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Title: Grace AITKEN, nee Tennant, Edinburgh
Post by: Danchaslyn on Friday 24 April 09 18:24 BST (UK)

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Hi

Would welcome please lookup help, for full dates of birth, places of birth, marriage dates and places, death dates, causes and places, and anything else of interest, for my family, listed below.

To summarise, some of what I know so far, Grace Tennant, b. Edinburgh, 1831, d. 16/10/1910, married John Aitken, b. 1826-7?, a sawyer of Kirkurd, d.1913, Newington?

Who were Grace's parents please? ??? Who were John's parents please?

John Aitken had been married before, but I have no details of his first wife, or where and when wed? ;)

I have details of his first two sons, William Aitken, b. 1853 and Archibald, b.1855, possibly at Penicuik, or Bridgehouse Mile, West Lothian? Would welcome more details on them?

In a later post I can go into details of John and Grace Aitken's children.

Cheers

Danchaslyn

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Title: Re: GRACE AITKEN, B.TENNANT, EDINBURGH
Post by: Danchaslyn on Friday 24 April 09 19:09 BST (UK)

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Hi mamakaz

Thank you, and as usual, you have come up with great info. ;D you are SO good at this, and an absolute credit to RootsChat!! .................do I assume that Grace Tennant, at 29, was still not married? And as she lived in a Manse, could her parents have been ministers? ::)

Cheers

Danchaslyn

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Title: Re: GRACE AITKEN, B.TENNANT, EDINBURGH
Post by: mamakaz on Friday 24 April 09 19:25 BST (UK)

hi linnea, xxxx

it seems she was on her own, i cant view the original page on ancestry, it doesnt have the scottish ones on there grrrrrrrrrrr

Title: Re: GRACE AITKEN, B.TENNANT, EDINBURGH
Post by: mamakaz on Friday 24 April 09 19:44 BST (UK)

ok, grace tennant on the 1841 census

1841 Scotland Census
Grace Tennant
10 yrs old 1831 born Scotland

Civil Parish of Edinburgh Lady Yester Midlothian
says her Father was a Cow Feeder it must be a farm coz there is loads of people there but i cant see another tennant in the list????

Title: Re: GRACE AITKEN, B.TENNANT, EDINBURGH
Post by: Danchaslyn on Friday 24 April 09 19:46 BST (UK)

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Hi Mamakaz

Well, as she became John Aitken's second wife, she probably married later in life, than most. Any news on his first wife? Mother of his first two sons, William and Archibald please? ???

The Manse, will be another place to look at, on the looksee trip! ;D

Cheers

Danchaslyn

:)

xx

Title: Re: GRACE AITKEN, B.TENNANT, EDINBURGH
Post by: Danchaslyn on Friday 24 April 09 19:52 BST (UK)

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Hi Mamakaz

Thats just great................what is Lady Yester? ??? You definitely have the right Grace, thank you. :D

Oh man >:( battery probs on laptop, it just conked out again, if I disappear, thats why, and will be back soonest, whenever it is!! :-[

Bit strange as to where her mother is? ??? ???

Cheers

Danchaslyn

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Title: Re: GRACE AITKEN, B.TENNANT, EDINBURGH
Post by: Danchaslyn on Friday 24 April 09 19:59 BST (UK)

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Aaah.............................Lady Yester's Parish, Edinburgh, Midlothian.............can someone please tell me if this is the same parish as Newington, or a different parish?

Cheers

Danchaslyn

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Title: Re: GRACE AITKEN, B.TENNANT, EDINBURGH
Post by: saxonw. on Friday 24 April 09 20:17 BST (UK)

Newington unless there one in Edinburgh (my Scottish knowledge is virtually non-existent) is by any other name Kennington ie The Elephant & Castle just South of the Thames and has been for the last 150 years the stews of the Capital (well some of them anyway)

Title: Re: GRACE AITKEN, B.TENNANT, EDINBURGH
Post by: Akwaba on Friday 24 April 09 20:23 BST (UK)

Newington is a district in Edinburgh

Title: Re: GRACE AITKEN, B.TENNANT, EDINBURGH
Post by: mamakaz on Friday 24 April 09 20:26 BST (UK)

ok,

GRACE TENNANT married JOHN AITKEN on the 19 AUG 1867 in
West Linton, Peebles, Scotland

Title: Re: GRACE AITKEN, B.TENNANT, EDINBURGH
Post by: saxonw. on Friday 24 April 09 20:30 BST (UK)

!981 Census:

Information removed due to copyright violation. See http://www.rootschat.com/forum/copyright.php for more details

Title: Re: GRACE AITKEN, B.TENNANT, EDINBURGH
Post by: saxonw. on Friday 24 April 09 20:31 BST (UK)

Her name appears to be Grace Pratt Aitken. Seems to suggest her mother may well have the surname Pratt.

Title: Re: GRACE AITKEN, B.TENNANT, EDINBURGH
Post by: mamakaz on Friday 24 April 09 20:32 BST (UK)

Information removed due to copyright violation. See http://www.rootschat.com/forum/copyright.php for more details

RootsChat must deal with any breach of copyright by its members.

For some time the team of Copyright Editors has been removing breaches of copyright and sending detailed personal messages to the member that had posted the information. Due to the volume of posts and members this is now impractical. Messages in breach will simply be deleted and this notice posted. We apologise for any inconvenience caused but are sure you will appreciate the importance of this issue.

Title: Re: GRACE AITKEN, B.TENNANT, EDINBURGH
Post by: Danchaslyn on Friday 24 April 09 20:39 BST (UK)

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Hi Saxonw

You've lost me my friend, I don't know what a 'stews' is??? Yeh, Newington is definitely near, or in Edinburgh, I don't know which? ???

Thanks to for the '81 Census details, little Richard Aitken, age 1, do we presume he could be the son of Elizabeth, age 25? ???

Grace Pratt Aitken, wonder what happened to her mother, possibly, as you say a 'Pratt'? :)

Cheers

Danchaslyn

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Title: Re: GRACE AITKEN, B.TENNANT, EDINBURGH
Post by: saxonw. on Friday 24 April 09 20:45 BST (UK)

Stews of London (which is the NewingtonI referred to )are the slums and other haunts of the low life, Newington in London today in that respect is not a lot different than it was 150 years ago (Loads of people giong up in arms at that I can see). However If there is one in Edinburgh too : well I don;'t knowI've only been there once.However I do have a problem with the information produced by Mama Kaz

Let's be brave about this : she is in an institution as a child and at the age of 19 she turns up as as dressmaker. One of the great euphemisms of family history. She must have been a very tough cookie to have survived.

Title: Re: GRACE AITKEN, B.TENNANT, EDINBURGH
Post by: Danchaslyn on Friday 24 April 09 20:48 BST (UK)

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Hi akwaaba

Wow, thank you for all of that..........so Janet Bain was the first wife. ::)

And thank you SO much for all the other birth details and dates, all so helpful, I do have some info on John and Grace Aitken's children, but didn't have all the birthdates etc, so again, thank you. ;D

So frustrating that you can't see Grace's mother's surname beyond the 'L'!!! >:(

Thank you, that Newington is part of Edinburgh.

Also, for all the other details, in particular the deaths, marriages etc. So grateful!! ;D ;D

Cheers

Danchaslyn

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Title: Re: GRACE AITKEN, B.TENNANT, EDINBURGH
Post by: Danchaslyn on Friday 24 April 09 20:54 BST (UK)

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Hi Mamakaz

Whew!!!!! What on earth could this whole long list be??? So many different names, ages, both, men, woman and children. ???

Is it possible its a farm? or maybe a poorhouse? Can't understand why so many different people living together???!! ???

Any ideas.......................... ???

Cheers

Danchaslyn

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xx

Title: Re: GRACE AITKEN, B.TENNANT, EDINBURGH
Post by: mamakaz on Friday 24 April 09 21:03 BST (UK)

hi linnea, xxx

there is a Margt Lindsay 45 on the list, wonder if she is the mother?

Hi akwaaba, great info, x

Title: Re: GRACE AITKEN, B.TENNANT, EDINBURGH
Post by: saxonw. on Friday 24 April 09 21:05 BST (UK)

You can't see the original returns on Ancestry: It is almost certainly a workhouse because of the mixed aged span. Unusual for someone some young to be in an adult workhoue without other members of the family. She must have been at the bottom end of the age range. This is an idea about Edinburgh workhouses.

http://www.institutions.org.uk/workhouses/scotland/edinburgh.htm

Title: Re: GRACE AITKEN, B.TENNANT, EDINBURGH
Post by: Danchaslyn on Friday 24 April 09 21:07 BST (UK)

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Hi akwaaba

My dial up internet is getting slower and slower...........Richard Aitken, b. 12/5/1874, son of John and Grace Aitken, I haven't been able to find out anything about him, beyond that he became at bank clerk at age 16, possibly at Bank of Scotland, Edinburgh, and then emigrated, but I don't know where??? ???

His older brother Robert, banker, I know quite a bit about, and I'll post about him to-morrow, as internet to slow now, and also I'll post what I know about their brother Thomas. ;D

Their sister, Elizabeth, b. 3/8/1865,I would love to know about, have assumed in the past that she became a 'companion' to other members of the family? ???

Have you any idea please, who the parents of John William Aitken and Jane Veitch are ?

Cheers

Danchaslyn

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Title: Re: GRACE AITKEN, B.TENNANT, EDINBURGH
Post by: merryhow on Friday 24 April 09 21:12 BST (UK)

Hi, 1841 census , Grace's Father - CONFECTIONER. Address The Royal Infirmary.

Val

Title: Re: Grace AITKEN, nee Tennant, Edinburgh
Post by: saxonw. on Friday 24 April 09 21:19 BST (UK)

Richard Aitken is on the Ethiopia leaving Glasgow on the 8th April 1891 for New York more to follow.

Title: Re: Grace AITKEN, nee Tennant, Edinburgh
Post by: Danchaslyn on Friday 24 April 09 21:22 BST (UK)

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Saxonw

I haven't disappeared, just takes about 10 minutes to open each page at night, when its busy!!! >:( >:(

Ok, so Grace Tennant, grows up in this 'place' with so many other people, if it is a workhouse, wonder if it still stands, and what its exact location is????

