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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Pembrokeshire => Wales => Pembrokeshire Lookup Requests => Topic started by: Vesta on Thursday 30 April 09 13:10 BST (UK)
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This is the "concrete" info I have--Letitia Ann Freeman was married on 5th Nov 1824 in Lambston Pembrokeshire to a John Robinson, I have marr Cert. She died on 24 Dec 1872 age 73, in Churchill Somerset born c1799, I have death cert. I also have the will of her brother John Trelawny Freeman that states his parents were Sophia & John Freeman of Pembrokeshire. Will dated 1854-- also his death record is 1854. The insertion of Trelawny in his name adds weight to the fact that---
On IGI there is a record that states that Sophia Trelawny b. c1753 marries a John Freeman on 15 Jun 1801 possibly in St Ann's Church Soho.
Sophia Trelawny's parents lived in Soho Sq London & were buried in that church which was bombed in WW2.
I have the Will of Gen Harry Trelawny, dated 1813 in which he mentions his daughter Sophia, but not that she was married. She received an inheritance.
Can anyone tell me how to get the marriage record for Sophia Trelawny & John Freeman or perhaps the baptism record for her daughter Letitia Ann---- I would have thought the church in Soho would have stored their records somewhere safe. Also if I could find the baptism record of Letitia this should confirm her dates & parents
Trying to reason this through it looks as if Sophia does not marry until until she is 48yrs old & then has 2 children.
Letitia also seems to have received an inheritance but I can find no Wills for her parents.
Any helpful suggestions will be most appreciated.
Vesta
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Sophia Freeman is very unlikely to have had two children after the age of 48.
She is still living in 1841 - in Lambston, Pembrokeshire. Age recorded as 75, which (allowing for rounding down to nearest 5) would mean she was born c1761-1766, so around 34-40 when she married in 1801.
I notice that although the IGI has an entry for the marriage extracted from local records, the birth date is an entry submitted by an LDS member, who has simply guessed it as 'about 1753'. This may be based only on the fact that her parents married in 1752. (The marriage of Henry Trelawney and Mary Dormer at Grosvenor Chapel, Mayfair in 1752 is on Boyd's Marriage Index).
There is a death of Sophia Freeman registered in Haverfordwest district (which includes Lambston) in 1847.
Records for St Ann Soho are held at City of Westminster Archives:
http://www.westminster.gov.uk/libraries/archives/indexes/guide/guide15.cfm
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A report of the marriage appeared in The Morning Chronicle Wednesday 24th June 1801
MARRIED
On th 15th inst. at St Ann's Westminster, J.L. Freeman esq., of Crickmailyn, Pembrokeshire, to Miss Sophia Trelawney, second daughter of the late Gen. Trelawney.
Interesting that Sophia's father appears to be deceased in 1801.
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Thank you so much Galium-- your help is invaluable. No one in the Trelawny family believed there was a Sophia.
I will order her death certifcate. I am really very excited.
Many Thanks
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Galium-- can you tell me please how do you find the marriage announcement in The Morning Chronicle for Sophia & John. I would like to print it, if that is allowed, to prove to everyone that Sophia exists.
Thanks Vesta
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Galium
Thank you for my personal message. I do live in the U.K in a south London borough. I will enquire at the local library, but if they do not have the service I will take you up on the kind offer. I now would also like to find the marriage record of Agnes Ann, Sophia's sister to---I believe to a John Jervis.
I appreciate your help
Vesta
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Boyd's Marriage Index shows John JERVIS marrying Ann Agnes TRELAWNY at St Mary Abbots. Kensington in 1779. Boyd's doesn't give exact dates, unfortunately.
However, both Sophia and Ann Agnes' marriages were by licence, and appear on the Faculty Office Licence Allegations index. The index is held at the Lambeth Palace Library, and at the Society of Genealogists Library(14 Charterhouse Buildings, Goswell Road, London ) - I believe you can buy copies of the licence allegations at either place.
If you want to know more about licence allegations and what they contain:
http://www.britishorigins.com/help/popup-aboutbo-mla2.htm
Hope this helps.
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I don't know if you've come across this resource:
http://www2.swansea.gov.uk/_info/cambrian/
but if not, I see there is a possible announcement for the death of Sophia Freeman - although she is named only as 'the Lady of John Freeman Esq. of East Hook', and also of John's death in 1849, as well as Letitia Ann's marriage in 1824.
