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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Durham => Topic started by: Filiem on Thursday 30 April 09 09:03 BST (UK)
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Hello,
My GG Grandfather Thomas CARR was listed as a gamekeeper at Broomshields Hall in the 1871 census. I have searched the internet for any information on the hall but not a great deal comes up, just some pictures of the old walls and lodge house. This of course is good but I would really like to know more!
I wondered if anyone could help me and point me in the direction of any information about Broomshields Hall, absolutely anything at all would be great.
Thanks in advance,
Em
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You could try
Keys to the Past http://www.keystothepast.info/k2p/usp.nsf/pws/keys+to+the+Past+-+home+page
or
A search in Historical Directories http://www.historicaldirectories.org/hd/findbykeyword.asp (try using the keyword search for County Durham).
Jennifer
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My grandmother was born at Broomshields Home Farm in 1869 and I believe that the name of the farm was often shortened to 'West Shields' and it may still be known by this name.
Regarding the history of the hall, Whellan;s 'History, Topography and directory of County Durham, 1894 has the following:
"Satley.
Broomshields is an estate in this township, which at the time of Hatfield's survey, 1375, was a separate township, divided into several parcels, which were ultimately given to the adjoining townships. The Greenwell family have helld this estate for more than four centuries. Peter Greenwell of Broomsheles occurring as early as 1488.
Broomshields Hall is a good residence, occupying a fine situation, overlooking a well-wooded and diversified landscape. Through the dene close by flows the Pan Burn. The Hall was rebuilt in 1723, and additions have since been made by different members of the family."
In the 1950s and 60s the Hall was owned by Bartram & Sons, the Sunderland Shipbuilders.
Wearsider.
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Hello again,
Thanks Jennifer for those links, there was a little bit of information on the Keys to the Past site, mainly architectural information on the building, which was interesting. Will have a plough through the directories probably this evening.
Thank you Wearsider too for the help, Thomas CARR actually resided in Broomshields Cottage near the Hall, so not exactly sure where this is / was on the estate. My apologies actually, it is the 1881 census he is there, not the 1871.
Still trying to find his marriage too, a lady called Jane. His first child was born in 1872. Still trying to pick that family to bits really.
Thanks,
Em
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Thomas CARR actually resided in Broomshields Cottage near the Hall, so not exactly sure where this is / was on the estate.
Go to http://gis.durham.gov.uk/website/interMAP/viewer.htm
Click on search, and enter postcode DL13 4HW
When the new map has loaded, go to the drop-down menu at the bottom of
the page and select 1856 - 1866.
This shows Broomshields Cotttage just to the south of the Hall.
(You can zoom in and out using the + and - buttons at the bottom of the page.)
Jennifer
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Wow Jennifer, thank you so much, that map is great, thanks.
It also looks like the cottage still exists today in some form, which is marvellous :)
I have a thing about maps too, I love them!
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In my previous posting I incorrectly named the farm - I should have said that my grandmother was born at West Broomshields Farm, the name often being shortened to 'West Shields', the name by which it is currently known.
I apologise for this mistake.
Wearsider.
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Awww Wearsider, i wouldn't worry about that, I usually make at least one mistake in any information I type :)
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Hi there
just reading your message and i find the info very useful.
i currently live in The Georgian House Broomshiels Hall so if i can be of anyhelp please ask
regards
Will
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My Hedleys gave me a right dance .....but it seems now that they come from Satley..... a place I am not familiar with I am from Tyneside and now live in Northumberland.......but Ada Hedley born 1882 had put me on the wrong road as she had said she was born at South Shields County Durham in later life....but everything pointed to Satley even the fact she had married her husband James Harmieson of Corbridge in Hexham she also lived in the home of the Colliery Cashier at Orchard House Corbridge ......by chance I found this site and some one talking about Keys to the Past...as...... I zoomed in and then slowly out I saw South Shields Farm.......
.I am so glad I stopped by and read your conversation........I am now doubly sure that .....I have the right Ada Hedley from the 1891 Census daughter of Robert and Elizabeth Hedley father a miner....
Great Site
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Dear Wearsrider and others that have a connection to Broomshields/Broomshiels or the Greenwell family.
My Name is Peter John Maddison Greenwell my Father was John Maddison Greenwell his father Noel Maddison Greenwell
I have more recently spent time in Durham area teaching and had the urge to find out more about my "roots". My father was far more able to research and had a far greater knowledge of our family history which is very much linked to this area and in particular Broomshields as I belive it was our family home possibly for over 400 years.
I have photos of Broomshields and various pieces of family history in the form of silverware and the like that carries the family crest.
My father must have done copious notes on the history as he was invited to do a number of talks to societies and groups on the subject. Sadly since his death I can only put pieces of it together until I can find these notes. Unless I become a research expert?
If there is anyone out there who is related, has any information on the subject I would be delighted to hear from them.
I have just had a conversation with a charming and helpful man who is owner of one of the properties at Broomshileds Hall. He has kindly invited me to visit. He says the property is still very much as it looked for a long time.
Look forward to hearing from anyone.
Kind regards
PMG
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Hi Peter
Believe it was my dad you spoke to regarding the hall ( Barry Kirtley) i notice you said you had old photos of the hall, would there be any chance you could email them over
Regards
Will Kirtley
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Hi Will,
Thank you for your email. Yes I did speak to your father. It was chance call to find out about Broomshields. It was wonderful to speak to him. He was so welcoming and kind in letting me know so much. He even offered to show me round some time.
I will search out the photos and scan them and send them to you. It will take a while. We moved in October and a lot of our stuff is still in boxes.
Send me you email address if you are happy to do that. Please feel free to keep in touch.
Kind regards Peter
www.elcaballodeespana.co.uk
peter@elcaballodeespana.co.uk
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Hi Will,
I am trying to email you and both your addresses are bouncing back. Can you email me please will an address that works.
Kind regards Peter
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Hello,
I am pretty new to all this so feel free to let me know if I have got the protocols wrong!
My Great Grandfather Nicholas Smailes (b 1845 Bushblades married Elizabeth Buckham 25/4/1868 at Satley) lived at West Carr on the Broomshields Estate. My Grandfather Nicholas Henry ("Harry") Smailes was born at West Carr 17/10/1884. I was close to Harry and many times visiting West Carr as a youngster with him. I understand that West Carr was originally built to house the Greenwell's foxhounds which were tended by the Smailes family. I remember stories about the tree plantations one of which, Fox Covert , was planted in the shape of a running fox its brush flowing.
Has anyone any information regarding West Carr, the Smailes family etc. Any information would be gratefully received.
Thank you, Les