Can I astound you, and tell you that of her and John Aitken's four children, the eldest, John, b. 13/5/1861, I know nothing about (YET!!), and Elizabeth, his sister, ?????, but Thomas, became Rev Thomas Aitken, Baptist Prison Chaplain on the Island of St Helena, then Gen Secretary or whatever they call it, of the Baptist Church, South Africa, and, wait for it....

Robert, her son, b. 11/5/1863, banker's clerk, at 16 yrs, Scotland, (which bank please??), then Banker in India, glittering career, the extreme highlife, became Governor of Imperial Bank of India, etc etc, was knighted, so she was the mother of Sir Robert Aitken!! ;)

Check out my topics in Scotland, Peebles-Shire, and St Ives, Huntingdonshire, England, St, Ives, Cornwall, England, and Beginners etc etc, if you have a chance. :o

Thanks for 'stews', we learn something every day....... ;D ;D

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Title: Re: Grace AITKEN, nee Tennant, Edinburgh
Post by: Danchaslyn on Friday 24 April 09 21:25 BST (UK)

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Hi Merryhow

Well Val, I would have loved my father to be a confectioner!!!! Thanks for that.......is the Royal Infirmary a hospital, do you think??
???
Cheers

Danchaslyn

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Title: Re: Grace AITKEN, nee Tennant, Edinburgh
Post by: saxonw. on Friday 24 April 09 21:30 BST (UK)

Dan what name have you in St Ives Cornwall home of wreckers and smugglers ?(Oh that be my husband's family then)

Title: Re: Grace AITKEN, nee Tennant, Edinburgh
Post by: Danchaslyn on Friday 24 April 09 21:32 BST (UK)

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saxonw

yes, yes, yes......................you have it, Richard Aitken going to New York, I'm sure of it!!!

As I've said to Mamakaz in the past, we suddenly have American cousins, I know some of their surnames were Yuill and also Bateman.........have lost touch with them all completely, and when I still had living relatives who could tell me how come we had/have American cousins, I didn't bother to ask. Silly me, :(

Did Richard carry on his banking, I wonder? ???

Cheers

Danchaslyn

P.S. - haven't had a chance yet to check out the Edinburgh Institutions, if I go for a while, that is where I am!! ;D ;D

Title: Re: Grace AITKEN, nee Tennant, Edinburgh
Post by: Danchaslyn on Friday 24 April 09 21:38 BST (UK)

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Hi saxonw

I think the Rootschatters locked my Cornwall, St Ives Topic, it was I think under John Ellis Aitken, St Ives????

John Ellis Aitken, son of Sir Robert Aitken, also a banker in Bombay, India, went to and fro, First Class, (pampered devils!!! >:(), by ship, obviously, and he always put his address, as River View, St Ives, so, again, silly me, I assumed, St Ives, Cornwall! :o

But, nooooooo, St Ives, Huntindonshire, England!! Where I later started a new topic for John Ellis and his wife Norah Jean Aitken.

cheers

Danchaslyn

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Title: Re: Grace AITKEN, nee Tennant, Edinburgh
Post by: Danchaslyn on Friday 24 April 09 21:46 BST (UK)

saxonw

Oh my goodness, what descriptions about the poorhouses, and workhouses AND...... the houses of Correction in Edinburgh!!!!! :'(

Well, as you say, Grace Tennant, so young to be in one, but what a survivor!!! ;)

Grace Aitken, so, how on earth do I find out which one she was in???? ???

Cheers

Danchaslyn

;)

Title: Re: Grace AITKEN, nee Tennant, Edinburgh
Post by: Danchaslyn on Friday 24 April 09 21:53 BST (UK)

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Hi Mamakaz

Thats a great idea about the possibility Mgt Lindsay might be the mother???? ;)

Cheers

Danchaslyn

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Title: Re: Grace AITKEN, nee Tennant, Edinburgh
Post by: merryhow on Friday 24 April 09 22:02 BST (UK)

Hi again, Yep it's a hospital. It has moved a couple of times since then.In 1841 it appears to have been in Old School Wynd. Not far from the Newington area of Edinburgh.

Val

Title: Re: Grace AITKEN, nee Tennant, Edinburgh
Post by: Danchaslyn on Friday 24 April 09 22:11 BST (UK)

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Hi merryhow

Thanks for that, Val.........so, it still stands, but in another location. ::)

What do you think a Confectioner, in a hospital, would have done? ???

Cheers

Danchaslyn

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Title: Re: Grace AITKEN, nee Tennant, Edinburgh
Post by: Danchaslyn on Friday 24 April 09 22:23 BST (UK)

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Hi All

I've only just noticed that John Aitken had, as we now know, three children to his first wife, Janet Bain, and one of their sons is called John. ;D

Then, with his second wife, Grace Aitken, nee Tennant, he has four children, and, wait for it, one of them is called, John!!!!! ;D

Father, John Aitken, third child of first marriage, John Aitken, and first child of second marriage, John Aitken. :o

Two half brothers, both John Aitken !!!! >:( And, born only FOUR YEARS APART ! :-\

Cheers

Danchaslyn

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Title: Re: Grace AITKEN, nee Tennant, Edinburgh
Post by: Akwaba on Friday 24 April 09 23:09 BST (UK)

T
Finally for me at this time - details of the death registration. Liddell is my quess.

Title: Re: Grace AITKEN, nee Tennant, Edinburgh
Post by: Danchaslyn on Friday 24 April 09 23:30 BST (UK)

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Hi akwaaba

Again, thank you very much for the info, glad to have Margaret Tennant details.

Also, the link to Royal Infirmary, really fascinating...............but, please tell me, would a confectioner ice cakes, make desserts, make sweets, that is what I imagine, but, in a hospital, and especially that sort of hospital.

Or would he have catered for the surgeons, visiting dignitaries etc?

When the internet isn't so slow, I'll get into the census site, and again, thank you very much for that, I'll look forward to it.

Also, for the death registration, Liddel it certainly looks like....

Cheers

Danchaslyn

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Title: Re: Grace AITKEN, nee Tennant, Edinburgh
Post by: Akwaba on Saturday 25 April 09 07:58 BST (UK)

Look at image

Title: Re: Grace AITKEN, nee Tennant, Edinburgh
Post by: Danchaslyn on Saturday 25 April 09 10:41 BST (UK)

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Hi akwaaba

Again, thank you, thank you and its so special to be able to see the original entries! :D

So, to recap and be sure I understand correctly, Grace Tennant's Dad, was a Cowfeeder, who later became a Confectioner? And at Royal Infirmary, he lived, but didn't work as a Confectioner, or could have been a patient there? ???

As you say the Dundee one is a possible..........................? but maybe not?

I'm still transfixed by the poorhouse connection! ::) Why usually would it be, that a father and very young daughter live in a poorhouse, and sisters and mother, might live elsewhere?

Later on, when Grace is a Seamstress and living in the Manse, would this have been because the Vicar or vicar's wife took a shine to her, and offered her a position in their household? it seems that at 29 (thanks to Mamakaz for this) she's still living in the Manse and I haven't worked it out yet, marries John Aitken later?

To marry someone who grew up in a poorhouse, would that have been a 'shame'? So, John Aitken, as a "Sawyer", marries Grace, now a Seamstress living in the Manse, would this have been an equal standing in the social scale, marriage? ???

Later in life, Grace Aitken is a Draper and her daughter Elizabeth is also.

Cheers

Danchaslyn

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Title: Re: Grace AITKEN, nee Tennant, Edinburgh
Post by: Danchaslyn on Saturday 25 April 09 11:05 BST (UK)

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Oh, I've had a moment to reflect, and realise the following:-

As John Aitken, a widower, b. 'about 1826' (Can anyone please give me his exact birthdate?), married Grace Tennant, b.1831, Edinburgh, a Draper on 19/8/1867, he was 41, it was his second marriage, and for her, age 36, it was her first marriage. ;)

Now I realise, that their first three children were illegitimate, namely John Aitken, b.13/5/1861, Robert, b.11/5/1863, and Elizabeth, b.3/8/1865.

Only the last two children, Thomas, b.4/41871 and Richard, b.12/5/1874, are legitimate.

So, at age 29, she's living in the Manse, a Seamstress, and a year later, by 1861 she's given birth to John Aitken, the first of their five children! And, she and John Aitken Snr, marry only six years later! Why? ???

Cheers

Danchaslyn

:)

Title: Re: Grace AITKEN, nee Tennant, Edinburgh
Post by: Danchaslyn on Saturday 25 April 09 11:13 BST (UK)

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Hi

Can anyone please tell me if John and Grace Aitken of West Linton, together brought up his three sons, from his first marriage, namely William Aitken, b.Penicuik, 31/10/1852, Archibald Aitken, b. Penicuik, 19/2/1855 and John Aitken, b.Penicuik, 8/3/1857, together, with their subsequent five children? ???

Also, any subsequent history on William, Archibald, and John, ....John Aitken snr's sons from his first marriage to Janet Bain? ???

Cheers

Danchaslyn

:)

Title: Re: Grace AITKEN, nee Tennant, Edinburgh
Post by: Akwaba on Saturday 25 April 09 12:17 BST (UK)

Old mother died in 1876

Title: Re: Grace AITKEN, nee Tennant, Edinburgh
Post by: saxonw. on Saturday 25 April 09 12:43 BST (UK)

That's very interesting the social mix of the road: you wouldn't get that in England. Back to what I said a little earlier dressmaker was often a euphemism for the oldest trade. A Not saying that is correct But history does have some ladies who were exceedingly successful but dressmakers who made dresses were exceedingly poor and usuallly tended to work in families or areas where there were many of them:often attached to dressshops. The odd thing is the boys names: I would ahv expected them to have her name when born if Mr Aitken doesn't turn up until later and although they may well be known as Aitken I would be surprised if that was the name when they were born. Have you checked any of the certificates?

Title: Re: Grace AITKEN, nee Tennant, Edinburgh
Post by: Danchaslyn on Saturday 25 April 09 12:47 BST (UK)

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Hi akwaaba

Absolutely mind boggling.......................but, again, thank you very, very much for all your hard work, time and trouble. ;D

What a lot of brain cells this is going to take to unravel...............mind you, jumping way ahead, I think John and Grace Aitken, Grace as a Draper, and her daughter, Elizabeth, a Draper also, end up at 9 Deansfoot Road, West Linton, Peeble-Shire, Scotland. (thanks to previous info from fellow Rootschatters), in my Aitken, Peebles Topic :D

I found on the www a bookshop at 9 Deansfoot Road, West Linton, currently, and Mrs A and margmo1 of Rootschat have given great assistance with localities. Could the Manse have been next door, or very, very close by? ??? Perhaps the United Presbyterian Church is still in West Linton to-day? ???

