section at Rookwood Catholic as Nora Kathleen APRILOVIC.  John Luke APRILOVIC has Marko as NOK...Marko is also buried at Rookwood Catholic.

Cando
Title: Re: PERRIN - missing from NZ
Post by: sparrett on Monday 04 May 09 01:22 BST (UK)
Annoying when they switch around the order of their given names so freely. ;D ;D

s.
Title: Re: PERRIN - missing from NZ
Post by: cando on Monday 04 May 09 01:26 BST (UK)
And the marriage

103/1913     
APRILOVIC  Marko
DOYLE  Nora K     
District SYDNEY

another interesting one for ??

12737/1945     
BALL   Warren Henry George      
APRILOVIC  Nora Kathleen

Cando
Title: Re: PERRIN - missing from NZ
Post by: Mackiwi on Monday 04 May 09 01:27 BST (UK)
That's okay it pays to check and double check I really don't mind.

First I was given the information from a relative, then I did a cemetery seach for Christchurch.

I have found several people missing from the NZ BDM historical Index. Newspapers reported deaths and the areas, also births missing.

Had a look at Ryerson Index and have found a John Perrin that matches the 1919 death.late of Enmore

a George Edgar Perrin 1991 late of Canterbury

and a Fred Perrin which is what Granny always referred to him as in her memoirs.late of Concord West
Fred is on my Mums marriage cert as Frederick Richard   Perrin ( Labourer)
Army records have occupation as Fisherman

Thought they might all be worth further investigation
Title: Re: PERRIN - missing from NZ
Post by: sparrett on Monday 04 May 09 01:30 BST (UK)
The National Archives website holds a digitised copy of the Naturalisation papers for Marko Aprilovic dated 1913.

Among other interesting information , he reveals he is a naturalised subject of New Zealand originally for Austria.!

Sue
Title: Re: PERRIN - missing from NZ
Post by: cando on Monday 04 May 09 01:34 BST (UK)
Had a look at Ryerson Index and have found a John Perrin that matches the 1919 death.late of Enmore

This notice appears to be for a death in 1929
PERRIN   John   Death notice   15DEC1929   Death       late of Enmore   Sydney Morning Herald   21DEC1929

and probable death reg - there are three in 1929 but the other two are country NSW
22368/1929     
PERRIN      John
Father Joseph F  Mother Elizabeth
District  Newtown



Cando   
Title: Re: PERRIN - missing from NZ
Post by: sparrett on Monday 04 May 09 01:37 BST (UK)
Had a look at Ryerson Index and have found...

a George Edgar Perrin 1991 late of Canterbury
MACKIWI

Also on the Ryerson,
PERRIN George Edgar Death notice place 10AUG1991 aged 81  late of Canterbury  in theSydney Morning Herald 13AUG1991

Does have an age at death to fit date of birth given by Mackiwi
 

SUE reply #11

Checked out ;D

Sue
Title: Re: PERRIN - missing from NZ
Post by: cando on Monday 04 May 09 01:40 BST (UK)
Birth of your Fred

1883/7773   PERRIN    Richard Frederick Woodley    Agnes   John   

Ryerson Index
PERRIN   Fred   Death notice   17MAY1983   Death   88    late of Concord West   Sydney Morning Herald   21MAY1983

This Fred was born 1895.

Cando

   
Title: Re: PERRIN - missing from NZ
Post by: Mackiwi on Monday 04 May 09 01:46 BST (UK)
Looking good,

Sorry I messed up the PR's Sue.

I looked at the Transcription agents mentioned. What do you suggest I ask for to get the information I need.

Re reply on Fred's death notice, if all else fails I am desperate enough to give it a try. However not just yet.

PS Love the way you are all buzzing with suggestions this morning.
Title: Re: PERRIN - missing from NZ
Post by: sparrett on Monday 04 May 09 01:49 BST (UK)
Hi Mackiwi.
The agents listed on the website all give reliable and satisfactory service.
Choose one who offers the kind of payment style and return of information medium that suits you.

