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Title: Re: Robinson, Tipperary
Post by: lesleyandrobert on Saturday 25 April 09 06:15 BST (UK)
John Robinson came to Australia ? and his brother Benjamin came in 1855.  Am trying to trace their parents, Michael Robinson and Helen (Ellen) Ralph.  John was born abt. 1834 in Borrisokane/Cloughjordan area, Tipperary.
Benjamin born abt. 1837, same area,  married in Australia Elizabeth Allen daughter of William Henry Allen and Maria Hodgins - parents both born at Cloughjordan.
Any help would be wonderful.
Thankyou... Lesley
Title: Re: Robinson, Tipperary
Post by: Maggsie on Friday 25 September 15 19:44 BST (UK)
Hi
 I know it's a while ago but did you get any information?
Maggsie
Title: Re: Robinson, Tipperary
Post by: lesleyandrobert on Monday 23 December 19 01:56 GMT (UK)
Hi Maggsie,  sorry about the delay but I have only just come across your comment and no I did not get any replies.  Thanks Lesley
Title: Re: Robinson, Tipperary
Post by: hallmark on Monday 23 December 19 14:30 GMT (UK)


Civil Reg Death results for Robinson of Borrisokane

http://www.rootschat.com/links/01oqq/


https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/en/civil-records/help/what-civil-records-are-on-line   explains.





Title: Re: Robinson, Tipperary
Post by: hallmark on Monday 23 December 19 14:31 GMT (UK)


Borrisokane  https://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0765   if they were R.C.



Title: Re: Robinson, Tipperary
Post by: hallmark on Monday 23 December 19 14:54 GMT (UK)



Cloughjordan  R.C.  https://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0775


Title: Re: Robinson, Tipperary
Post by: Maggsie on Monday 23 December 19 14:57 GMT (UK)
Hi Lesley, I will gather the info for you.

We really need to know if your John is from the same family of Augustus De Lepare Robinson death in 1889, listed in the link Hallmark gave you.
If this is the case then they originated in Berwick upon Tweed in England, very early in the 1600's!
I was visiting a Castle that had been extended now called a house where Augustus lived, his parents lived further into Cloughjordan at Ballynavin Castle/House, my Grandfather worked on the Estate in the late 1920's. The owner of the house asked me to research the name over the Arch and the year.
I always thought the castle was the building on the right as you entered the drive, it seems that is older and was a Hall House. I have loads of info on that family. We will see if you are related to them.
Maggsie
Title: Re: Robinson, Tipperary
Post by: lesleyandrobert on Tuesday 24 December 19 01:33 GMT (UK)
Thank you everyone for trying to help me with my John Robinson.  I was lead to believe that he was protestant.  He had 11 children all born in Borrisokane, the last being a girl and she was baptised in Kilbarron Church which led to believe was burnt down.  Their only daughter said that the same snow was on the road for both funerals (her parents) and that her father, Michael died of grief 3 months after his wife, Ellen. I worked it out it would have to have been around 1856.  Ellen died suddenly, from a stroke, while milking a pet cow. Ellen Ralph was believed to have had 4 sisters, one married a Dagg, another Hodgins, another Armitage, another an englishmen by the name of Singleton.  I don't know any christian names. One or two of them could have gone to America.  Ellen was known as Ellen Ralph of Ralphmont.  Michael could also beforehand come from Galway.  All this is being taken from a letter written back in the mid 1900s.  With Michael there is reported to be a castle somewhere Stangarry/Shangarry/Stanbally/Shangally Castle Co. Galway. Also mentions their house is now called either the  "Red House" or "The Big House" and she saw it once at a distance and she stated that in her Grannie's day (who was the only daughter) it was the "Long Lane House".
Also mentions Sir Robert McKenzie & Sir Michael McKenzie (Scotch Baronets) and their sister Hon. Marion Monica McKensie and that Michael Robinson comes down from one of them.  (I have researched and found nothing)  I can tell more but feel taking up too much of everyone's time. Sorry if disjointed. Lesley
Title: Re: Robinson, Tipperary
Post by: hallmark on Tuesday 24 December 19 07:26 GMT (UK)
Robinson (Co Tipperary) - The Robinson family were settled in the Ballingarry locality of county Tipperary from the mid 17th century. Burke's Landed Gentry of Ireland (1904) records the marriage in 1712 of Thomas Stoney and Sarah, sister of General Andrew Robinson and granddaughter of George Robinson, a Cromwellian officer, who settled at Knockshigowna, parish of Ballingarry. In February 1851 the Tinnakilly estate, barony of Lower Ormond, of the assignee of Arthur Robinson, a bankrupt, amounting to 1,602 acres, was advertised for sale. At the time of Griffith's Valuation Ellen and John Robinson both held land in Ballingarry parish, while Louisa, Augustus and Ruth Robinson and the Reverend Robinson held land in the parish of Modreeny. In the 1870s Hartstronge/Hartstonge Robinson of Kingstown owned 596 acres, Ellen Robinson of Loran Park owned 353 acres, Robert Robinson of Ballynavin, Borrisokane owned 286 acres and Thomas S.D. Robinson of Riversdale owned 174 acres in county Tipperary. Hartstonge Robinson was the second son of Christopher Robinson of Woodlawn, county Cavan as recorded in the ''King's Inns Admissions Papers''. The same source records Arthur Robinson eldest son of Robert Robinson of Tinakelly, county Tipperary. Reverend Robert de Lapere Croasdaile Robinson was rector of Ballingarry. He was born in 1805 and died in 1870 at Ballynavin Castle,



 see http://www.genealogy.kirkpatrickaustralian.com/TNG/ahnentafel.php?personID=I6577&tree=TKG&parentset=0&generations=8.