Grace's fourth child, and third son Thomas, became a Reverend, and his eldest son, Douglas Aitken, b. St Helena, became a medical doctor, and founder of a Presbyterian mission hospital, way in the bush, in South Africa. Adds up, don't you think?

Think you are absolutely right with the 1861 family, W Linton.

Thanks again

Danchaslyn

:)

Title: Re: Grace AITKEN, nee Tennant, Edinburgh
Post by: Danchaslyn on Saturday 25 April 09 12:55 BST (UK)

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Hi saxonw

You've just confirmed what I thought you meant yesterday, bout some dress shop ladies, I thought that is what you meant, but wasn't sure!!!! ;)

This searching is proving to be very difficult to fathom, and to follow, for pea brains like myself!!! ;D ;D

Please, please help me out.......I'm lost.... ???

Cheers in confusion

Danchaslyn

:)

P.S. - please, how about some simpler answers to simple questions, i.e John Aitken Snr's actual, full birthday???

Kidding!!

No, would love his birth date and all the rest, as confusing and colourful as it is!!!!! :) ???

Title: Re: Grace AITKEN, nee Tennant, Edinburgh
Post by: KirstyG on Saturday 25 April 09 13:16 BST (UK)

It might be a good idea for someone who has been participating in this thread to summarise (without violating copyright ::) ) What has been found so far and confirmed by documents to help anyone else who may wish to follow this family in future or help out just now. The copyright editor has just made it unreadable unfortunately...

Kirsty

Title: Re: Grace AITKEN, nee Tennant, Edinburgh
Post by: KirstyG on Saturday 25 April 09 13:27 BST (UK)

West Linton is now a conservation village and is pretty much as it was 100 years ago, so any addresses may well still be there.

http://www.west-linton.org.uk/

http://canmore.rcahms.gov.uk/en/site/204240/details/west+linton+former+united+presbyterian+church+manse/

http://www.scran.ac.uk/database/record.php?usi=000-000-495-041-C

Title: Re: Grace AITKEN, nee Tennant, Edinburgh
Post by: Danchaslyn on Saturday 25 April 09 14:22 BST (UK)

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KirstyG

Thanks for your support and your two postings.......................how lovely to hear that West Linton is as it is to-day and thank you for the links, much appreciated. ;D

I'm completely confused by the deletions, as nothing that was posted by any of the participants was in any way different, as I said, to whatever I've seen, anywhere, all over RootsChat. ???

As you said, what is left, you cannot work with, and I for one, have lost out completely, as I don't know, and now can't find, or follow up on anything, that was so helpfully posted by others. >:(

Just when I thought we were getting somewhere! 8)

Cheers

Danchaslyn
:)

Title: Re: Grace AITKEN, nee Tennant, Edinburgh
Post by: KirstyG on Saturday 25 April 09 16:12 BST (UK)

Rootschat copyright guidelines

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,37822.0.html

With regard to census entries if the original image is visable to someone, maybe they could do their own transcription of the relevent part. Posting the whole page is usually not allowed. Perhaps the relevant documents could be sent by email. The PM system is very useful for arranging such things :)

Kirsty

Title: Re: Grace AITKEN, nee Tennant, Edinburgh
Post by: Akwaba on Saturday 25 April 09 17:02 BST (UK)

Now could some kind person tell me how to get myself shot of RootsChat.com because that action is none too clear and I am not in a helpful mode and have removed 90% of the information on this topic

Title: Re: Grace AITKEN, nee Tennant, Edinburgh
Post by: KirstyG on Saturday 25 April 09 18:20 BST (UK)

As I understand it the rules roughly are that if you have obtained the information (such as a census entry) from a site that you have to pay for, where they have invested money in making their own transcriptions of the records then the copyright on the transcription belongs to them. So if you copy and paste it you are in breach of copyright.

If you get it from somewhere (such as Scotlands People) where you get an image of the original document then you are free to make your own transcription and post that.

It is always a good idea to mention crown copyright somewhere.

There have been many threads and discussions on this in various parts of the forum, and at the top of every board is a READ THIS FIRST COPYRIGHT post. If you have queries on what is and is not allowed I am sure you can check the FAQs etc or ask one of the Mods for clarification.

Kirsty

Title: Re: Grace AITKEN, nee Tennant, Edinburgh
Post by: Boongie Pam on Saturday 25 April 09 18:54 BST (UK)

The problem was the cut and pastes from Ancestry scottish census - sadly that breaks copyright rules and we need to protect the site from litigation - hence the removal of the copy and pastes.

Sorry this has upset you but it really isn't personal.

As previously mentioned transcribing from the original image is ok, but not copying a companies indexing.

Regards,
Pam

Title: Re: Grace AITKEN, nee Tennant, Edinburgh
Post by: Danchaslyn on Sunday 26 April 09 04:46 BST (UK)

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Hi

It seems to me, that once a RootsChat Moderator has censored a Topic, 99.9% of Members avoid the Topic like a plague..............have noticed this trend in other topics. ::)

Why? ???

Are 99.9 or whatever % of members not prepared to involve themselves in controversy? Are the members perhaps afraid of a similar fate? ???

Having a few days ago viewed, along with countless other members an image in 'Artefacts' clearly displaying the appendage, 'Copyright of Shropshire Archives', and countless other extracts, from what I would perceive as possibly being 'copyrighted' in 'Deciphering Help', and viewing member Akaaba's helpful and informative contributions to this post, as being from a source other than a 'paid for source', I find Boongie Pam's deletion actions, harsh in the extreme. >:(

Such extreme censorship is neither beneficial, nor productive to Members. :-X

I, for one, have no idea how now to progress this Topic in a positive and enlightening fashion. ???

Cheers

Danchaslyn

Title: Re: Grace AITKEN, nee Tennant, Edinburgh
Post by: saxonw. on Sunday 26 April 09 10:11 BST (UK)

Fascinating that mine was removed because I didn't just cut and paste I made substantial alterations and added several annotations. If I'd typed it out verbatim then it that OK . I can't remember ever what it was I looked up for you. When I got time (which Unfortuanately I haven't a the moment:) I will pm it to you.

Title: Re: Grace AITKEN, nee Tennant, Edinburgh
Post by: Boongie Pam on Sunday 26 April 09 10:20 BST (UK)

Just to be clear I did not delete. That was a copyright editor who is an expert in this matter. I will however point them to the threads you describe.

The rules are clearly posted around the site I do not see how it is aiding the original question debating.

Title: Re: Grace AITKEN, nee Tennant, Edinburgh
Post by: KirstyG on Sunday 26 April 09 12:41 BST (UK)

Ignoring all the confusing sidelines and speculation I have tried to summarise what has been found so far. I am aware there are a few gaps ( 1861 census?)

If anyone would care to fill in the missing pieces, citing sources if possible to help others who might want to trace this family.

As far as I know posting links is fine ;)

it's a long list so I will post again...

Kirsty

Title: Re: Grace AITKEN, nee Tennant, Edinburgh
Post by: KirstyG on Sunday 26 April 09 12:44 BST (UK)

Grace Tennant, b. Edinburgh, 1831, d. 16/10/1910, married John Aitken, b. 1826-7?, a sawyer of Kirkurd, d.1913, Newington?

"GRACE TENNANT married JOHN AITKEN on the 19 AUG 1867 in
West Linton, Peebles, Scotland "

Who were Grace's parents please?
Robert Tennant
Mothers surname begins with L
Probably Liddel?

Who were John's parents please?
They may be listed on his death certificate or marriage certificate to Grace.

John Aitken had been married before, but I have no details of his first wife, or where and when wed?

Janet Bain married 14th March 1852 West Linton

I have details of his first two sons, William Aitken, b. 1853 and Archibald, b.1855, possibly at Penicuik, or Bridgehouse Mile, West Lothian? Would welcome more details on them?

William     ch. 31st October 1852
Archibald b. 15th February 1855
John b. 8th March 1857

Archibald's 1855 Birth certificate will have a lot of information on it. Worth purchasing from Scotlands People.

In a later post I can go into details of John and Grace Aitken's children.
Extracted records from IGI

John    b. 13th May 1861 West Linton
Robert    b. 11th May 1863 West Linton
Elizabeth b. 3rd August 1865 West Linton
Thomas    b. 4th April 1871 West Linton
Richard    b. 12th May 1874 West Linton

Rev Thomas Aitken, Baptist Prison Chaplain on the Island of St Helena, then Gen Secretary or whatever they call it, of the Baptist Church, South Africa
Richard Aitken, Bank Clerk at age 16? On "Ethiopia" from Glasgow - New York 8th April 1891
Sir Robert Aitken, Banker in India, became Governor of Imperial Bank of India

Census records
1841
"Civil Parish of Edinburgh Lady Yester Midlothian
Royal Infirmary

Grace Tennant
10 yrs old 1831 born Scotland
Father Cow Feeder"

1881
Possibly listed as Grace Pratt Aitken?
with Richard Aitken age 1 and Elizabeth age 25?

Title: Re: Grace AITKEN, nee Tennant, Edinburgh
Post by: Boongie Pam on Sunday 26 April 09 13:40 BST (UK)

Quote from: KirstyG on Sunday 26 April 09 12:44 BST (UK)

"GRACE TENNANT married JOHN AITKEN on the 19 AUG 1867 in
West Linton, Peebles, Scotland "

Who were Grace's parents please?
Robert Tennant
Mothers surname begins with L
Probably Liddel?

Who were John's parents please?
They may be listed on his death certificate or marriage certificate to Grace.

I have paid for the marriage cert and transcribed below:

Confirmed it is a 2nd marriage for John but says first for Grace.

1867
on the 19th day of August at West Linton

After Banns according to the United Presbytarian Church

[signed]
John Aitken age 41
Sawyer

Widower

[signed]
Grace Tennant age 36
Sampstress (think should be seamtress)

Spinster

John's parents are William Aitken joiner (deceased) and Jane Aitken m.s. Veitch (deceased)

Grace's parent's are not listed.