Sue
Title: Re: PERRIN - missing from NZ
Post by: cando on Monday 04 May 09 01:53 BST (UK)
Looking good,

Sorry I messed up the PR's Sue.

I looked at the Transcription agents mentioned. What do you suggest I ask for to get the information I need.

Re reply on Fred's death notice, if all else fails I am desperate enough to give it a try. However not just yet.

PS Love the way you are all buzzing with suggestions this morning.

You can only purchase transcriptions for deaths to 1978 and marriages to 1958.  The full transcription is abt $17.

If funds allow I would purchase transcriptions for both John and Lette's death.  You have the entries from the online index with the registration numbers...all detailed on the thread.

I would very much doubt that is your Fred...the age is way out.  If you wish to get the death notice I did mention in a previous post there is a lookup facility on the Ryerson website.  Follow the instructions and when the volunteers have located it, it will be emailed to you.

Just my two bob's worth....

Cheers
Cando

Title: Re: PERRIN - missing from NZ
Post by: sparrett on Monday 04 May 09 01:59 BST (UK)
Hi,

Noting..

A Joseph and Elizabeth Perrin were producing a number of Childen in NSW between 1853 and 1871.

I do not see  a John listed among them which is a positive sign, meaning hopfully, he is not one of thiers, but the one you are seeking.

Sue
Title: Re: PERRIN - missing from NZ
Post by: cando on Monday 04 May 09 02:04 BST (UK)
I was also wondering about this death in reply#13 as the given names of the parents are correct.

22385/1919     
PERRIN    John 
Father John    Mother Elizabeth   
District Newtown

Can't locate a burial as yet.

Cheers
Cando
Title: Re: PERRIN - missing from NZ
Post by: Mackiwi on Monday 04 May 09 02:30 BST (UK)
Yes seriously think it could be him.

Ryerson can't help with John but accepted lookups for George Edgar and one for Fred although I doubt it is him.
Title: Re: PERRIN - missing from NZ
Post by: cando on Monday 04 May 09 02:38 BST (UK)

I have found several people missing from the NZ BDM historical Index. Newspapers reported deaths and the areas, also births missing. Mackiwi

I wonder if this should be brought to the attention of the NZ BDM Registrar.  Surely they can identify periods and districts that have 'gaps' in their data.

If both parents were deceased by 1924, I wonder who cared for their children?

Cando
Title: Re: PERRIN - missing from NZ
Post by: cando on Monday 04 May 09 02:51 BST (UK)
And the marriage

103/1913     
APRILOVIC  Marko
DOYLE  Nora K     
District SYDNEY

another interesting one for ??

12737/1945     
BALL   Warren Henry George      
APRILOVIC  Nora Kathleen

Cando

The 2nd marriage produced a child who died so this would appear to be a 2nd marriage for Nora Kathleen PERRIN nee APRILOVIC, and she has married using her maiden name.

Death
25294/1949     
BALL  Graeme Warren
Father Warren Henry G  Mother Nora Kathleen   
At Petersham 

Cando
Title: Re: PERRIN - missing from NZ
Post by: Mackiwi on Monday 04 May 09 03:02 BST (UK)
[

If both parents were deceased by 1924, I wonder who cared for their children?

Cando
Quote

Perhaps  their halfbrother Fred was there   :-\
Mackiwi

Title: Re: PERRIN - missing from NZ
Post by: sparrett on Monday 04 May 09 03:30 BST (UK)
The 2nd marriage produced a child who died so this would appear to be a 2nd marriage for Nora Kathleen PERRIN nee APRILOVIC, and she has married using her maiden name. CANDO

12737/1945  BALL,  WARREN HENRY GEORGE to   PERRIN,  NORA KATHLEEN @  SYDNEY 


Registered under both, so... Yes

Sue
Title: Re: PERRIN - missing from NZ
Post by: sparrett on Monday 04 May 09 03:48 BST (UK)
HI,

Warren Ball has  a service record for ww2 and QUEENIE is his NOK


Can't find Queenie's death, but included here are deaths for some of their children and Warren's 2 with Nora


