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Not sure if this should be on this board or the Cambridgeshire one but here goes....
I have a strange coincidence in my research and wonder if anyone could advise please.
I have the birth certificate for Eliza Lefevre ("Lefevie" transcription error on Ancestry) Sallabanks b 20 Jan 1891 Whittlesey, Cambridgeshire, mother Rebecca Sallabanks no father's name given and we know she was illegitimate (she was my father-in law's mother.). We know that sometimes the father's name was given as the child's middle name but the coincidence is that the registrar's name is John Fevre. However, I can find no John Fevre in the 1891-1901 census records that would indicate he would be a registrar - just saddlers, labourers & farmers.
Does anyone know if or how I could confirm he was a registrar and find out more? I doubt he was the father and already have three possible "LeFevre" fathers but it just seems a real coincidence for a relatively uncommon name and variant; although there are a number in the Cambridgeshire area at this time.
Incidentally the mother is shown as a "dressmaker" which I believe was also used to describe someone of ill-repute, is this correct?
Thanks
Terry
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Using the Historical Directories website Kelly's Directory of Cambs, Norfolk & Suffolk, 1892. [Part 1: Cambridgeshire] lists John Fevre of Queen St Whittlesey as Registrar of Briths Marriages and Deaths
http://www.historicaldirectories.org/
Searching using the keyword Fevre under Cambridgeshire 1890s turns up several references to John Fevre, as well as Ja. Fevre
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By profession John Fevre was a saddler and harness maker. He was a councillor on the Isle of Ely council, also the assistant overseer and collector of Poor rates, Parish clerk of St Mary's, Vestry clerk to the United parishes, Vaccination officer and Registrar of Births Marriages & Deaths.
What a busy chap!
the mother is shown as a "dressmaker" which I believe was also used to describe someone of ill-repute, is this correct?
Sometimes, but there must have been some genuine dressmakers in the world. ;)
Nell
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Very many thanks to both of you for your replies; that's most helpful.
Terry
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Heard "Lady of no occupation" etc.etc. but never dressmaker. Is this one peculiar to the Cambridge area?
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Heard "Lady of no occupation" etc.etc. but never dressmaker. Is this one peculiar to the Cambridge area?
You will get 'dressmaker's'(wink wink nudge nudge) in any large city.......most of them were in London of course ;D
Carol
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And I thought I knew London quite well- used to work at King's Cross!
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Does anyone know if or how I could confirm he was a registrar and find out more? I doubt he was the father and already have three possible "LeFevre" fathers but it just seems a real coincidence for a relatively uncommon name and variant; although there are a number in the Cambridgeshire area at this time.
French sounding names are not as uncommon as you think in this part of England. They would be descendents of Huguenot families who first settled in Lincolnshire, and later in the Whittlesey, Eye and Thorney areas of Cambridgeshire from about 1650 onwards.
http://contueor.com/wisbech/history/
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So could the surname MOULE be of Hughenot origin?
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Not sure about Huguenot, but it certainly sounds French (isn't moule French for snail ?)
It could equally well be Old English...... http://www.surnamedb.com/surname.aspx?name=Moule
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My great grandfathers unmarried mother was an 'ironer' of Fitzroy Sq, London. But I think she had an affair with the master of the house - by 1891 the owner was a Tailor, so an ironer would be fitting ;)
I thought just 'un escargot' was snail in french :)
Matt
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(isn't moule French for snail ?)
No, it's French for mussel ;)
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I knew it was something like that - thanks :)
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Don't confuse snails with mussels; snails are inedible to most English people, whilst I find mussels an absolute delicacy!That sounds suspicious Matt, rather like my ancestors, 2Xgreatgrandfather married a "widow" with about 5 children, her official husband had disappeared, never died so far as I can tell. If you see a man in Alford Lincs who looks about 230 please tell me. The supposed mother of the 2great grandfather concerned had at least 7 illegitimate children, though only ever claimed of the parish for 2 of them which makes finding details difficult to say the least.
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My ggg grandmother Jane Banks changed between the census', from single, married and widowed but only her first three kids were legitimate as there is a father with them at one point but there are many Thomas Banks deaths and Marriages near the area. She had three more children illegitimately but none of them have a father in the PR's
Matt
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If your'e talking about eh 1890s Matt, then I'm surprised there are no records of any of them in the workhouse.
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Not sure if this should be on this board or the Cambridgeshire one but here goes....
I have a strange coincidence in my research and wonder if anyone could advise please.
I have the birth certificate for Eliza Lefevre ("Lefevie" transcription error on Ancestry) Sallabanks b 20 Jan 1891 Whittlesey, Cambridgeshire, mother Rebecca Sallabanks no father's name given and we know she was illegitimate (she was my father-in law's mother.). We know that sometimes the father's name was given as the child's middle name but the coincidence is that the registrar's name is John Fevre. However, I can find no John Fevre in the 1891-1901 census records that would indicate he would be a registrar - just saddlers, labourers & farmers.
Does anyone know if or how I could confirm he was a registrar and find out more? I doubt he was the father and already have three possible "LeFevre" fathers but it just seems a real coincidence for a relatively uncommon name and variant; although there are a number in the Cambridgeshire area at this time.
Incidentally the mother is shown as a "dressmaker" which I believe was also used to describe someone of ill-repute, is this correct?
Thanks
Terry
Hi Terry, I'm curious about your line of Sallabanks, I'm researching them too, the majority of mine were Cambridgeshire based. I've not come across Rebecca yet.
Chelsea
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Chelsea
I have sent you a PM.
Terry