Both bride and groom resident in West Linton, Peebleshire.

Witnesses Thomas Ritchie Wear & Maggie Coutts.

Title: Re: Grace AITKEN, nee Tennant, Edinburgh
Post by: Boongie Pam on Sunday 26 April 09 14:20 BST (UK)

William Aitken and Jane Veitch show a marriage entry in Canongate on the 27/11/1816.

The only OPR record for these two - Searched for surname Aitken parents names Will* & Ve*

John Aitken 30/04/1826 Kirkurd, Peebleshire (parents William Aitken and JEAN Veitch)

You would need to view these images to see if they gave any info such as occupation to confirm they are the same couple.

Title: Re: Grace AITKEN, nee Tennant, Edinburgh
Post by: Danchaslyn on Sunday 26 April 09 14:25 BST (UK)

:)

Hi

Firstly to reply, in order of seniority......Boongie Pam, I'm sorry I incorrectly assumed it was you who was responsible for the deletions.

As it was the Copyright Editor, and quite a few members are disgruntled, I would appreciate him coming out from behind his desk, assuming responsibility and possibly re-instating, those carefully thought out, and hard worked upon posts, on this thread, made by the members who took the time and trouble, to precis from other sites and post, not cut and paste.

For members to feel undermined and upset, can only cause a complete lack of confidence in this site, and tarnish the reputation, causing some, to migrate elsewhere.

Quite obviously this is counter productive and negates all the wonderful, warm, caring help given by the majority on this site, for which, I for one, I am extremely grateful.

Kirsty G, what a wonderful, kind effort you have made in reconstructing what you can.....we all know there was a lot more, and I can see that you with all good intentions are repeating some of what is already known, and posted on other threads, such as Aitken, Peeble-Shire. Thank you. :D

saxonw, thank you......................also, in an earlier post on this thread, you mentioned John & Grace Aitken's youngest son, Richard, leaving for the USA, by ship. Richard is a mystery man, and I would love, if possible, as much info on him as possible please? The clue is banking....... 8)

Thank you

Danchaslyn

:)

Title: Re: Grace AITKEN, nee Tennant, Edinburgh
Post by: Boongie Pam on Sunday 26 April 09 14:57 BST (UK)

All:

Please note much of the information requested and recieved on this thread is a duplication here...
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,370337.0.html

Danchaslyn,

As I previously stated there are many many posts on a daily basis which volunteers need to scan for copyright infringements. Users themselves are responsible for their actions and the rules are clearly displayed on the site.

I am tempted to ask you to complete this thread as there is a risk that users are spending money on information you already have from your other threads. (I paid for a marriage cert you had already recieved detail from on a Peebles thread).

To ensure you recieve the new information you need please state the questions you are curious to solve and people will try their best. Any continued debate on copyright will be deleted.

Regards,
Pam

Title: Re: Grace AITKEN, nee Tennant, Edinburgh
Post by: KirstyG on Sunday 26 April 09 15:05 BST (UK)

From IGI (extracted)

ANN ch. 23rd September 1821 Kirkurd, Peebles. Parents William Atkin and Jean Veitch
MARION 23rd may 1824 Kirkurd, Peebles. Parents William Aitkin and Jean Veitch
JOHN 30th April 1826 Kirkurd, Peebles. Parents William Aitken and Jean Veitch

Spellings seem to vary quite a bit, even in the same parish within 2 years ::)

Jean/Jane/Janet can be interchangable.

Title: Re: Grace AITKEN, nee Tennant, Edinburgh
Post by: saxonw. on Sunday 26 April 09 16:22 BST (UK)

Not sure if it is the one on the Ethiopia as he is a Scottish mason with atick against his name for age.... but then the mason was also a tick from the chap two above: Sometimes I think 19 C pursers were lazy. Will Investigate further.
I tlooks as if that Richard Aitken is 24 (not 74 as transcribed ) and an engineer

Title: Re: Grace AITKEN, nee Tennant, Edinburgh
Post by: saxonw. on Sunday 26 April 09 16:24 BST (UK)

ARe you sure Richard was his first name as ther is a Matthew R Atiken aged22 arriving in NY in 1896 (another engineer)

Title: Re: Grace AITKEN, nee Tennant, Edinburgh
Post by: saxonw. on Sunday 26 April 09 16:32 BST (UK)

Do you think he went to the States? A lot of Scottish clerks went out East to run the Empire

Title: Re: Grace AITKEN, nee Tennant, Edinburgh
Post by: Danchaslyn on Monday 27 April 09 11:11 BST (UK)

Quote from: Boongie Pam on Sunday 26 April 09 14:57 BST (UK)

All:

Please note much of the information requested and received on this thread is a duplication here...
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,370337.0.html

Danchaslyn,

As I previously stated there are many many posts on a daily basis which volunteers need to scan for copyright infringements. Users themselves are responsible for their actions and the rules are clearly displayed on the site.

I am tempted to ask you to complete this thread as there is a risk that users are spending money on information you already have from your other threads. (I paid for a marriage cert you had already recieved detail from on a Peebles thread).

To ensure you recieve the new information you need please state the questions you are curious to solve and people will try their best. Any continued debate on copyright will be deleted.

Regards,
Pam

:)

Hi Pam

If I could complete the post, I wouldn't have asked the initial question.........and, all my subsequent questions in this thread have been specific, and I'm most grateful for all help received. ;)

Volunteers are always due hearfelt thanks. ;D

Cheers

Danchaslyn
:)

Title: Re: Grace AITKEN, nee Tennant, Edinburgh
Post by: Danchaslyn on Monday 27 April 09 11:26 BST (UK)

:)

Hi Saxonw

Thank you for all your hard work on Richard Aitkens. As I said, I'm so keen to have info on John and Grace Aitken's , fifth child, Richard Aitken, b.12/5/1874, as he appears to have disappeared from the family. ::)

As you say, saxonw, so many went to India to make their fortunes.......and this is exactly what Robert Aitken, Richard's elder brother did. He and Richard, had worked together as young clerks in a Scottish bank, nr Edinburgh (don't know which one), and Robert left for India (I have just about enough I think that anyone could help with on Robert Aitken and family), and we know that Richard Aitken, left Scotland, but where for? ???

As there are American cousins, the Yuills and the Batemans around, and as he is the only child of John and Grace Aitken, Richard must have been the one to go to America, or possibly Canada, but have no definite proof of this. :(

Cheers

Danchaslyn

:)

Title: Re: Grace AITKEN, nee Tennant, Edinburgh
Post by: Danchaslyn on Monday 27 April 09 11:35 BST (UK)

:)

Hi KirstyG

Thank you very much for the details on John Aitken and his siblings and his parents names. ;D Do you perhaps have details please of his parents' William Aitken and Jane Veitch's dates of birth and places of birth? ???

How very confusing that sometimes the names were so interchangeable! >:( Especially with so many Aitkens around, be they in Midlothian, Peeble-Shire, Lanarkshire etc etc ;)

Cheers

Danchaslyn

:)

Title: Re: Grace AITKEN, nee Tennant, Edinburgh
Post by: KirstyG on Monday 27 April 09 12:14 BST (UK)

Hi :)

From the 1851 census record that Joekar found for you on the Peebleshire thread I see that William was 56 and Jane 59, so that would be about 1795 birth for William and 1792 for Jane. This may not tally up with other census records though, so it's only a rough guide.

As they lived past 1851, they may well have lived into the period of statutory registration and their death certificates should contain their age and parents names. These can be purchased from Scotlands People.

There is a possible birth on the IGI, but you should check it against the death certificate.

William Aitken Christening 16th April 1794 West Linton
Parents James Aitken and Christian White

Kirsty

Title: Re: Grace AITKEN, nee Tennant, Edinburgh
Post by: Danchaslyn on Monday 27 April 09 12:33 BST (UK)

:)

Hi KirstyG

Thank you for those details, much appreciated, especially as I realised that it gets harder and harder, the further back you go. :D

As you say, the death certificates of both William Aitken and Jane Veitch will give the next clues. ???

The William Aitken christening details for are fascinating! Thank you. 8)

cheers

Danchaslyn

:)

Title: Re: Grace AITKEN, nee Tennant, Edinburgh
Post by: Danchaslyn on Monday 27 April 09 19:32 BST (UK)

:)

Hi

Quote from: Danchaslyn on Saturday 25 April 09 11:13 BST (UK)

:)

Hi

Can anyone please tell me if John and Grace Aitken of West Linton, together brought up his three sons, from his first marriage, namely William Aitken, b.Penicuik, 31/10/1852, Archibald Aitken, b. Penicuik, 19/2/1855 and John Aitken, b.Penicuik, 8/3/1857, together, with their subsequent five children? ???

Also, any subsequent history on William, Archibald, and John, ....John Aitken snr's sons from his first marriage to Janet Bain? ???

Cheers

Danchaslyn

:)

John Aitken married Janet Bain, his first wife, would anyone know when, and where please? ??? Or any of the answers to the above questions?

Cheers

Danchaslyn

:)

Title: Re: Grace AITKEN, nee Tennant, Edinburgh
Post by: Little Nell on Monday 27 April 09 22:45 BST (UK)

Quote

John Aitken married Janet Bain, his first wife, would anyone know when, and where please?

The marriage was proclaimed two parishes and both records are included on the IGI. Confirmation (and images) can be found on the ScotlandsPeople website - pay-per-view, but not overly expensive.

Nell

Title: Re: Grace AITKEN, nee Tennant, Edinburgh
Post by: KirstyG on Monday 27 April 09 22:58 BST (UK)

Janet Bain married John Aitken 14th March 1852 West Linton ( from IGI extracted)

From FreeCen:

John Aitken b 1857 is not on the 1861 census with his father, grandmother, aunt and brothers. He may have died which would explain the naming of another son John a few years later.

There is a probable match on SP in West Linton 1857 mothers maiden name Bain. Also match for Janet Bain death 1857 West Linton.

1871 census shows John and Grace Aitken in West Linton, Village West Side, with William 18 Joiner apprentice, John 9, Robert 7, Elizabeth 5 all scholars, plus a servant and a boarder.

So at least William was still living with his father.