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No --I didn't know of this site & thank you for telling me about it
Regards Vesta
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Hi my name is Kate, and Sophia Trelawney is my gggg gran mother, i have been in touch with Robin Dunford who is also related to me through the Robinson side. Unfortunatly I dont know too much about her but I am keen to share any thing that I find.
From Kate
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Hello Kate
Welcome to chatting!
In the conversations above it gives most of what I know about Sophia. I now know that she was born in Kensington Sq in 1762 baptised at St Mary Abbots Kensington. It would be easier for me to help if you could ask a specific question. I was in touch with Robin 9 days ago & he seems further ahead than I am---- there is still a lot of work to be done trying to find proofs & I am waiting for help from Kensington & Chelsea Family record office.
Tell me what you want & I'll do my best to answer.
Regards
Vesta
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Hi thank you for replying, how are you related? Im related through Letitias daughter Mary Robinson who married Henry Wookey. I know quite a bit about Letitia but nothing about John Robinson except he was born in Bristol. I did wonder if there is any pictures or paintings of Sophia Trelawney, but Im not sure which direction to go. I have typed her name in but only come up with her father as he was a formidable person and in those days Women did not have a great role to play. I just want to know as much as i can really as they seem to be a very interesting family. I work part time so im nearly always on the computer tracing a few family lines if i get time. I live in Somerset so quite well situated for going either to Cornwall or Pembrokeshire eventually. Hope to hear soon from Kate.
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I to would love a picture of Sophia TRELAWNY no E in real Trelawny's. My Great Grandfather was a nephew of Sophia he was (Edward ) John Trelawny. Well known for the cremation of the Poet Shelley. Known as Edward John but baptised only John.
Gen Henry (Harry) Trelawny Govenor of Landguard Fort E.Anglia, & the family lived first in Kensington Sq & then moved to Soho Sq. His only son Charles inherited Soho Sq.
Letitia Ann Freeman ran away with the gardener John Robinson from her parents estate of E. Hook Hall, she appears to have forfeited her inheritance by doing so. Later John Robinson was a Tailor. I am still working on Sophia.
Vesta
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Hi thank you for confirming a story that had been passed down through my side, that Letitia ran away with the gardener, My mum would have been thrilled to hear this Nan always said that this was the case but did not know which member of the family it was. I noticed that Sophias sister was also called Letitia, did she ever marry? I will fill you in on the rest of the family by sending it to you on your web site, will let you know if I find anything else from Kate.
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Hi Vesta I have just come across your conversations about Letitia and her mother. I am still quite new to this family tree stuff - inspired by "Who do you think you are" like so many others I suspect.
I was wondering if we might be related from your posts and how. I have copied in a pedigree chart for Rees Sanders, my surname is Sanders and Rees is my 2nd Great Grandfather.
Pedigree Chart for Rees SANDERS
James SANDERS
B: 18 Jun 1802 in Feniton, Devon M: 18 Jun 1822 in Buckerell, Devon by licence D: 1847 in Devon England
William SANDERS
B: 04 Sep 1757 in Feniton, Devon - England M: 31 Dec 1797 D: 10 Aug 1838 in Feniton, Devon
George SANDERS
B: 25 Jun 1826 in Feniton, Devon, England M: 30 Dec 1847 in Parish Church, St Phillip & Jacob, Bristol, England D: 1890 in Bristol, Gloucestershire, England
Martha SALTER
B: 1761 in Devon England D: 01 Jan 1814
Mary FROST
B: Jun 1802 in Clyst Hydon, Devon, England D: 14 Aug 1841 in Feniton, Devon
William Frost
B: M: D:
Rees SANDERS
B: 21 Mar 1853 in Bristol St Michaels, Gloucestershire, England M: 25 Dec 1875 in Broadmead Baptist Meeting House, Broadmead, Bristol, England D: 1927 in Bristol, Gloucestershire, England
Mary Frost
B: D:
John Powell ROBINSON
B: 09 Oct 1799 in Bristol, Gloucestershire, England M: 05 Nov 1824 in Lambston, Morvil, Pembrokeshire, Wales D: 19 Jan 1876 in Churchill, Somerset, England
Name:
B: M: D:
Sophia Freeman ROBINSON
B: Feb 1826 in Llandowlas, Monmouthshire, Wales D: 1907 in Keynsham RD, Somerset, England
Name:
B: D:
Letitia Ann FREEMAN
B: 1803 in Bosherston, Pembrokeshire, Wales, UK D: 24 Dec 1872 in Churchill, Somerset, England
John L FREEMAN
B: 1771 M: 15 Jun 1801 in St Ann's Church, Soho, London D: 30 Mar 1849 in East Hooke, Pembrokeshire, Wales
Sophia Trelawny
B: Abt. 1766 in Shotwick Park, Cheshire, England D: 1847 in Pembrokeshire, Wales
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Hi you are definatly related to me, my name is Kate and my gg gran was Mary Robinson who married Henry Wookey, Letitia was Marys mother. I have only just found Roots chat so im quite new to this as well, but i am a member of ancestry which I find quite good. If i can help just let me know from kate.