source  http://landedestates.nuigalway.ie/LandedEstates/jsp/family-show.jsp?id=3476


Title: Re: Robinson, Tipperary
Post by: hallmark on Tuesday 24 December 19 08:31 GMT (UK)



 1. Thomas Stoney (17/12/1675-18/08/1726) m. (1712), Sarah Robinson (1693-19/08/1748), daughter of Thomas Robinson of Knockshegowna and his wife Mary Armstrong, the daughter of Robert Armstrong of Gallen Priory and Lydia Harward (Howard)


http://www.myirishheritage.net/stoney-family.html


Title: Re: Robinson, Tipperary
Post by: hallmark on Tuesday 24 December 19 08:38 GMT (UK)


Ballingarry gravestones   - Tipperary Studies
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01oqw/  pages 18/19



Title: Re: Robinson, Tipperary
Post by: hallmark on Tuesday 24 December 19 08:46 GMT (UK)



The Robinsons are an old County Tipperary Family, having settled at Knockshegowna (The Hill of the Fairies)during the reign of Queen Elizabeth I. The immediate ancestor of the Ballynavin branch, was a younger son of Sir Lumley Robinson, of Yorkshire, the ancestor of Lord Rokeby and Richard Robinson, Archbishop of Armagh, 1765. This Robinson was an officer in Comwell's army, coming to Ireland he remained with his relatives. A monument to one of his grandsons is to be seen in Westminster Abbey. Andrew Robinson whilst in Jamaica, married the Comtesse de Lapere, whose family had been exiled from France as Huguenots*, and their Chateau and estate, on the banks of the Loire confiscated. She died at the birth of her first child, John, on the eve of her 21st birthday. Andrew brought his infant son to Ireland, and left him with his grand uncle, General Andrew Robinson at Knockshegowna. When returning to Jamaica he was drowned at sea.General Andrew Robinson's portrait was displayed in Buckingham Palace,and he was equerry to the Princess of Wales, mother of George III. In 1777 he was engaged in a law suit in America concerning a grant of lands made to his relatives at the time of the War of Independence for distinguished services. John entered the army, and married in Canada, Miss Alice Boyton, celebrated for her beautiful eyes, by her he had two sons and three daughters.

When Lt. General Robert Robinson died he left 200,000 pounds to John's eldest son, Robert. Robert,a Captain in the Hussars,when aged 17 years,was married at Portpatrick ,on December 1st, 1801, to Miss Ruth Stoney, daughter of Thomas Stoney, Esq., of Arran Hill(who was offered a baronetcy in 1798, for his vote and influence, which he declined. Bishop Smart, known by his translations of Horace, was her maternal uncle.)

The marriage took place in Scotland , as Robert was underage. After the marriage the couple returned to London , and Robert began squandering his inheritance , and when he came under the notice of the Bailiffs, fled ,and moved his family back to Ireland, where four sons were born.He pleaded with his father in law for more financial assistance , but was refused - Ruth sided with her father and returned to the family home with her children in 1809. Robert was later tried for and found guilty of Bigamy in The Sessions House, Green Street at The Commission of Oyer and Terminer, Before the Hon. Justice Mayne and Fletcher, On Wednesday the 24th of June, 1812 . He had feloniously married Ismena Berry,on 20th Nov,1811. He had convinced a Catholic priest to perform the illegal marriage , and also falsified the brides name as Amelia Barry.Ref:Java Govt. Gazette ,Batavia,April 3, 1813.
Ref:Chronicles of The Kirkpatrick Family,by Alexander deLapere Kirkpatrick. It must be pointed out that the findings in the above details are now thought to be somewhat inaccurate ,according to descendants, citing that Alexander Kirkpatrick did not appear to realise that Lord Rokeby and Archbishop Richard Robinson were one and the same person.Also,the connection with Sir Lumley Robinson is also dubious at best.(With thanks to John Goodwillie for this update) * A persecuted minority in France during most of the period from the early 1500s until 1789, the French Protestants were given the name Huguenots in the time of the Reformation.
(Research):In 1803, Robert purchased the Ballynavin Estate, County Tipperary(the funds likely to have been part of Roberts inheritance that was held in trust by his father in law).



http://www.genealogy.kirkpatrickaustralian.com/archives/getperson.php?personID=I14209&tree=TKA



Title: Re: Robinson, Tipperary
Post by: hallmark on Tuesday 24 December 19 09:23 GMT (UK)



https://www.logainm.ie/en/45803  Knockshigowna



Title: Re: Robinson, Tipperary
Post by: lesleyandrobert on Monday 30 December 19 05:23 GMT (UK)
Thank you everyone, but I really think that this is a different family altogether. :( Lesley
Title: Re: Robinson, Tipperary
Post by: lesleyandrobert on Monday 30 December 19 05:25 GMT (UK)
A question please, I always thought that I would be notified by email when there was a post re the Robinson clan.  If I don't go on my computer and look for this site I don't know that someone has written a message.  Lesley