No sign of Archibald yet.

Kirsty

Title: Re: Grace AITKEN, nee Tennant, Edinburgh
Post by: Danchaslyn on Tuesday 28 April 09 12:45 BST (UK)

:)

Hello Little Nell

Thank you for posting, glad to meet you. ;)

Great news that the marriage details are easy to find. I'm not sure what it means when the marriage was proclaimed in two parishes, ....would this usually be done in possibly the bride's parish, and also the grooms?
???
Thank you :D

Nell

:)

Title: Re: Grace AITKEN, nee Tennant, Edinburgh
Post by: Danchaslyn on Tuesday 28 April 09 12:59 BST (UK)

:)

KirstyG

From the bottom of my heart, thank you.................can't tell you how much it means to me, your courage, tenacity, perseverance and, on top of all that, you are a STAR at finding out fascinating info! ;D

This tree is growing and growing!

What a clever idea that possibly son John Aitken from the first marriage died, hence a son from the second marriage also being named John, makes perfect sense.

So William was with the step-family in West Linton, but, as you say, no sign of Archibald yet???? Hope he didn't die also?! ???

Whats interesting, is that in the 1871 Census you say, thank you, who is living together, and at that stage, the two last born, namely Thomas and Richard, the only legitimate children of the second marriage, haven't yet been born, although Thomas was almost due! ;)

I still can't imagine why John and Grace Aitken didn't marry until 1867, after their first three children were born?????

Cheers

Danchaslyn

:)

Title: Re: Grace AITKEN, nee Tennant, Edinburgh
Post by: mamakaz on Tuesday 28 April 09 19:07 BST (UK)

hi everyone, xx

hi linnea, i have an archibald aitken here in 1871 census,
the name veitch rings a bell???

in the 1871 Scotland Census Archibald Aitken 16yrs 1855,
says he is a Boarder, born in Peniwick, Midlothian
says he is a Grocer's Apprentice
other people in the house are... Isabella Jack 74, Margaret D Jack 32
John Robertson 22 , Ann D Robertson 21, Duncan McRethen 18,
Archibald Aitken 16, Sarah Veitch 73

Title: Re: Grace AITKEN, nee Tennant, Edinburgh
Post by: Danchaslyn on Tuesday 28 April 09 19:23 BST (UK)

:)

Hi Mamakaz

Are you Sherlock Holmes, or what?!! thank you and well done ;D ;D

Some more personal news on John Aitken's son Archibald, from his first marriage! ;)

Veitch, yes, Jane or Janet, married William Aitken, i.e. Archibald Aitken's paternal grandmother. :D

So, Sarah Veitch, 74, maybe Archibalds' Great aunt, what do you think Mamakaz? ???

And what an assortment of other folk in the house, wonder if it was a grocer's shop and they all lived and worked there together? ???

Cheers

Danchaslyn

:)

Title: Re: Grace AITKEN, nee Tennant, Edinburgh
Post by: Danchaslyn on Tuesday 28 April 09 19:32 BST (UK)

:)

Just a thought, maybe Isabella Jack and (her daughter?), Margaret D Jack, and Sarah Veitch together run the grocer's shop? :D

Archibald Aitken, apprenticed to them? and the others, are either staff, or family staying in the same premises? :D

Mamakaz do you have the grocer's shop address please? ???

Cheers

Danchaslyn

:)

Title: Re: Grace AITKEN, nee Tennant, Edinburgh
Post by: mamakaz on Tuesday 28 April 09 19:41 BST (UK)

the address is
10 Common Stair, County: Midlothian

veitch is not a common name, so maybe she is a relation,

http://www.surnamedb.com/surname.aspx?name=Veitch

ill see if i can find a link, x

Title: Re: Grace AITKEN, nee Tennant, Edinburgh
Post by: Danchaslyn on Tuesday 28 April 09 19:47 BST (UK)

:)

Hello Mamakaz

Thank you again..................I suppose the address is in Edinburgh, as it seems like a street and then the county only? ??? or maybe its in, or near Penicuick? ???

And, as you say, not many Veitchs around! ;)

Cheers

Danchaslyn

:)

xx

Title: Re: Grace AITKEN, nee Tennant, Edinburgh
Post by: mamakaz on Tuesday 28 April 09 20:24 BST (UK)

linnea, x
ive sent you a pm with the info,

Title: Re: Grace AITKEN, nee Tennant, Edinburgh
Post by: Danchaslyn on Tuesday 28 April 09 21:03 BST (UK)

:)

Hi Mamakaz

And thank you............................Veitch being a rareish surname, there has to be a link, from Archibald Aitken, to possibly, Sarah Veitch, but what is it?

Jane Veitch, his paternal grandmother was born, 1791-2. I think the info you PM is correct?? ???

cheers

Danchaslyn

:)

Title: Re: Grace AITKEN, nee Tennant, Edinburgh
Post by: Danchaslyn on Tuesday 28 April 09 21:16 BST (UK)

:)

Hi Mamakaz

Back to Janet Bain, first wife of John Aitken....they were married 14 March, 1852, as Little Nell said, the marriage was proclaimed in two parishes (which?), and the poor woman died 1857. :-\

Don't know yet, when, or how, but assuming she may have died in childbirth, during her third child's delivery? ???

Children born: William Aitken, b. 31/10/1852 - Penicuick

Archibald Aitken, b. 15/2/1855 - Penicuick

John Aitken, b.8/3/1857 - West Linton

So, did Janet Aitken die 8/3/1857, giving birth to John, and did he die then to? :'(

Cheers

Danchaslyn

:)

Title: Re: Grace AITKEN, nee Tennant, Edinburgh
Post by: mamakaz on Tuesday 28 April 09 22:17 BST (UK)

ok, i found an archibald aitken b 1855 born in scotland
in the 1891 England Census
wifes name Christina living in Grange, Durham, England
Christina Aitken 33, Elizabeth Aitken 11, Robert Aitken 6,Christina Aitken 4
Archibald Aitken 3, William Aitken 1, Mary Aitken 2/12

this could be archi, maybe he went to england?

Title: Re: Grace AITKEN, nee Tennant, Edinburgh
Post by: Danchaslyn on Tuesday 28 April 09 22:29 BST (UK)

:)

Mamakaz

This is brilliant.......... ;D

And it's amazing how one clue can jog memory................we have cousins, from way back from Durham, England, some now I know of in N.Yorkshire, from this family, and I always thought they were from the American cousin side of the family, but perhaps not??!! :o

So, if this is our Archibald, I also remember Mamakaz, you mentioning before the possibility of Christina or Christian White being an Aitken? ;)

And look who you turned up here...........Archibald and Christina! ;D

Do you know what job he was doing? The Durham and N. Yorkshire cousins, were bankers, just like Robert Aitken and John Ellis Aitken in India, and Richard, but Richard still 'lost'?

Just brill, well done.... :D

Cheers

Danchaslyn

:)

Title: Re: Grace AITKEN, nee Tennant, Edinburgh
Post by: Little Nell on Tuesday 28 April 09 22:29 BST (UK)

Quote

the marriage was proclaimed in two parishes (which?),

The IGI, available to search free here:

http://www.familysearch.org/

provides the answer. Marriage records in Scotland were often just the record of the proclamations of the intent to marry in the home parish of the bride and the groom. So the fact that there are two records in different parish indicates that the couple were resident in different parishes at the time of their marriage.

Veitch is not overly rare as a name - there are over 1200 people with the surname recorded on the 1881 census in Scotland.

Archibald is in Edinburgh in 1881, married to a Christina, with a 1 year old daughter. He is listed as a grocer's porter living in the household of James Veitch, a cooper, and his wife, at 10 South College Street. (ref: GROS 685/4 ED62 p 10)

William and his wife are living at 21 Upper Grove Place in Edinburgh (ref GROS 685/1 ED 74 p29).

If you view the death certificate of Janet Aitken nee Bain from 1857 (available on ScotlandsPeople: http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk ), it will give the cause of death, together with her parents' names. The site is pay per view but you do at least get to see the information on the certificate for a relatively small sum.

Nell

Title: Re: Grace AITKEN, nee Tennant, Edinburgh
Post by: Danchaslyn on Tuesday 28 April 09 22:47 BST (UK)

:)

Hello Little Nell

What a comprehensive posting, thank you so much. Firstly, need to explain, when I can I will attempt to buy Janet Bain's death cert, but where I live, I can only get dial-up internet, which is incredibly, painfully slow, and almost impossible to do downloads etc. :(

Yes, I thought it possible that two marriage proclamations would indicate bride and groom living in two different parishes, so I thank you for that to. :D

Thank you for telling me where William and Archibald are living in Edinburgh, separately, in 1881, and as Archibald is living in a Veitch household (amazing how that surname keeps popping up!), he looks poised to take off to Durham, as Mamakaz has discovered.

What a lot of Aitkens, all over the place...........!! ::)

This tree is slowly unravelling.......

Cheers

Danchaslyn

:)

Title: Re: Grace AITKEN, nee Tennant, Edinburgh
Post by: mamakaz on Tuesday 28 April 09 22:56 BST (UK)

yep, its deffo archi then, i sent you all the info pls documents in email linnea, x

1901 England Census Archibald and Cristina aitkins kids...

Robert Aitken 16 ,Christina Aitken 14,Archibald Aitken 13, William Aitken 11
Mary Aitken 10, John Aitken 8, Grace Aitken 6, Helen Aitken 4, Violet Aitken 1
Lily Aitken 11 Mo,

Elizabeth Bertram 21 / daughter
Norman Bertram 2 / grandson
Christian Bertram 1 / grandson
Alexander Jack 25 / boarder

cant find the family in the 1911 england census, i wonder if they went back to scotland?

Title: Re: Grace AITKEN, nee Tennant, Edinburgh
Post by: Danchaslyn on Tuesday 28 April 09 23:02 BST (UK)

:)

Hello Mamakaz

My goodness, but Archibald and Christina decided it was cheaper by the dozen!! ;)

AND, all the usual family names, just to help confuse us all!! >:(

How on earth are we going to discover which of all these children is the parent of the cousins?????!!!!!!!!

