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Hi There,
Can anybody please advise:
In tracing my family history I have come up with references to the 'Cheshire Regiment of Fencinle Infantry. 1795 to 1798.
The person I am interested in was George Audley who was a Lieutenant/ Captain Lieutenant/ Ensign.
Can any body advise where I might find muster books of the cheshire Fencibles in the period 1795 to 1798.
Regards
Brian
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Hi Brian,
I don't know about finding any muster books but have you tried Google Books to learn about The Cheshire Regiment of Fencible Infantry there seems to be books about them when I looked for you.
regards
Cathy
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Hi Cathy,
Thanks for the information. I have had a quick look at Google Books having read your message and will go and have another look in more detail. I am particularily interested in a particular individual in that regiment and therefore would like to identify the location of the Muster Books etc, if they still exist.
Thanks for your help.
Regards
Brian
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Hi Brian
They are not listed in Gibson & Medlycott, which lists all surviving militia records. As they came under the Lord Lt of Cheshire there are lots more records on the Cheshire militias in Cheshire Record Office than in Kew. They also might have access to local newspapers of the time.
I could not find anything on him in the London Gazette either, although there are 10-12 entries for other officers in the Loyal Cheshire Regiment of Fencible Infantry.
Ken
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Hi Ken,
Thanks for your comments
1. I have e-mailed Cheshire Record office at Chester and the comment I got was " I have checked our Catelogue and indexes but found no references to the Cheshire Fencibles." At the moment I am not sure what is the appropriate title to get Cheshire Record office to search for. The references I have (from the London Gazette are:
1795; Cheshire Regiment of Fencible Infantry
1789; Loyal Cheshire Fencible Infantry
1799; Cheshire Fencibles.
You say that there are "lots more records on the Cheshire militias in Cheshire Record Office than in Kew". I would appear to be asking the wrong question of Cheshire Record Office. What would you advise is the best way of looking for the records of the Cheshire Militias in the Cheshire record office?
2. You say you have not found any references to George Audley in the London Gazette. I manages to find 3 references to him as follows:
London Gazette Issue 13812 published 8th September 1795 page 4 of 20
London Gazette issue 15003 published 31st March 1789 page 2 of 8
London Gazette Issue 15197 published 22nd October 1799 page 9 of 16
I found him by searching the London Gazette website for the phrase "George Audley"
3.
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Hi Ken,
Thanks for your comments
1. I have e-mailed Cheshire Record office at Chester and the comment I got was " I have checked our Catelogue and indexes but found no references to the Cheshire Fencibles." At the moment I am not sure what is the appropriate title to get Cheshire Record office to search for. The references I have (from the London Gazette are:
1795; Cheshire Regiment of Fencible Infantry
1789; Loyal Cheshire Fencible Infantry
1799; Cheshire Fencibles.
You say that there are "lots more records on the Cheshire militias in Cheshire Record Office than in Kew". I would appear to be asking the wrong question of Cheshire Record Office. What would you advise is the best way of looking for the records of the Cheshire Militias in the Cheshire record office?
2. You say you have not found any references to George Audley in the London Gazette. I manages to find 3 references to him as follows:
London Gazette Issue 13812 published 8th September 1795 page 4 of 20
London Gazette issue 15003 published 31st March 1798 page 2 of 8
London Gazette Issue 15197 published 22nd October 1799 page 9 of 16
I found him by searching the London Gazette website for the phrase "George Audley"
3. By 1804 he had moved on to the the Royal Newfoundland Fencibles. As I was not aware up to now of 'Gibson & Medlycott' can you advice if it mentions the 'Royal Newfoundland Fencibles'.
4. I would appreciate your comment on the London Gazette entry of 1798 (reference above); It refers to the Audley surname twice; what I am struggling to understand is whether it is two references to the same person or references to two people with the Audley surname.
Regards
Brian
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According to the LG they were the Loyal Cheshire Regiment of Fencible Infantry. NB...the 1st Cheshire Militia were a different outfit.
You need to buy G & M – it only costs £4.50. It gives the references used by CRO. But I do not see the point of going to the CRO if they have nothing on your militia. It is only for British records so there is nothing on Newfoundland.
I searched for ‘cheshire + george + audley’ so the Cheshire has not been read by the OCR on those four pages.