DEATHS
 
2095/1968  BALL,  DAVID WARREN  father WARREN mother MAREE  @SYDNEY
     
3870/1953  BALL,  QUEENIE ELSIE C father WARREN mother  QUEENIE EDITH  @ASHFIELD 
 
24637/1946  BALL,  PHILLIP GRAHAM father  WARREN mother NORAH KATHLEEN @ ASHFIELD
   
25294/1949  BALL,  GRAEME WARREN father WARREN HENRY G mother NORA KATHLEEN@  PETERSHAM
     
1918/1978  BALL,  AUBREY GEORGE father   WARREN mother  QUEEN

Sue

The service history is for the son of the Warren who married Nora i think.   ;D

We are dealing with father and son listings here.

I need to get off here and go for a walk!!
Title: Re: PERRIN - missing from NZ
Post by: Mackiwi on Monday 04 May 09 04:46 BST (UK)
Going for a walk was a great idea, done that also sent for Death of John Perrin 1919
Title: Re: PERRIN - missing from NZ
Post by: Mackiwi on Wednesday 06 May 09 05:24 BST (UK)

 
 

 
 
Death
1913/9203   PERRIN   William James John    32 years

Could this possibly be the death of your John husband of Lettisia?

Cheers
Cando

This is Fred's brother who died in a house fire. Missed the query on Monday as there was so much to digest.
Title: Re: PERRIN - missing from NZ
Post by: Mackiwi on Wednesday 13 May 09 02:54 BST (UK)
Just an update,
have received newspaper item from Ryerson re George Edgar Perrin
Wife was Nancy a son John deceased and a daughter Fay. Have not been able to locate his marriage or the birth of their children.

Hoping that the death transcription for John arrives soon, the suspence !!!!!!   :)

Mackiwi
Title: Re: PERRIN - missing from NZ
Post by: sparrett on Wednesday 13 May 09 03:51 BST (UK)
Hi,
NSW BDM shows two marriages  for women FAY Perrin.

Sue

Title: Re: PERRIN - missing from NZ
Post by: Mackiwi on Friday 22 May 09 23:45 BST (UK)
Thank you Sue I will check it out.
Meanwhile the good news is Death registration for John Perrin has come through and it is my Great grandfather. :) :)
Now I will request the one for Lette as her name on John's is Letty.

Mackiwi
Title: Re: PERRIN - missing from NZ
Post by: sparrett on Saturday 23 May 09 00:54 BST (UK)
Hi Mackiwi,
That is very good news for you.
I feel quite hopeful about Lette too.
Do keep us informed. ;D

Sue
Title: Re: PERRIN - missing from NZ
Post by: cando on Saturday 23 May 09 01:04 BST (UK)
Just an update,
have received newspaper item from Ryerson re George Edgar Perrin
Wife was Nancy a son John deceased and a daughter Fay. Have not been able to locate his marriage or the birth of their children.

Hoping that the death transcription for John arrives soon, the suspence !!!!!!   :)

Mackiwi

Another request to the Ryerson volunteers!

PERRIN   Nancy   
Funeral notice   25 Aug 2007   
Death   71 years    late of Cambooya   
Toowoomba Chronicle   29 Aug 2007

Cando   

Title: Re: PERRIN - missing from NZ
Post by: Mackiwi on Saturday 23 May 09 02:03 BST (UK)

Cando
Waiting now for a reply from Ryerson, before following up on PM

Mackiwi  :)
Title: Re: PERRIN - missing from NZ
Post by: cando on Saturday 23 May 09 05:30 BST (UK)
If contributors are wondering about the reference by Mackiwi to a pm.  I think I may have found a descendant and forwarded by pm the contact details.

Cheers
Cando
Title: Re: PERRIN - missing from NZ
Post by: little meg on Thursday 28 May 09 10:12 BST (UK)


13979/1949  PERRIN,  NORA TERESA father  JOHN. mother  MARGARET  DENNILIQUIN

ADDING
I can see that she is interred at Deniliqin General Cemetery, together with a good many other PERRIN's, none of whom has the name GEORGE EDGAR.