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Hi Andy
Just got back from Cornwall from a Trelawny Memorial service.
Yes we are related indirectly & given time I can tell you how. You are not correct about Sophia's birth at Shotwick Park. Sophia was born in Kensington Sq --I have her baptism. Her older brother Charles did not inherit Shotwick park until c 1802, I have exact date in hard copy somewhere. Sophia was married from the later family home in Soho Sq.
I will get back in touch shortly.
Vesta
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Hi Kate, would you have any information back from John Powell Robinson b. 1799 please, I am a bit stuck there.
I live in Somerset how about you?
Andy
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Andy
I will take you back 2 generations-- give me a few hours
Vesta
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Hi Andy and Vesta I live in Shepton Mallet Somerset, I only know a little bit about John Robinson, and its not a lot im afraid he was born Bristol, I need to go back to Bristol records office and find who his mother and father are. He was visiting an Elizabeth Greenish on one of the cencus records, and I did wonder if this was a relative . Are you both members of Ancestry as I find this quite help full. Hope to hear soon from Kate.
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Kate - you will never guess where I live - Gurney Slade !
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Kate--the computer says we are 4th cousins twice removed & Andy we are 4th cousins once removed.
John L. Freeman was b. Dec 1771 Bap. 1 Jan 1772 I have the record
Sophia was born 1762 Kensington Sq -- she was married from Soho Sq.
John L. Freeman's father was Thomas Freeman & his Mum was Elizabeth
possibly Powell but I can't prove that yet she died 1832 in Newport.
Yes Sophia had a younger sister Laetitia who died unm Brighton in 1857.
Sophia's elder brother was My GG Grandfather. I live is Surrey.
Vesta
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This is Vesta again, I was talking rubbish in my last post.
John Freeman's father was another John Freeman & John Powell Robinson's father was Thomas Robinson & his mother was Elizabeth.
Vesta
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Hi Andy i suppose to to much of a surprise you live just up the road from me, Im lucky as have nearly always lived in this area which makes tracing my tree quite easy. At least you have good web sites, like this one to find other members of your tree to piece it together. Are you on face book? as i am under Kate Hopkins. Nice to know Sophia and Letitia are family names just let me know if you need to know anything else, like i said before my tree is on Ancestry.co.uk from kate.
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Hi Kate - do you want to drop me an e-mail (*) I can't work out which is you on facebook or find your tree - sorry - Andy
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don't know if you've found letitia baptism and on another post you asked about her brother henry
on the below site there is a letitia and henry freeman both bap. 26-6-1806 bosherston parents sophia and john
http://www.revjones.fsnet.co.uk/stackgrpreg/register.htm
in 1841 and 1851 at crickmail farm, bosherston
there was a
david freeman b. 1779 bosherston
and his sisters
francis freeman b. 1770 and mary freeman b. 1776
also found a somewhere when doing my thomas' a john freeman farming treforce farm, bosherston in 1786
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Thank you Sharon - I was not aware of that link. Question: Do you have anything on a third child - John Trelawny Freeman. I have no dates for him at all.
Also would you have anything on Letitia Ann FREEMAN's Grandparents, all I have is John Freeman and Rebecca?
Got to ask when you get the opportunity - Andy
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soz only had that as i was looking into who had the farms when we didn't have found this site though to search for wills.
if you type in freeman several come up.
http://cat.llgc.org.uk/cgi-bin/gw/chameleon?skin=profeb&ing=en
hope link works its from llgc.co.uk website in family history or wills not sure which
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I believe that Ann Freeman was mother of John Freeman Snr. who married Rebecca & had about 9 children, one was our John L.Freeman who had a brother David. They all lived Crickmail Farm.
Vesta