The double Audley entry in 1798 is obvious once you know that vice means ‘replacing’. So he replaced Davies, and Martyn replaced him as Lt. What is missing – probably due to poor OCR – is him resigning or joining the Newfoundland Fencibles. The 1804 one is interesting – it records two different Audleys. One Lt Audley resigning, and George Audley, Gent, becoming an Ensign. The latter is reported deceased in 1807 – found by searching on ‘newfoundland’.
You also need to explain why a Captain crossed the Atlantic to become an Ensign again. Unless you know that he had a Canadian connection you should treat these as different people.
Ken
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Hi Ken,
Thanks for your response.
Any chance in you can give me the full title of the G & M book. I have a number of military references I need to follow upThey include references to:
14th Lancashire Rifle Volunteers (1860-1861)
5th Lancashire Rifle Volunteer Corps (1862 - 1869)
Royal Liverpool Regiment Volunteers (1790 to 1810)
I also hve someone who became an out -pension of Chelsea & Greenwich Hospital (Hull Didtrict) on 15th April 1820 and was described as a Driver. I assume at the moment that means a Royal Artillery Driver.
So buying the book could be useful on a number of lines of research.
I also have the 1804 & 1807 entries.
I am researching the Audley surname based upon a lot of work that was done in the 1930s.
The information I have on the George (Pennlington) Audley, the one that died in 1807 and was of the Royal Newfoundland Fencibles is taken from Chapter 14 of Audley Pedigrees. The Chapter is about an Audley Family in Cheshire and states:
George Pennlington Audley;Ensign Royal Newfoundland Regt of Fencible Infantry; bapt 28 June 1776 at Nantwich (Cheshire England); died 25th May 1806, aged 29; burd at Fort Ann, Annapolis, Nova Scotia; monument erected by brother officers. Will dated 10 May 1806, proved 23 Jan 1815 in PCC. Married ??????? who was living 10 May 1806,with a child.
If you would like to see the actual reference look at my websitewww.audleyfamilyhistory.com 'Published information' page and Chapter 14 of Audley Pedigrees. Last Pargraph.
I agree it would be interesting to know why a Captain crossed the Atlantic to become an Ensign. It would be even more interesting if the George Audley in the Cheshire Fencibles was different from the one in the NewFoundland Fencibles, as that gives me another George Audley in Cheshire England.
Thanks for yor help. I am working away from home for a couple of nights now so if you respond further it will be a few days before I can respond.
Regards
Brian Audley
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If you don't get a better reply on the Lancashire Volunteers, send me a pm with your email address and I will email extracts from a small publication which may help.
A
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See section 7 in http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/catalogue/RdLeaflet.asp?sLeafletID=26&j=1 for details of the book.
Ken
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Hi Ainslie & Ken
Thanks both for your messages
Ainslie,
I have sent yoy a PM
Ken,
Thnk for the link, I have bookmarked the page
Regards
Brian
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Brian --
I am wondering if you found additional information about the Cheshire Fencibles. My husband's ancestor, Jonathan Moores (later Moors), was with the Cheshire Fencibles from 1795 to 1802 (as a private, I believe). Information I located on him also lists him with the 6th Regt of the Foot, and the Glengarry Regt. He received land from the Perth Military Depot as an English settler (Canada) in about 1816.
I'm new to searching in military records, and am trying to determine what records might be available for him. I came across your questions about the Cheshire Fencibles, and was curious as to whether you've located much. I did find some military history on the regiment, but have just started looking.
Regards,
Debbie
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Hi Debbie,
I am afraid I dis not any further with the Cheshire Fencible Regiment.
I think your best bet would be to look in the National Archives at Kew London, but that does not help with you living in America.
I have not been to Kew for six years but looking at Kew catelogue if you can identify the relevant document you might be able to hget somebody to look at it for you.
I will also try and send you a private message
Regards
Brian
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Hi Debbie
His service record from his time in the fencibles and the 6th Foot does not appear to have survived in the National Archives, so it would be interesting to learn where you discovered the information you have. The 1st Battalion of the 6th Regiment arrived back from Canada in October 1806, so I assume he took his discharge in Canada. To research him further you will have to go to Kew (or use a researcher) and look at the muster books for the 1st/6th and working backwards until he joined from the fencibles. I cannot tell from the NA Catalogue if they have the musters from the Cheshire Fencibles.
Ken