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Hello looking for birth/census details for John Bernard McGovern and Ann McGovern nee Pearce. They lived 66 Bedford Street North Liverpool in November 1851 when my g/grandmother Elizabeth McGovern was born.
Thank you
Zane
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Hi Zane,
1851
HO107/2192 303 29 & 30
West Derby, Lancashire
Green Street
Patrick Kewley?, head, 37, Boot Maker, b. Isle of Man
Jane, wife, 39, b. do.
William K, son, 15, b. do.
Margaret E, dau, 2, b. West Derby
Mary Lyon, serv, unm, 19, b. Liverpool Toxteth Park
Jas Preston, visitor, wid, (can't read age), Confectioner, b. Salford
Jno B McGovern, lodger, mar, 32, Flour Dealer, b. Ireland Cavan
Ann McGovern, wife, 37, b. Worcestershire Bayton
Ann McGovern, dau, 12, b. Salop Cleobury Mortimer
Teresa McGovern, dau, 2, b. Liverpool
:)
Elizabeth is shown as Gertrude in 1861 - do you have the details yet?
RG9/2652 38 22
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Hello Tati,
I do not have details of 1861 Census however she appears as Gertrude on my grandmothers' birth and death certs and Elizabeth Catherine Gertrude on her own bc. The occupation of J B McGovern shown on the same cert matches that of the one you show from 1851 census. Elizabeth/Gertrude birth registered December 1851 so would not be in that census. Thank you for the information.
Zane
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Just for the sake of completeness :)
1861
RG9/2652 38 21 22
Liverpool, Lancashire
3 Emmerdale Street
John Mc Govern, head, 44, Store Keeper & Time Keeper, b. Ireland
Ann, wife, 46, b. Worcestershire Bayton
Teresa, dau, 12, b. Liverpool
Gertrude McGovern, dau, 9, b. Liverpool
John A, son, 5, b. do.
Frances A Parkinson, visitor, unm, 27, b. do.
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Hi
It looks like we may have a Yeates connection. I'm looking at my tree and have a Frederick Yeates born c1850 in Dublin, Ireland.
I have 3 children for him 1) Frederick John Yeates c1875 Black Rock, Dublin - 1918 France.
2) Marion Yeates c1877 Liverpool, England - c1936 Brisbane, Australia
3) Arthur Talbot Yeates 16 Feb 1880 147 Rosalind St, Kirkdale, Lancashire, England, UK. - c1950 California USA.
I was told the mother of these children and wife of Frederick Yeates was Gertrude McGovern but since the marriage of Frederick and Gertrude wasn't until March Quarter 1883 perhaps his first wife and Mother of these children is the Elizabeth and Gertrude is a second wife. What do you think? I've not had much luck getting marriage certs from Ireland. I did get one for Horatio Yeates and Kate Lucy Barrett but it showed their ages as full so wasn't much good at the time. Luckily their headstones in Tasmania were transcribed and gave age at death.
Cheers Katie
Cairns Queensland
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Hello Katie
My Yeates connection would start with Marion Yeates (grandmother) born 26/01/1877 Kirkdale died Brisbane 31/10/1936 as Marion Johnson. Her father Frederick Yeates married Elizabeth Catherine Gertrude McGovern 25/03/1883 at Liverpool, he bachelor aged 31 her spinster aged 30. The only info re his birth c1850 and his children come from 1881 Census when they lived at Liverpool. The age/birthplace details match yours. The question of Elizabeth/Gertrude McGovern may be resolved by the marriage details above and her bc. I am nearly certain they are the one. If you are satisfied from this info we have a common Yeates connection (I am ) we could share further details as I would love to know the birth parish for Frederick Yeates in Dublin.
Regards
Zane
Pittsworth Queensland
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Hi Zane
It's kind of funny that I've been researching for nearly 3 years and have finally found someone that lives in the same state as me.
my email address is (*) I can email you a Yeates tree. I do not have a source for Frederick Yeates born c1850 Dublin that is married to your Elizabeth Catherine Gertrude McGovern. As a couple they seem kind of hard to track down. Given that they keep changing the names they & their children were known by and the spelling for Yeates being transcribed as Yates one year at least. Do you know when Marion Yeates came to Australia?
Katie
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Hello everybody - new to this site as I have just come across the McGovern/Yeates names. John Bernard McGovern and Anne Pearce were my GGGrandparents I believe - not entirely sure which at this point. Arthur Yeates was married to my Great Aunt Gertrude McGovern. They emigrated to the USA in 1914 I believe where she died. There was at least one child who used to visit my Great Grandmother and Grandfather - last time was during the war I think. I have letters and photo's. Would love to link up with anyone researching this line of the McGoverns and Yeates. I also have a photo of a family group which looks like it was taken in Australia in early years of the last century - could these be Yeates? I believe there were some who emigrated there.
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Hello Huish
John McGovern or Magauran and Anne Pearce were my gg/grandparents. My g/grandmother Gertrude McGovern married Frederick Yeates in 1883 their daughter Marion Yeates being my grandmother. Gertrude Yeates died England 1887. Marion Yeates as Johnson emigrated to Australia in the early 1900's where she died Brisbane 1936. From census details have John McGovern born Cavan, Ireland but have not been able to find out further details. Have his father's name Bernard Magauran from marriage cert to Anne Pearce. There are people on this site with quite a lot of information re Yeates especially the Irish family tree. Hope I have been of some help.
Regards
Zane Johnson
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Zane,
Thanks for this. I was told that the Arthur Yeates who married Daisy McGovern, not Gertrude who was her sister - I got that wrong and emigrated to the US in 1914 was Daisy's cousin. Perhaps he was Marion's brother? The picture I mentioned may well have been of your Grandmother and her family in Australia. Will see if I can get it to you if you are interested. Will have to work out how though as I don't fully understand this site as yet
Robert
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Hi Robert,
I'm a ggg granddaughter of John McGovern and Ann Pearce through the Yeates/McGovern line. I was delighted to read your post.
Arthur was the younger brother of my great grandfather Frederick John Yeates. Marion, their sister, was the middle child of the family.
I've left you a personal message offering to send copies of certificates. Would love to hear about your connection with the family.
Regards
Lorraine