I'll check emails in a min, but in the meanwhile, again, thank you very, very much........ ;D

Cheers

Danchaslyn

xx

Title: Re: Grace AITKEN, nee Tennant, Edinburgh
Post by: Danchaslyn on Tuesday 28 April 09 23:07 BST (UK)

:)

Mamakaz

I don't know if they went back to Scotland??????? and, of course, no 1911 Census for us there to look at! ???

Maybe they went to USA???!!!! Somehow or other the American cousins, obviously have to have come from someone in the UK?!

But, would anyone emigrate with SO many children and grandchildren in tow? ::)

xx

Title: Re: Grace AITKEN, nee Tennant, Edinburgh
Post by: mamakaz on Tuesday 28 April 09 23:17 BST (UK)

ive just found them, looks like archi must have died or left coz there is only...

christina as head,
archibald/son 23yrs blast furnace, william 21yrs/ son blast furnace,
mary 20yrs/ daughter laundry maid, john 18yrs/son blast furnace,
helen 14yrs/daughter, violet 12yrs/daughter, lily 10yrs/daughter,
marjory 5yrs/daugh, alexandr jack boarder

Title: Re: Grace AITKEN, nee Tennant, Edinburgh
Post by: Danchaslyn on Tuesday 28 April 09 23:34 BST (UK)

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Mamakaz

I'm gettin to tired to concentrate....................BUT, amazing, please check out your posting of 17.01 to-day and you will see the Jack ladies, with Archibald as a young apprentice grocer....................and, mostly through Archibald's adult life and as head of a household, he has, wait for it, Alexander JACK AS A BOARDER!!! ::)

Also, I've seen the name Isabella somewhere in our Aitkens before,........can't concentrate enough now to try to link up? :(

And, which town are they in with Christina now as head of household on her own please?
What on earth happened to Arch? ???

Cheers

Danchaslyn

:)

Title: Re: Grace AITKEN, nee Tennant, Edinburgh
Post by: mamakaz on Tuesday 28 April 09 23:39 BST (UK)

lol, all the same names keep popping up,

the address was...

13 Chapel Road Jarrow, County Durham, south sheilds,

me too, im soooo sleepy, but we found out alot today, thanks everyone,
night all, xxxx

Title: Re: Grace AITKEN, nee Tennant, Edinburgh
Post by: Danchaslyn on Tuesday 28 April 09 23:46 BST (UK)

:)

Got it...............William Ramsay, married Isabella, sometime between 1871 and 1881???

In Penicuick!

Mamakaz, thank you for the address.

As you say, so great to find out so much to-day, thank you all........

Night, night

xxxx

Title: Re: Grace AITKEN, nee Tennant, Edinburgh
Post by: mamakaz on Wednesday 29 April 09 15:29 BST (UK)

Afternoon every one, x

ok, think i have our archibalds death reg

reg jan/feb/march 1935

archibald aitken, south sheilds

47yrs 10a 855,

Title: Re: Grace AITKEN, nee Tennant, Edinburgh
Post by: Danchaslyn on Wednesday 29 April 09 15:55 BST (UK)

:)

Mamakaz

Thank you for Archibald's death reg and dying so young, that would certainly explain his disappearing off that Census as head of the household?! :(

Is South Shields anywhere near Durham? ::)

Cheers

Danchaslyn

:)

Title: Re: Grace AITKEN, nee Tennant, Edinburgh
Post by: Little Nell on Wednesday 29 April 09 22:44 BST (UK)

Um, I don't think so. This must be the son of Archibald & Christina. Archibald senior would appear to be dead by 1911, but I can't be certain without seeing the transcript.

Nell

Title: Re: Grace AITKEN, nee Tennant, Edinburgh
Post by: mamakaz on Thursday 30 April 09 09:29 BST (UK)

yep, i think your right nell,

i was looking for a death reg for my charles bruce aitken, i searched from 1923-1942, (boring) along the way i found lots of aitkens in south shields/durham and copied them down for future reference, here is the list,

reg jan/feb/march 1935

archibald aitken south sheilds

47yrs 10a 855

............................

reg jan/feb/march 1935

thomas aitken, durham

78yrs 10a 430

............................

reg apr/may/june 1931

robert m aitken, south sheilds

46yrs 10a 840

............................

reg apr/may/june 1930

allen aitken, south shields

7yrs 10a 680

............................

reg jan/feb/march 1937

catherine aitken, south sheilds

2yrs 10a 891

.............................

reg apr/may/june 1937

james aitken, south sheilds

58yrs 10a 761

............................

reg jan/feb/mar 1929

archibald aitken, south sheilds

16yrs 10a 1263

...........................

reg jan/feb/mar 1929

stanley aitken, south sheilds

1yrs 10a 1216

...........................

reg july/aug/sept 1929

elizabeth aitken, south sheilds

58yrs 10a 743

...........................

reg july/aug/sept 1929

john w aitken, south sheilds

60yrs 10a 738

...........................

reg oct/nov/dec 1929

eleanor j aitken, south sheilds

53yrs 10a 769

..........................

reg jan/feb/march 1927

clara aitken, south sheilds

1yrs 10a 1053

........................

reg apr/may/june 1926

alice aitken, south sheilds

45yrs 10a 853a

.......................

reg july/aug.sept 1926

christina aitken, south sheilds

67yrs 10a 678

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reg oct/nov/dec 1926

mary aitken, south sheilds

2yrs 10a 771

........................

reg july/aug/sept 1923

david aitken, south sheilds

57yrs 10a 671

........................

reg july/aug/sept 1939

john aitken, durham n

73yrs 10a 603

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reg july/aug/sept 1939

margaret aitken, durham se

61yrs 10a 128

.......................

and i did at last find ( what i think is) my granadad in 1942,
kaz, x

Title: Re: Grace AITKEN, nee Tennant, Edinburgh
Post by: Danchaslyn on Thursday 30 April 09 10:06 BST (UK)

:)

Little Nell

And Mamakaz, yes, you must be right, Mamakaz's posting of Archibald's death, must be the Jnr Archibald.......... ;)

And, yes, I found that South Shields isn't far from Durham 8)

cheers

Danchaslyn

:)

Title: Re: Grace AITKEN, nee Tennant, Edinburgh
Post by: Danchaslyn on Thursday 30 April 09 10:12 BST (UK)

:)

Morning Mamakaz

Thank you for the huge list of Aitken's, South Shields..........what an extensive family this is! ::)

AND..................so happy for you, that you have at last found your Grandad!!!! ;D ;D

Happy hunting

Cheers

Danchaslyn

:)

Title: Re: Grace AITKEN, nee Tennant, Edinburgh
Post by: mamakaz on Thursday 30 April 09 10:25 BST (UK)

morning Dan, x

it takes ages to go through every quarter of every year, i think my mind must have been scrabbled when i thought that was archi, lol

and yes, i think i found my Charles, i was suprised to find a C B Aitken death registered in my neck of the woods (about 3 miles away) the death age fits,
i might pop down to the reg office and pick up the death cert, x

Title: Re: Grace AITKEN, nee Tennant, Edinburgh
Post by: Danchaslyn on Thursday 30 April 09 10:43 BST (UK)

:)

Mamakaz

You have the spirit and tenacity to keep going and you deserve to have found the huge clue you were searching for.................you have a reg office nearby? Thats great! ;D

You are also a wonderful and inspirtional help to others, thank you for all your help. :D

Can't tell you how much I'm crossing fingers for you that its the C B Aitken you are looking for ;)

cheers

Danchaslyn

:)

Title: Re: Grace AITKEN, nee Tennant, Edinburgh
Post by: Danchaslyn on Thursday 30 April 09 10:45 BST (UK)

:)

Mamakaz

Sorry, 'inspirational'................ ;)

*

Cheers

Danchaslyn

:)

Title: Re: Grace AITKEN, nee Tennant, Edinburgh
Post by: mamakaz on Friday 01 May 09 10:29 BST (UK)

Good morning, x

i got carried away yesterday on the plant side of my family, i have loads to write up now,
on my travels around the net i found this...

in my own words.....

Agnes AITKEN was born in 1773 in Kircudbrightshire, Scotland
she died in Three Rivers, PEI, Canada,
and the story goes...

Agnes went missing while walking across the ice from Murray Harbour.
unfortunatly a storm was brewing and poor Agnes was never seen again.
There is however a memorial to her on Panmure Island, but its not known
if her body was found and interred.

Agnes's parents were John AITKEN born 1729 in Greenhill, Auchenhay, Kirkcudbrightshire,
and Margaret LOUDEN b: 1739
..................................................

how interesting, poor Agnes, its nothing to do with the thread but i thought id post it, dont know how true it is, x

Title: Re: Grace AITKEN, nee Tennant, Edinburgh
Post by: Danchaslyn on Friday 01 May 09 16:00 BST (UK)

:)

Hi Mamakaz

What a quaint and amazing story, and thank you so much for posting it, ......poor Agnes Aitken! :-\

And, yet another John Aitken , as her father! :(

Kirkcudbrightshire.........again, need to look into the geography and see how close it is to Midlothian and maybe Peeble-Shire, and Lanark?? ::) Could be interesting. ;D

Good luck, with your Plants..................

Cheers and thanks

Danchaslyn

:)

Title: Re: Grace AITKEN, nee Tennant, Edinburgh
Post by: KirstyG on Friday 01 May 09 17:24 BST (UK)

A very useful map for the location of Scottish Counties (and a very useful website overall) is here:

http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/sct/sct_cmap.html

Kirkcudbright is on the west coast (far south), while Midlothian is on the east coast, so they are not very close at all. Lanark and Peebles are on the south/west side of Midlothian.

Kirsty

Title: Re: Grace AITKEN, nee Tennant, Edinburgh
Post by: Danchaslyn on Friday 01 May 09 19:53 BST (UK)

:)

Hi KirstyG

Thank you for the help with the locations and the very helpful link......... :D

Not phazed by Kirkcudbrightshire being on the W. Coast...........thats good for us, as Grace Aitken, nee Tennant, left Edinburgh, after marriage and moved to Kirkurd, Peebles-Shire, later on to West Linton, Peebles-Shire. ;)

So, both Mamakaz's and my Aitkens might well, as far back as Agnes Aitken's father John Aitken, descend from him, or near members of his family? Who knows? ???

Another journey of discovery awaits! 8)

cheers

Danchaslyn

:)

Title: Re: Grace AITKEN, nee Tennant, Edinburgh
Post by: Danchaslyn on Thursday 21 May 09 21:40 BST (UK)

:)

As per kind information of weech..........