S.
Sue

I know this part has been sorted, I am a bit slow in catching up  ::)
But the Perrin's in Deniliquin link to my Simpson line.   I have a few details on this Perrin family.
The above Norah is Norah Teresa Keogh who married Alfred Ernest Perrin in 1887.   Alfred Ernest Perrin was born in 1866, his parents were Mark Perrin and Marrianne Jones. 
It appears this Perrin line may originally be from Gloucestershire UK.

If you need anything on this line just send me a pm.

Margaret
Title: Re: PERRIN - missing from NZ
Post by: Mackiwi on Saturday 13 June 09 03:05 BST (UK)
Update,

From Ryerson Nancy Perrin not mine, wrong husband. :(

The good news Lette Perrin transcription just came through as is the wife of my John Perrin  :) :)

Still missing is grandfather Richard Frederick Woodley Perrin first names not necessarily in that order also known as Frank & Fred.

Mackiwi
Title: Re: PERRIN - missing from NZ
Post by: wotton28 on Friday 17 July 09 12:20 BST (UK)
Hi Mackiwi, I have just come across your posts re John Perrin and would be interested in exchanging information - currently working on the family line descended from Mabel Mary Maria Perrin (b. 1885) who married:

1) Thomas John Allan (Wellington 1903)
2) Herbert Walter Jones (Sydney 1921)
 
Mabel died in Sydney in 1952.

 Steve (Sydney)
Title: Re: PERRIN - missing from NZ
Post by: Mackiwi on Friday 17 July 09 22:53 BST (UK)
Hi Steve, Welcome to the tree. :) As you have probably worked out I descend from Mabel's brother Frederick, how can I help?

I have traced the Perrins back to William Perrin & Frances Woodley in Marldon, Kent, 1827 at the time of John W Perrins birth.

I wondered why I hadn't been able to find a death for Mabel, a second marriage and a new country explains it. I look forward to exchanging info with you.

Title: Re: PERRIN - missing from NZ
Post by: KerriLynne on Saturday 25 July 09 06:53 BST (UK)
Hi
New at this game,  first time on forum..hope I do not break any protocols.. noticed you have looked up naturalisation for Aprilovic Marko is this online by any chance if not, how would I gain the info...live in sunny Qld
By the way there was mother and daughter, Kathleen Nora Doyle and Nora Kathleen Aprilovic, mother used the name Nora Kathleen also ... yes I know
cheers
Kes
Title: Re: PERRIN - missing from NZ
Post by: sparrett on Saturday 25 July 09 07:01 BST (UK)
Hello Kes
http://naa12.naa.gov.au/scripts/ResearcherScreen.asp
Yes, the document is online.
From this link you will just need to put in the name Aprilovic and nothing else.
Search>display records.
The first name is misspelt MARCO.
Click view digitised image.
Use the arrows at the top of the images to Turn the pages.
Sue
Title: Re: PERRIN - missing from NZ
Post by: KerriLynne on Saturday 25 July 09 07:55 BST (UK)
Thanks Sparrett, great tool.
Kes
Title: Re: PERRIN - missing from NZ
Post by: lync on Saturday 04 February 12 08:21 GMT (UK)
Hi Steve - not sure if we have conversed before. My grandfather was Herbert Walter Jones' brother. Would love to know more about Mabel and her son.
regards Lyn
Title: Re: PERRIN - missing from NZ
Post by: Andrew Morison on Friday 19 June 15 10:58 BST (UK)
does anyone have any information on a Mary Ann(e) Perrin (nee Morison) born around 1870 who married a Stephen Perrin in Wellington New Zealand???
Title: Re: PERRIN - missing from NZ
Post by: rosball on Friday 19 June 15 12:59 BST (UK)
Hi Andrew,
   I think this is  their marriage announcement in 1895

http://www.rootschat.com/links/01fi6/

  It says that Mary Ann Morison (Cissie) is the only daughter of Henry Morison , of Cambridge Terrace, Wellington.

regards
  Ros
Title: Re: PERRIN - missing from NZ
Post by: Lucy2 on Friday 19 June 15 23:57 BST (UK)
Hi Andrew

Burials in MORISON plot at Karori Cemetery, Wellington, NewZealand.  [Photo of headstone included].

Karori Cemetery - Plot -- PUBLIC 3 D

Mary Ann PERRIN - 83 years - burial on 15/2/1954
Stephen PERRIN - 67 years - Insurance Agent - burial on 9/4/1940

Mary Ann MORISON - 59 years - buried 29/4/1894
Henry MORISON - 78 years - Carpenter - buried 15/11/1914

http://wellington.govt.nz/services/community-and-culture/cemeteries/cemeteries-search

  ~   Lu

Edit:  oops ... I see someone has recently already given you the Wellington cemetery information in connection with an earlier enquiry re: Henry MORISON on the New Zealand board.  ;)

Title: Re: PERRIN - missing from NZ
Post by: Andrew Morison on Monday 22 June 15 06:16 BST (UK)
Thank you very much for that!   Yes the more information the merrier!     Mary Ann Garnoch? (Cissie) Morison was the sister of my Great Grandfather Henry Alexander Morison, only daughter of Henry and Mary Ann Morison (Prev Berry) (Prev King)  I am trying to locate a bit more information on this side of the family, ie Perrin descendents, photos etc etc etc    I am told she had possibly 2 sons, Stephen and Ivan???   Stay tuned for more details.

Title: Re: PERRIN - missing from NZ
Post by: Andrew Morison on Wednesday 19 August 15 21:04 BST (UK)
I have now found that Mary Anne Garnock Perrin and Stephen Perrin had 4 sons, Stephen, Henry Charles and Ivan Perrin.  One son Stephen Perrin is buried in the RSA section of the Bromley Cemetery Christchurch, and I am seeking information from anyone who can fill me in on more family information, possibly descendents, photos etc etc
Title: Re: PERRIN - missing from NZ
Post by: cupoflife on Thursday 20 August 15 03:54 BST (UK)
NZ births:
1897/9785 Perrin, Stephen Henry Charles; Mother-Mary Ann Garnock; Father-Stephen
1907/25112 Perrin Desmond Ivan; Mother- Mary Ann Garnet; Father-Stephen
NZ Marriages:
1918/2523 Florence Elsie Fitzwilliam and Stephen Henry Charles Perrin
1929/7572 Thyra Gwynneth Williams and Desmond Ivan Perrin

Sydney Henry Charles Perrin:
Maintenance Case 1933 http://www.rootschat.com/links/01fxv/
Separation 1935 http://www.rootschat.com/links/01fxu/
1935 Perrin, Stephen Henry Charles v Perrin, Florence Elsie [marriage certificate] Christchurch High Court    http://www.archway.archives.govt.nz/SimpleSearchResults.do
http://www.aucklandmuseum.com/war-memorial/online-cenotaph/record/C94777
http://ndhadeliver.natlib.govt.nz/delivery/DeliveryManagerServlet?dps_pid=IE19959994
NZ Death: 1947/19294 Perrin, Stephen Henry Charles age 47Y
Coroners inquests - Case files - Canterbury - Perrin, Stephen Henry Charles 1947 http://www.archway.archives.govt.nz/SimpleSearchResults.do

Desmond Ivan Perrin:
Immigration (Ship Mariposa): Thyra Perrin 27 Feb 1933 age 23; Departure Port Auckland; Arrival Port Sydney https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QJDN-29FK
Articles about Ivan Perrin
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01fxt/
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/122800374
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/169598204
DIED 1975 in Melbourne, Australia at 68 years old. http://www.ancientfaces.com/person/desmond-ivan-perrin/146129374
Title: Re: PERRIN - missing from NZ
Post by: Andrew Morison on Monday 24 August 15 02:31 BST (UK)
wow, thanks very much for all that!  I had looked on the papers past website previously but thank you so much, these people are my distant relations and I'm trying to find any living descendents,


thanks

Andrew
Title: Re: PERRIN - missing from NZ
Post by: Andrew Morison on Wednesday 26 August 15 03:58 BST (UK)
Hi, me again!