Grace Aitken's, nee Tennant, daughter-in-law, Lady Caroline Aitken, widow of Grace's second son, Sir Robert Aitken, returned to England, from India, to live, 1936, on board the "City of Shimla". 8)

Her destination abode was given as Arden House, West Byflet, Surrey, England.

It is thought that Lady Aitken died shortly afterwards, but we do not have her death details and any help would be much appreciated? ???

Cheers

Danchaslyn

:)

Title: Re: Grace AITKEN, nee Tennant, Edinburgh
Post by: Danchaslyn on Monday 25 May 09 20:06 BST (UK)

:)

As per kind info from "weech"........

The below is about John & Grace Aitken's, grandaughter, Marjorie Grace Aitken, sister to John Ellis Aitken, both grandchildren, although born in Bombay, India, spent most of their childhoods, living and being educated, by John & Grace, in West Linton, Scotland.

Cutting from The Times of India, undated:

FASHIONABLE BOMBAY WEDDING

The wedding of the week in Bombay has been at Malabar Hill, of Marjorie Grace Aitken, daughter of Lady Aitken and the late Sir Robert Aitken, to Lieutenant Charles Elliot Bleck, of the 2nd Sherwood Forresters. Wedding dress is then described and mention made that the wedding was held at All Saints Church.

Cheers

Danchaslyn

:)

Title: Re: Grace AITKEN, nee Tennant, Edinburgh
Post by: Danchaslyn on Saturday 06 June 09 17:59 BST (UK)

:)

Am searching for details of the third son of John and Grace Aitken, Thomas Aitken, b. 1871?

The last trace I have of him in Scotland is as living in the home of Janet Steele, during the 1891 Census, as a Boarder, and working as a Joiner. He was age 20. This was in Cambusmethan, Wishaw, Lanarkshire.

I don't know any details of Janet Steele and would appreciate any, perhaps she is a relative? ???

Sometime mid-1896, Thomas Aitken left the UK, as a Baptist Union Missionary, for the island of St Vincent, Cape Verde Islands. 8)

I'm curious for any details of Thomas' life between 1891 - 1896? ???

Where was it that he trained as a missionary? did he attend the Wishaw Baptist Church? ???

Cheers

Danchaslyn

:)

Title: Re: Grace AITKEN, nee Tennant, Edinburgh
Post by: baitken on Tuesday 30 June 09 12:49 BST (UK)

This is amazing!! I have just been directed to this site, and there is so much here I haven't had time to read it all thoroughly.

My name is Robert AITKEN. My great grandmother was Grace AITKEN, and my grandfather Robert. For more than 35 years I have been researching my family, and have an almost complete record going back to about 1750.

Inevitably some records have escaped me, and it looks like i might find some missing entries here.

I cannot even start to lay out our history here; I have pages and pages of details. In time I would hope to correct in small packets some of the mis-information I have seen, and add some more. But meantime, if anyone is desperate for info please let me knowand I'll see if I can help. I do have photos of Sir Robert if anyone is interested.

Give me a little time though, I'm waiting for a cardiac op shortly, and I don't want to rush around too much at the moment and fall off my perch.

Finally, do I have any family out there?

Title: Re: Grace AITKEN, nee Tennant, Edinburgh
Post by: Danchaslyn on Tuesday 30 June 09 13:40 BST (UK)

:)

Well, well, well, Robert, welcome to RootsChat and I can hardly imagine how you are feeling, having chanced on this topic! ;D

Firstly, you do indeed have family, myself and Weech are cousins of yours! ;D ;D
There's also the possibility of quite a few other RootsChatters ( I could name a few), who may be your family as well.

Are you in the UK? Would love your email address, but this won't be possibly as per RC rules, until you have posted 3x, then we can Personal Message you, and you us. 8)

Yes, I'm aware of some of the inaccuracies and can hardly wait to exchange info. ::)

PLEASE, can you here and now, try and answer the one big mystery,........what happened to Sir Robert's youngest brother Richard, after he left Scotland, as bank clerk, maybe roundabout 1896? ???

Cheers

Danchaslyn

:)

Title: Re: Grace AITKEN, nee Tennant, Edinburgh
Post by: Danchaslyn on Tuesday 30 June 09 13:45 BST (UK)

:)

Oh yes, Robert, in my excitement, forgot to say, good luck with your op!!! ;)

Also, would love photos of Sir Robert, who was my Great Uncle. His mother, Grace, obviously being my Great Grandmother, perhaps you could post them here until we can exchange addresses? ???

I think I can guess who your parents are!! ;D

Cheers

Danchaslyn

:)

Title: Re: Grace AITKEN, nee Tennant, Edinburgh
Post by: Danchaslyn on Tuesday 30 June 09 18:08 BST (UK)

:)

Per very kind courtesy of "Weech":

Dame Caroline Mary Sophia Aitken, d. 13 February, 1937 in Belgium,
at St Andrews Hotel, Le Zoute Knocke-sur-Mer.

She was formerly of 28 Oakwood Court, Kensington, Country of London.
"Mamakaz", thank you, I remember you finding this address.

She was survived by her two children, John Ellis Aitken and Margery Grace
Bleck, nee Aitken.

Cheers

Danchaslyn

:)

Title: Re: Grace AITKEN, nee Tennant, Edinburgh
Post by: weech on Tuesday 30 June 09 18:43 BST (UK)

Caroline Aitken was a sister of Ellen Anne Lobb who was my paternal grandmother. So far my researches indicate that Caroline, your grandmother, was one of nine siblings being children of Theophilus Lobb and Sophia Virginia Gordon. I'm not sure how many survived into adulthood but the eldest was Ellis William Theophilus Lobb, born india 1868, died New York 1958. The youngest that I have found was Markland Barnett Lobb born 1888, died Glasgow 1942. I have photographs of Sophia, aged about 80, and a photograph from the Times of India of Marjorie, Robert & Caroline's daughter, at her wedding in Bombay. I also have invitations addressed to another sister, Lillian, to the weddings of Edmunds Lobb's daughters in 1921 and 1925.
Weech

Title: Re: Grace AITKEN, nee Tennant, Edinburgh
Post by: baitken on Tuesday 30 June 09 19:21 BST (UK)

Oh this is wonderful news, to know someone is out there.
Not so good for Danchaslyn though as Richard is one of my lost ones, as is Thomas.
We lost then by the 1891 census.

Yes I am in the UK, South Coast, and happily retired.

Robert & Richard both started off life as banker's clerks in the Royal Bank of Scotland in West Linton. Robert was in india by 1885, but we found no sightings of Richard.

Photos, yes. Just give me a while to get them sorted.

There were three children of Robert's marriage to Carry. More details later.

I have the complete Lobb history as far as it concerns us, and more, as I had a lot of correspondence with Douglas Lobb, [20,000 Lobbs around the world] before he died.

I am so excited with our contacts. Thank you all. And thanks too for the good wishes.

Bob

Title: Re: Grace AITKEN, nee Tennant, Edinburgh
Post by: weech on Tuesday 30 June 09 20:48 BST (UK)

Bob

Good wishes from me also for your forthcoming op. My family returned to England in 1948 to Bedford and were there until my mother died in 2000. I think from reading the various Aitken sights on Roots that your father settled in Huntingdon, not far away.

Weech

Title: Re: Grace AITKEN, nee Tennant, Edinburgh
Post by: Danchaslyn on Wednesday 01 July 09 00:31 BST (UK)

:)

Hello Baitken

Great to hear from you again and to know that you to are in the UK......one more post and you will be able to Personal Message both Weech and myself with your whereabouts! :D

My surprise for you, is that Thomas is my Grandfather and I have quite a bit on him. Try looking up for my threads in South Africa section of RC, also in Emigrants and Immigrants and you will find quite alot in RC, Scotland, Peebles-Shire as well. (There are more!!). ;)

Richard, I think, went either to South Africa, or the USA/Canada, (we have American cousins!), but, I also think he may have died in South Africa, during the 1917 'flu pandemic, but can find no records for him anywhere! >:

I think one of Robert & Caroline's sons died as a child?

Wonderful for "Weech" that you have so much on the Lobb Family! ;D

Me to, so excited! ;D ;D ;D

Cheers

Danchaslyn

:)

Title: Re: Grace AITKEN, nee Tennant, Edinburgh
Post by: baitken on Wednesday 01 July 09 19:00 BST (UK)

Hi all,

First two photos for you. Granny Aitken is date unknown, but probably early thirties.

I'll have to investigate this business of personal messages, as you indicate I am now eligable.

More soon, Bob

Title: Re: Grace AITKEN, nee Tennant, Edinburgh
Post by: Danchaslyn on Wednesday 01 July 09 19:13 BST (UK)

:)

Hello Robert

Wow!! Thank you so much, I never in my wildest dreams imagined I would actually get to see what Robert & Carry looked like! ;D thank you SO much!

Having a good day actually, as have had further news on Thomas Aitken, please view in RC, South African section, under my thread, Baptist Church Archives?

Also, to go into Personal Messages, go to top of RootsChat page and next to your baitken name, click on the messages, then click on new message and so on. I'll try to PM you now, so let me know if you get it ok, please?

Longing to know, how many siblings have you?

Cheers

Danchaslyn

:)

Title: Re: Grace AITKEN, nee Tennant, Edinburgh
Post by: Danchaslyn on Wednesday 01 July 09 19:23 BST (UK)

:)

Hello Robert

Ok, I've sent you a Personal Message in RootsChat, so let's hope you receive it alright?

I'm so curious, please tell me, when your parents finally returned to the UK, from India, to settle permanently, did they head for Scotland, as one of the shipping records depicted?

Or settle, possibly near your mother's family home in St Ives?

Or elsewhere perhaps?

Cheers

Danchaslyn

:)

Title: Re: Grace AITKEN, nee Tennant, Edinburgh
Post by: weech on Thursday 02 July 09 08:53 BST (UK)

Bob
Thanks so much for the photo's. They've come out very well. I haven't yet worked out how to post photo's but my wife tells me she thinks she knows how to do it so hopefully will post some shortly. I will try to leave a personal message for you.

Weech

Title: Re: Grace AITKEN, nee Tennant, Edinburgh
Post by: Danchaslyn on Thursday 02 July 09 13:01 BST (UK)

:)

Hello

Robert, I do hope you will get a chance to post very soon some of the answers to my desperately curious questions? ;)

Wonder which is the oldest photo you have in your collection? Would it be to much to hope that you may have a pic of Grace Aitken, nee Tennant, which you could post here?! :o

Thank you so much for your PM and email. ;D

Weech, looking forward to your posted pics soon............. :D

Cheers

Danchaslyn

:)

Title: Re: Grace AITKEN, nee Tennant, Edinburgh
Post by: Huntersjoy on Thursday 02 July 09 13:25 BST (UK)

Hello Baitken / Robert,
Would you have an Elisabeth Aitken who married, John Davie, Bookbinder, 10th September 1797, Glasgow Lanark, Scotland. I have found her name is spelt with a "z" (Elizabeth) by other researchers. On their marraige records its spelt with an "S" It would be lovely to find who my Elisabeth Aitken belongs to.
John & Elisabeth are my first Davie Grandparents in my Ancestry. Heres hoping we are linked.
I wish you all the very best for your up & comming operation.
Phyllis :) :D

Title: Re: Grace AITKEN, nee Tennant, Edinburgh
Post by: Danchaslyn on Thursday 02 July 09 13:30 BST (UK)

:)

Hello Huntersjoy

Wishing you the very best of luck in that "Baitken" hopefully will know who you are looking for........................ ;)

Cheers ;D

Danchaslyn

:)

Title: Re: Grace AITKEN, nee Tennant, Edinburgh
Post by: Huntersjoy on Thursday 02 July 09 13:38 BST (UK)

Hello again, Baitken & Danshaslyn,
What lovely photos, two beautiful people. You have been lucky Danshalyn.I can just imagine you jumping up & down with excitement. Welcome Baitken, Good luck to both of you with your research. Heres hoping I may get some help with my Elisabeth, She is out there some where.
Cheers Phyllis. :) :-*

Title: Re: Grace AITKEN, nee Tennant, Edinburgh
Post by: baitken on Sunday 05 July 09 13:00 BST (UK)

Hi Huntersjoy & Danchaslyn,

Sorry I have been out of touch for a while, but I've had a couple of bad days. Happens every so often, and all I can do is lie down till I get my breath back!! Hope to have it all sorted in about a month or so, fingers crossed.

I'm still trying to get my head round all this new info, and I think I'll start by setting out our Aitken tree as I know it. This at least will be a basis from which to work.

Answers. Sorry Huntersjoy, your Elizabeth doesn't come into my lot. Keep looking.
Danchaslyn. Photos, the oldest you have seen, at least of the Aitkens. I have older ones of the Kiddles, but thay are not appropriate at the moment. I have one sister, 5 years younger than me.

I see a lot of comment on GRACE TENNANT. Let me tell you what I know. Her father was ROBERT TENNANT and her mother MARGARET RIDDELL, although they were never married. Confimation details if you want them. Robert's mother was GRACE SANDERSON, which also fits well.

In the 1841 census of West Linton there is also a record of a GRACE TENNANT, b.1811, aged 30 years of independant means,, which fits in very well with known info. She also has three children, John (9), Elizabeth (7), and Margaret (5), but I don't know where they came from!!

Lastly for the moment, some info about ELIZABETH AITKEN, sister to SIR ROBERT. She lived with John & Grace as their draper's assistant in West Linton. Young JOHN AITKEN, b 1896, was left with them to go to school at West Linton. When young John left school there in 1906 he went to Merchiston Castle School in Edinburgh. The family also moved up there, 13 Merchiston Crescent, until Grace died on 16 Oct 1910, when Old John and Elizabeth moved to 23 Findhorn Place where she was the dutiful daughter.

Old John died 13 March 1913 and Elizabeth moved to 3 Falcon Gardens. John joined the army in 1914 (Sappers & Miners) and always went home on leave to Aunt Liz. He was demobbed in 1920 and went out to India to start his career in the Bank.

Elizabeth was now free for the first time in her life! On 10 Sept 1920, at the age of 55, she set sail for Canada on the Corsican to be a Housekeeper. No further details yet. She came home on holiday to St.Ives (no other family) in 1927, and returned 0n 1 June 1927 to Canada on the Athenia to Owen Sound, Ontario.

She returned again in the Summer of 1932, and I remember her visit well. My impression is of a rather tall and dour Scottish lady who had a liking for tweeds and a penchant for cloche hats, which didn't do much for her!! Heart of gold.

She went back on 24 Sept 1932 to live at Moose Jaw, Saskatchewan, and died 19 Dec 1943 at Medicine Hat, Alberta, and was interred in Maple Leaf Cemetry.

Hope this is of interest and not too much at one go. I do have some photos when I can look them out. More later.

All the best, Bob

Title: Re: Grace AITKEN, nee Tennant, Edinburgh
Post by: Danchaslyn on Sunday 05 July 09 15:59 BST (UK)

:)

Well, Bob, thank you, all that you have posted to-day is so interesting! :D

I'm so sorry that you have not been well again, hang in there, you'll soon be better after your 'procedure', then "weech" and ourselves and any other RC's Aitken connections can all get together and celebrate! ;)

Firstly, so glad you told so much of "Aunt Izzy", as my late mother used to call Elizabeth Aitken! ;D

She to, said that she was a very prim and proper, dour, Scottish lady and that the poor woman had been used her whole life, by her family as the archtypical spinster daughter in the household, to take care of the parents etc etc. >:(

So, it would seem, that even when she went to Canada, she still worked in the same capacity! :-\

I've been trying to remember, do you know if she ever went out to South Africa to visit her brother Thomas and her nieces and nephews there, or are my mother's impression of her, gained during my mother's many visits during the years to the UK? ???

Cheers

Danchaslyn

:)

Title: Re: Grace AITKEN, nee Tennant, Edinburgh
Post by: Danchaslyn on Tuesday 14 July 09 00:32 BST (UK)

Quote from: saxonw. on Friday 24 April 09 21:19 BST (UK)

Richard Aitken is on the Ethiopia leaving Glasgow on the 8th April 1891 for New York more to follow.

Hello SaxonW

I've 'lost' my Richard Aitken, born 12 May, 1874 at West Linton, Peebleshire, Scotland (youngest son of Grace Aitken, nee Tennant).

Please will you confirm for me, that the Richard Aitken you mentioned above, is the Richard Aitken of West Linton? ???

That is, he obviously would have been almost 20 years old, on this trip of the Ethiopia?

Cheers

Danchaslyn

:)

Title: Re: Grace AITKEN, nee Tennant, Edinburgh
Post by: Danchaslyn on Friday 17 July 09 01:21 BST (UK)

:)

Per kind courtesy of baitken:

Sir Robert returned to London on 28 October, 1921 on the "Naldeera", he retired in 1923.

He returned to India, to attend the wedding of one of his sons, John Ellis Aitken, to Norah Kiddle, on 22 November, 1923.

He returned to London, where he died on 18 April, 1924.

Cheers

Danchaslyn

Title: Re: Grace AITKEN, nee Tennant, Edinburgh
Post by: Danchaslyn on Sunday 26 July 09 12:08 BST (UK)

:)

Per kind courtesy of baitken:

Third child of Robert & Caroline Aitken, grandson of John & Grace Aitken...

Robert Gordon Aitken, b. 9 August, 1899, West Linton

m. 1. Margaret Carfrae 19 April, 1923

2. Irmintraude Adelheide Deutscher 2 July 1937

3. Margaret Turnbull Kyle Stoddart 23 October, 1948

All Edinburgh

Robert Gordon Aitken died 14 September 1953 (he took his own life)

Edinburgh

No known children

Cheers

Danchaslyn

Title: Re: Grace AITKEN, nee Tennant, Edinburgh
Post by: Danchaslyn on Wednesday 05 August 09 15:07 BST (UK)

Quote from: Danchaslyn on Tuesday 14 July 09 00:32 BST (UK)

Quote from: saxonw. on Friday 24 April 09 21:19 BST (UK)
Richard Aitken is on the Ethiopia leaving Glasgow on the 8th April 1891 for New York more to follow.

Hello SaxonW

I've 'lost' my Richard Aitken, born 12 May, 1874 at West Linton, Peebleshire, Scotland (youngest son of Grace Aitken, nee Tennant).

Please will you confirm for me, that the Richard Aitken you mentioned above, is the Richard Aitken of West Linton? ???

That is, he obviously would have been almost 20 years old, on this trip of the Ethiopia?

Cheers

Danchaslyn

:)

RICHARD AITKEN, known as Dick Aitken, it has been confirmed, emigrated to Johannesbugh, South Africa, sometime between 1891-1901.

Would welcome help please witha a shipping passenger list lookup please as to when he left the UK, and how, for South Africa?

Cheers

Danchaslyn

:)

Title: Re: Grace AITKEN, nee Tennant, Edinburgh
Post by: ThornC on Monday 29 March 21 16:08 BST (UK)

Hello,

I am late joining this discussion, and hope that the contributors are still active in RootsChat. The information shared here has shown me a lot about my family.

John Aitken (b. 1861) is my great-grandfather. From my research, he arrived in the US April 1885, married Mary Doherty in 1866 and settled in the Bronx NY. John was a carpenter. Between 1887 and 1904 they had 6 children (John, Robert, Grace, Thomas, George and finally in 1904 my maternal grandmother Elizabeth). He died in December 1925 and is buried in Woodlawn Cemetery in the Bronx along with Mary who passed in 1944.

If I can be of any assistance looking up info on the NY Aitkens, I'd be happy to do so.

Regarding my 2nd great grandfather John Aitken (b.1826), this discussion has shown he had 2 children with Janet Bain, who then died in childbirth in 1857 with their third child John who also died at birth. Then John has 3 children with Grace Tennant (John, Robert and Elizabeth) before marrying her in 1867. This seems odd.. Does anyone have details around this period? After they are married they have Thomas and Richard.

Grace Tennant seems a mystery. Considering the full history of the Tennant/Sanderson families (I have crossed Ancestry trees detailing those families back hundreds of years), I find so little information about Grace's early life. Any insights into my 2nd great grandmother would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you all again for sharing your knowledge of the Aitken clan.

Thom C

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