I've looked on papers past and NZ births deaths and marriages but can't find any more info on the sons of Stephen Henry Charles Perrin and Florence Elsie Perrin.  I have a son born around 10/1/1923 and another son 17/9/1918.  Can anyone help pleeeeease

Thanks
Title: Re: PERRIN - missing from NZ
Post by: majm on Wednesday 26 August 15 04:20 BST (UK)
..... and I'm trying to find any living descendents,

Hi there,

Well, as gently as possible, RChat is not the about searching for living people.   But there's some good advice re such searchings from one of our former Global moderators on the following live link.

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=368728.0  See Reply # 2 which starts out :

" RootsChat - Our Policy on Living Persons.

Here on RootsChat we are very concerned that the privacy and security of the living is protected. For this reason we do not allow searches for living persons. Although we fully understand you would like recent information to add to your tree, or that you may wish to make contact with birth families, relatives you lost contact with when they immigrated to Australia, missing family or friends, we are afraid we are unable to assist you.

We are very sorry for the inconvenience this causes you but we are sure you will appreciate the reasons for this.

Please See:- http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,142443.0.html

We do have a few suggestions which may help:-  "


Cheers,  JM
Title: Re: PERRIN - missing from NZ
Post by: Andrew Morison on Wednesday 26 August 15 04:35 BST (UK)
Ok, cool, thanks for that. 
Title: Re: PERRIN - missing from NZ
Post by: lmsb on Wednesday 30 December 15 05:11 GMT (UK)
When browsing the marriages in NZ, I noticed a marriage for Frank's daughter born -

1908/20701   
PERRIN   Violet Agnes Constance   
Mother Amelia Constance Lilian   Father Frederick Richard Woodley

I think it was in 1928.  Wonder if he signed as a witness. 

Cheers
Cando

Frederick and Amelia divorced in 1922 and she remarried Charles Ernest Goodlad in 1928.
Title: Re: PERRIN - missing from NZ
Post by: Mackiwi on Saturday 06 August 16 02:50 BST (UK)
Violet was my Aunt, can we help one another?

Mackiwi  :)
Title: Re: PERRIN - missing from NZ
Post by: Gwila on Thursday 09 February 17 09:12 GMT (UK)
Found this snippet about John and Elizabeth Perrin of Kaiapoi, however from your posts you say John and Agnes Perrin so perhaps this is James and Elizabeth.

STAR, ISSUE 7149, 13 JULY 1901. SUDDEN DEATH.

Mrs Perrin, wife of Mr John Perrin and an old identity of Kaiapoi, died suddenly at about nine o'clock yesterday evening. She had eaten a hearty mead at tea-time. An inquest is being held this afternoon. The deceased had been a resident of Kaiapoi for over forty years, and was much respected by, every one. For some years she conducted a nursing home on her own account, and many serious cases have passed through her hands. Her husband', Mr John Perrin, is an old Crimean veteran, and was presented to his Royal Highness the Duke of Cornwall and York at the Hagley Park review on June. 24;

Also another John of Kaiapoi:  PERRIN.— STAR, ISSUE 10843, 9 AUGUST 1913. August 9, at Ranfurly Street, Kaiapoi, John, dearly beloved husband of Sarah Ann Perrin; aged eighty-six years".
Title: Re: PERRIN - missing from NZ
Post by: Mackiwi on Thursday 09 February 17 19:25 GMT (UK)
Hi, John Perrin was my Great Great grandfather, after his wife Elizabeth passed away he remarried. so both of those are correct  and I had found them.
The missing Frederick Richard Woodley Perrin also known as Frank, was Johns Grandson to John jnr
Fred as he was often called was my Grandfather. It is not known what happened to him after about 1924. He may have gone to Australia to his father who had moved there with his second wife.

James Perrin  was his brother married to an Elizabeth also.

Thank you for passing on the information, it could have been something I had missed.

Title: Re: PERRIN - missing from NZ
Post by: Mackiwi on Wednesday 15 August 18 00:06 BST (UK)
We have finally found what happened to Richard Frederick Woodley Perrin :)

Now trying to find out what his sisters died of, Mabel Mary Maria Jones nee Perrin and Edith Elizabeth Ann Creevey (might have been a second marrige)

Mackiwi